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-- over immigration in the senate spent months working on and then passing a bipartisan reform package.
But this -- house Republicans made it clear they plan to deal with immigration on their own terms.
Joining us now Republican congressman Steve king of Iowa who calls the senate plan amnesty.
And a New York congressman Steve Israel -- of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Charged with winning back the house in the GOP and twenty -- -- -- before we get -- immigration.
I want to ask you both to weigh in on today's big story of course the not guilty verdict in the -- on Martin case.
Local authorities originally decided not to prosecute.
-- on -- then civil rights groups even the president's stepped into the case.
And the decision was made to try him.
Congressman -- let me start with you should Jordan Zimmermann.
Ever have been prosecuted.
Well from what I've seen any evidence I would say no.
And -- -- my sympathy goes out also to the Martin family and the Zimmermann family for this ordeal that they've been through.
The evidence didn't support prosecution.
And of the Justice Department engaged in this the president engaged in this and turned it into a political issue that should have been handled exclusively with.
With the law and order so I regret that this all happened I'm sorry that was turned into a race issue by the media.
And it otherwise it would have been tried or not -- that -- -- on them on the laws in the language that was there this is unfortunate.
Let me bring you into -- congressman Israel as we mentioned President Obama weighed in on this take a look.
My main messages -- to the parents -- on Martin.
-- -- -- Sonny looked like driven.
Congressman Israel was this case more about politics and race than it was about seeking justice and -- how do you feel about the idea of the NAACP.
Has suggested that the Department of Justice should now consider civil rights charges against -- -- Well mr.
Zimmerman had the right to a trial by jury the NAACP and others have the right to pursue their interest -- in terms of civil rights.
No matter where you stand this was a tragedy it's a tragedy for a young man who was killed.
It's a tragedy for a young man who killed and we'll carry that around with him for the rest of his life.
It's an American tragedy and what we need to do is come together as a nation of laws of courts -- of civil rights.
All right gentlemen let's turn to what we brought here to talk about today and that's immigration.
After house Republicans.
Met this week speaker Boehner is that he is not even gonna bring the senate bill up for a vote.
He wants to deal -- this and bite size chunks and on and the enforcement issue only not -- -- legalization until the border is secure.
Congressman king you say it's a mistake for the Republicans in the house to even do that why.
First it's mistake.
For Republicans to believe the election was about immigration.
I don't remember a debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on immigration I remember waking up the morning in the seventh and November after the election.
And then hearing.
Immigration was a reason that Mitt Romney wasn't president elect on that day.
This has been driven by open borders advocates who have been doing this for -- long time -- -- an -- but let me pick up on this why not even.
Do border enforcement which is what house Republicans are talking about do.
There's nothing we can do to pass a law to force the president to enforce a law he doesn't like.
Which is why he's proven it over and over again we've taken him to court on the Morton memos issue we voted on that -- -- congress and my amendment here a few weeks ago.
The president's not going to enforce a law.
Harry Reid is not going to take a border enforcement.
They want this for a political issue this is a big boon for Democrats whether Republicans.
And whether Republicans.
Are willing to go along with this or not if we pass something.
They're still gonna get the credit -- -- in the White House the president to sign a bill.
They're gonna continue to use this for political reasons that set the base of this and some Republicans have been into this thinking we have to take it off the table by passing amnesty.
Congressman Israel as you just heard from from Steve King.
President Obama in a sense gave Republicans a new talking point this week -- their opposition.
Ten immigration reform when he announced that he is not going to enforce the employer mandate -- Obama care.
For a year let's take a look at what house majority leader Eric Cantor had to say this way.
If the president can selectively enforce a provision.
Under obamacare was to say that he can't selectively enforce or not enforce a provisional border security and immigration package.
We should point out that article two section three of the US constitution -- as the president shall take care.
That the laws be faithfully executed -- the health -- loss -- that the mandate -- began after December 31.
23 case of congressman Israel let me -- that in a fact -- question that -- and -- If the president selectively enforces Obama care.
Let's just say he wasn't selectively enforce.
A comprehensive immigration reform -- -- go ahead with legalization but not enforce the border -- Well look we should not use this as yet another excuse to obstruct the majority of the American people who support comprehensive immigration reform.
68 senators who support comprehensive immigration reform.
President George Bush and president Barack Obama who supported on the issue of enforcement let's get away from the sound bites.
And understand fact under this president.
Deportations are at an all time high border crossings -- all time low the senate bill.
Which is the product of bipartisanship and which I hope the house Republicans will allow us to vote upon.
Provides forty billion dollars for new border enforcement.
Doubles the number of Border Patrol agents Senator McCain who supports this bill I believe said this -- would -- this would be the most militarized border since the Berlin Wall.
-- 68 senators agree that this is enforceable.
And 87% of the American people want a comprehensive solution and George Bush and a Barack Obama agree to this.
The house Republican majority should not obstruct -- happy.
Said that whenever I mean that I mean certainly there mr.
congressman -- let me just ask you to answer my direct question.
What's decide it would all of this increased forty billion dollars in new enforcement it would be in the law.
But -- the employer mandate was in obamacare wants to say that this president will enforce those new measures which Chris peacock does that he doesn't think are necessary.
