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-- simmons' lawyer Mark O'Meara talking to -- for almost three hours.
-- -- -- -- of bizarre case it didn't in my practice because sometimes these things to -- upside down to me.
-- station -- purchases perspective that I had this case.
How many could do his heavy burden from the state.
Really want us have you heard from state in this case.
A little I don't think anybody can get to ask you that stuff.
Let's talk about my burden to prove to -- beyond a reasonable doubt of his innocence.
At the risk of confusing you're going to request that you know allow me to -- -- to the standards.
But I wanted to show you what.
The editors has shown.
Absolutely the only question beyond a reasonable doubt innocence.
How did America do I announce our legal panel in Washington very -- have Cisco Jim Hammer.
And here in Sanford Florida Ted Williams and Diana tennis.
Kevin I am almost done I think if I was a stroke -- -- defense lawyer whatever the defense lawyers say.
Let's talk about my burden to prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt his innocence I don't think gonna win the trial or not but shifting the burden and -- -- to prove innocence.
I -- fellow remind you that you.
The army and -- -- every every law yet -- -- far ahead that's very kind of ball response Greta.
I was in -- courtroom as you know that was 200 -- -- different at all.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I -- -- I think he was very laid back.
He even went a little bit let me code for boring and not Brian is sure to catch I don't feel as I'm -- -- that they're doing well.
Don't look -- very good -- more -- not I think he's.
-- joy and dies I believe he knocked it out of Milwaukee and what he did.
Was he cannot be used an -- child.
Vs grown man and a reason it was there was a job because you've got -- -- don't victory and you -- out most of the -- got a lot because it was amazing.
-- -- get back to this point about the justice center colonel Graham loved period defense.
Talk about his burden of approved approved innocents at the letter reminded -- let me reminding viewers.
The defense never has to prove anything it's -- prosecution's burden from the get go -- your thought on that.
I mean Greta you raise this point two weeks ago which is that the jury goes back it would have been my argument if I'm representing Zimmerman and then I'm not being critical of -- -- He he's he's a very good lord this really shock me.
You say to the jury if you don't know what happen if you're confused then that is a reasonable doubt.
Jury instructions can be very confusing for jurors but all of a sudden in the midst of all this you're gonna say let me show you how -- prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Did he acted in self defense.
It it's yes the bizarre case you just made the bizarre case by assuming this in -- and the statements dissent.
-- -- -- that great somebody else got to prove something we can't -- it.
Diane I look I don't agree at all Mark O'Meara is known in this town as being this -- of closing arguments I thought it was a brilliant.
Because here's what he won in -- he went inferior -- a compromise verdict.
Of manslaughter here's what he is created.
Not guilty is now the compromise verdict he has told them we have taken -- -- on not guilty.
You don't need to feel bad about coming back not guilty and in fact I'm inviting you if you want to send a message.
He had -- -- an innocent and the bottom of that verdict form here we feel real strongly on the.
I was brilliant puts it puts a defense we're on offense to choose to satisfy of the burden that he doesn't have a and Gary now why is yet that he came so much closer to satisfy that burden with fast and -- -- And I doubt that a little bit I don't know if so can anybody distraught he he want to say that this that this any confusion the defense wins a -- because the prosecution has the burden of proof these -- except for the one I have I I.
Thank you made that very very very -- if it innings it is set to go back and talk about self defense first.
If you have a reasonable doubt about self defense we win they have to disparate beyond -- Rihanna I thought -- great job -- Well what -- of personal -- it's a huge mistake period in the Peterson trial which which I covered and we all talked about you know almost ten years ago now.
The defense in that case if you recall said we're gonna prove to you.
Who the real killer's -- didn't work out so well in that in that case it's it's a terrible idea for the defense kind of found myself.
But they did I'd it was a different case for him to say that was a mistake in that case as well.
What what America's doing I think it is right is.
He lost the fight of the jury instructions -- the jury's gonna get this chance -- manslaughter and he is deathly afraid of -- said he's greater burden to place a huge mistake.
I think the prosecution was effective in -- and a young.
Boy young man is dead if they connect with the victim in this case they -- want to find this guy guilty of something I think.
I -- what -- -- I think America did really well that it is dramatic pause she stopped talking.
Before minutes trying to convince a jury that -- about Barnes had time to run home instead of sticking around -- confronting Zimmerman here it is.
-- To do what.
Two former home.
Forward tomorrow is appropriate -- I was like twelve.
Figures -- teens.
Don't look at football.
-- it was defensive gun compulsive but I do know.
The -- hero tomorrow about four minutes of your distance.
So we know.
That with the opportunity to go home that you did not four minutes.
Is not the amount of time.
The -- on Martin.
-- -- -- -- -- Bernie you know if the jury and police it was -- -- -- the time that came from Barnes said that he was going to he's on the telephone.
And it's time of this the first gunshot -- formative period -- -- time to run home that's for some reason feared those runs home.
Someone who's not fear an -- sticks around I thought that was a very effective point.
It's very good you gotta watch metaphors of the jury because he said quote unquote.
Somebody in pretty good shape can run a four minute mile I mean -- in great shape.
And I yeah I've I've never even gotten close to that -- -- and the guy he was looking for you should know this stuff you can do is Roger Bannister.
Putting all that side -- more confusion -- it's a very long time -- especially in this day and age.
Where you have ipads and iphones and blackberries you can get information just in -- -- just like that.
Four minutes is a long time and what happened during that -- -- but he did that have very convincing job up.
Then -- have a Trey brought Martin didn't have to Iran are damn place there is best players showed that he was the aggressor and don't you know.
-- -- I'm proud that he he's not there to test by train on -- are you happy news you have to use evidence circumstantial evidence from the outside try to figure it out.
And if someone's -- someone was -- -- you've not been with me that was only about 3030 yard shots that's free -- and -- if you're gonna stick around because you wanna have take John's someone.
His stick around predictable and assumption not I don't -- -- -- it -- you know.
Home but that doesn't mean that -- -- had to run -- I'm.
I don't see -- but if you're looking for reasonable -- is that to me is a more.
Is as a -- likely reasonable inference that it's not a difference of four minutes that he didn't go home I mean -- bit -- in the -- is what he was doing.
The thing is the state all they have as the angels and demons.
I'm good vs evil light and dark.
Dichotomy which has no factual basis on either side I think the defense is good -- doing a great job of saying you know what you don't know anything about either of these people.
I'm just saying that there's four minutes that he could have been -- and -- the same way that you think that this I was hunting there's really no evidence of evil well.
Evil list on either side but at some point.
Only one of them got physically hurt before the gunshot know what you're gonna do what I was at that point by the prosecution's count Zimmerman is making lie after -- estate.
The police who say just looking for addresses what effect the evidence suggesting that actually -- following him you've got injuries what's the prosecution argues don't match his story he got -- in need of medical examiner saying.
This is inconsistent with the battling on the content there's a lot of that is no more than a -- bars or not because I want to have no way for Steve -- totally loses totally loses the prosecution case.
Thanks to fill a lot undermines your version that's the product may have threw a perfect no but didn't get here here's the jury had a lot of your credibility.
The jury did not you're right -- have to make a step though why did he lie if they found -- life.
It's because he had to make up a self defense claim that didn't keep the prosecution's case I pretty indigent I said it undermining your pet holiday.
Okay thank you -- and not used to the agreement have.
-- and heartbreak shock.
And I wish our -- prosecutor I'm -- -- -- -- -- -- I -- out O'Meara explaining some remains message to his wife right after the shooting.
Jobs that don't -- gets it and says.
What's -- if that doesn't -- bonus you.
And what's the response.
From towards him.
Told his wife she wasn't there one shot.
And usual inappropriate.
-- also considers.
It's involving car accident what's your first response that you look at.
You need to say anything other person OK I just consistently.
Yeah can I thought you know that was good missed opportunity yesterday that photo and don't go after the prosecutor as intentionally mislead the jury and undermine the prosecutors across -- our agent -- -- -- this sort of slams response that I got.
Greta I'm missing grad and domestic yellow -- out what.
These lawyers should be lucky to that your not armed with a teaser -- being -- he would have shot every lawyer and the judge in that courtroom when they screw up they don't object they let people listed the evidence.
It's a huge -- subject and that's why you and I were right yesterday.
Right would it happen.
They should -- stood up did it embarrass the prosecutor that option is lost in this case.
And I wasn't wanting -- of all of them across the defense and the -- lot easier for me to sit on the sidelines and but I have to be up there on it because I haven't been there -- I -- and and are now we're never really know.
That voice of screaming for help -- and I don't want -- -- here is how George Simmons lawyer explains it.
I guess we're not sitting here -- George Zimmermann so let me ask about that videotape that reenactment.
I actually do have a -- that's it.
I found out there was not more -- risk premium on the it was came over and figure out what is.
It -- -- did -- get this to whoever.
FBR let's say.
-- no comparison I didn't and we're done.
You've heard from -- necessarily unfortunately he didn't couldn't be done.
So now we don't.
Now as this go around suggested now you do get to decide yes.
Or no wrong course or not you just simply get to decide if you can't decide.
And then he gets the benefit.
This -- him.
-- strong point the defense that they can't decide you know what they added Julie my mother's -- thought you know relatives if you've got it and and the benefit of -- -- It -- sort of -- unless of course some might say sarcastically you decide that the defense as a burden of proof.
We're glad I have yeah.
Heroin and yeah they don't I don't -- -- and I don't know why didn't wanna you undertake that burden.
You know the only thing I would say about that if I thought the defense pretty definitively prove his voice that was I was a little surprise that they didn't own that more firmly.
I -- I don't know how you compare those two.
-- -- -- you know like the other -- you know obvious it was George you know I don't think you do this because I don't think because you've got seen as the deceased mother in the courtroom is so convinced that that's your son's voice.
Is that if you do opponent you're basically saying should know our own son's voice so it's better to sort of injected so and it's polite about it technically is descended the jury would have.
Appreciate it more -- Yeah I mean the -- The defense had openings here that you could just drive it structure I was waiting for today today -- -- disadvantage of all my clients who you know pay me and I pay my mortgage.
Waiting for this to happen which is and yesterday he said.
In that Zimmerman said he just killed somebody absolutely.
False and any closing its very critical that you still have the jury's.
I trust and credibility and then today it's just -- mean a great it was my client's voice there's really no speculation about a -- of course.
There's a different.
Sort of thing going on a jury room which is guilty not guilty and then someone says.
-- what he -- check the box it is it has to prove his innocence yet I mean I'm never gonna shut up about that.
Blood and -- placed you are right I mean they re very heavy activity.
You have different second I was at last we weren't talk about.