If you take a look at at the facts if you take a look at how this administration has forced immigration laws deportation all time high as fanned out across a -- reported -- a lot of these new -- -- so they have they have to enforce isn't what my point is that's.
You're never going to happen perfection in government I mean I agree with that.
But are we gonna continue to preserve the status quo I mean -- is enforcement if you're gonna make the enforcement issue.
Is this immigration system and enforcement really working know it's broken which means we need to solve it and solve -- on a bipartisan basis.
And however the Republican leadership wants us to pursue this process whether it's with one vote on a comprehensive bill.
We're breaking it up into pieces we will work with them to get -- bipartisan.
Comprehensive solutions that strengthens our borders.
And provides a tough but fair path to legalization for those who work.
Here let me bring congressman -- back and you say conservatives who support a path to citizenship and that includes.
But -- dozen Republicans in the senate included Marco Rubio support a path to citizen strip.
Give up their right to be -- conservatives but here's what the conservative editorial page.
Of the Wall Street Journal said about -- -- not.
The -- strategy is to follow that Steve King anti immigration caucus and simply left the senate bill die.
While further militarized in the border the GOP can support a true Conservative.
Or become a party of closed minds and borders.
I suspect this Jason Riley and I have gone around a few times on this and he has been.
I'll say less -- objective with the original sources and so.
I think you can ask him and I'll say that's his language I would I would push the Wall Street Journal's opinion off to the side on this they've been for open borders for a long time.
But I think mr.
Israel knows also the president's not enforcing current immigration law we have taken him to court over the Morton -- And the northern district of Texas with judge read O'Connor has -- to much in the -- here's our side 99 out of ten arguments where there and we have a little bit more to clean up on this.
The president is already refusing to enforce existing immigration law.
He will not enforce a laws that we might pass they won't get past Harry Reid.
He's proven that he's violated his -- oath of office as you said an article two section three to take care that the laws be faithfully execute.
And so it's president's problem this is an executive branch problem not a legislative branch problem we can't fix with the laws of things the president refuses to do.
Congressman Israel if how's.
Republicans -- immigration reform.
I think it's fair to say you is -- mentioned chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee are gonna hammer them as you try to win back the house for Democrats -- 2014 but I -- -- put.
These statistics up on the -- Hispanics make up only 10%.
Of voting age residents in districts that are currently held by Republican congressman.
They make up 41% of voting -- presidents and democratic districts.
So as a political matter don't Steve king and congressional Republicans may face a much bigger political rat.
For voting for immigration reform and risking a conservative backlash and primaries than they do from voting against it.
Well Chris I think the American people have had it with calculations based on what's good for one party and what's bad for the other party we need to solve this problem.
They did it in the senate.
As 68 senators from the right John McCain Marco Rubio to the left Elizabeth Warren.
If they could put a solution ahead of partisanship progress ahead of partisanship.
We should do -- in the House of Representatives as well if the House of Representatives refuses to solve this problem and preserves the status quo of a broken system.
Yes we will hold them accountable for defining and President Bush President Obama.
68 senators and 87%.
Of the American people who want the ideology to be dispensed with and want to solve this problem on a bipartisan.
When I'm -- I want in Iraq and I've got two minutes left them and ask you about one final question does it was -- mother.
Big news this week and that is that the house passed a farm bill but for the first time.
-- -- just the farm subsidy aspect of it and they stripped out all funding for food stamps.
Congressman -- the problem of course is that the senate the president -- never gonna go along with that.
And don't house Republicans run the risk of once again being seen as being insensitive to the needs of the -- Well I think that that was characterized by the Congressional Black Caucus and Hispanic caucus on Thursday.
In the wrong and -- wrong fashion.
I oppose splitting them because it takes out of our hands the ability to reform this -- program the food stamp program.
And it goes into a perpetual motion.
Mandatory spending type of a situation.
So I think they characterize -- wrong I went over and told them -- I'm opposed to doing this.
Because I want to reform it and they want an unlimited food stamps I think the truth will emerge here and in the end I wish we had separated them I think it was a bad tactic is of politicized.
The farm bill for the first time in a long long time.
Less than a minute left congressman Israel.
The cost of the food stamp program has doubled since 2000 -- let's put it up on the good back in 200840.
Billion dollars a year being spent on food stamps.
Last year eighty billion dollars being spent on food -- Steve King is talking about cutting twenty billion dollars out of an 800 billion dollar budget for food stamps over the next ten years twenty million out of 800 billion.
Is that really so drastic.
Well the cost of the the price supports in the agricultural subsidies has gone up that look we have always had a bipartisan understanding.
That if we can find the resources to support the growing of food we ought to find the resources to support the eating of food for people who were down on their luck.
I got a 100000 constituents on Long Island who rely on that assistance.
And we always had a bipartisan accord for the first time since 1970s.
Again we have injected partisanship and ideology.
Strip that out.
It's not a matter of the Congressional Black Caucus of the congressional Hispanic caucus Steve.
Virtually every major form organization.
Opposed to breaking this -- part because it's bad policy.
And that is injected partisanship and ideology again into a dysfunctional chaotic congress.
Don't know gonna have to leave their congressman Israel congressman king thank you both thanks for joining us and we'll stay on top of all -- story for -- thanks for having us Steve.
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