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I'm Alan -- was a huge story in new York and and actually about 29 years ago in 1984 Bernhard -- -- for black teenagers at a downtown number two subway train -- you could say he stood his ground against Mary -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And before bush surrounded -- and after one of them asked him for five dollars and -- his unlicensed gun.
And that's what he could be convicted just of criminal possession of a lethal weapon since it just six months and jailed as result.
Bernie -- event are okay.
Are you surprised that -- I guess you're not -- getting some attention now based on these comparisons right -- You know not -- do you object to -- every inning comes up which preceded by the words subway gunman.
-- not a not at all I think what I object to is imprecise.
At the beginning not -- -- to -- so that was shot I shot for our.
Black teenagers yes why not just say I shot four -- So you refer to them is for bullet.
But sometimes referred to.
This straight on and executed.
You know pictures of him as a kid the -- -- the media.
Some of summit meeting would call them kids they gave him the impression that they get a lot of readers the impression it's that they wouldn't printer agents I think the -- pictures just like in -- -- case.
Three of the isolation order -- and mid nineteen and one had just turned eighteen.
Right there seems.
Important do you use a -- important I think I shot debatable.
Well I mean I've I didn't say a little boys but they were teenagers or young man they were young man they were teenage girls and they were not.
They were -- or if there were not a voting age they were not even remotely you know so -- they -- like three or nineteen I won't be after the -- well at eighteen but -- -- -- it's offensive on the stayed actually -- it depends upon the year.
Well what about the work towards -- because a number of people think used to and it.
Is still this was deliberate on your part it's just.
It's just people get.
A mindset -- tend to use.
-- -- they tend to use the same language that they heard in the media I believe there's a lot of medium manipulation.
But it was awful media manipulation in my case.
-- we didn't have the Internet -- and now have the Internet potentially to ten media.
More -- -- people who really count in terms of the year opinions -- the people who use the Internet play.
And I don't fit -- -- Internet users fan myself out of under a -- people more honest if -- give people more options in terms of what they regard.
Oh absolutely keeps it keeps -- media more on the media no longer has the power to.
-- reality they can present the troops back in my day.
Had a monopoly monopoly on getting information.
Out on the Internet is a meet the media has expanded its -- -- -- or.
But to put -- -- if anyone can put stuff on the on the Internet and it can be checked out for example in the government's case.
And by the way -- am not pro or instrument and I think most people most of America doesn't care so much.
-- -- that New York in the cities they pretend -- -- you know the put the people here or.
Just people out of America's cities -- just don't like you you put the mayoral candidates were just making a bunch of times statements and and I think most people don't care -- America.
Because in that incident.
There's a question of whether or not Zimmerman was a good tire -- -- -- But it's pretty clear that trade bond was a bit kind and -- a big guy gets shot most people who care doesn't matter.
When you when you say it's pretty clear trip I was a bad guy uses that you're -- courting the media.
Now now now he -- he was it's -- was clearly beating the crap better temperament.
What effect that -- -- yeah I nobody can knows what's at a person's mind when there's governments to -- -- -- not.
He's saving the crap out of them but we none of that Meeks and the bad guy based on what the interaction between them wasn't whether or not Fremont.
Felt threatened by -- guy was Jason.
He's come on broken nose -- is -- mobile I think it's possible Zimmerman should come up again I don't.
Zimmerman was advised by the cops to staying by nine -- want to stay in the car he didn't he know -- went after restraint on.
After he'd left the car.
I believe the cops said we don't need you to do to interpreted 9/11 personal corporate answered -- that we don't need to do.
And he listens to -- -- to be alive today.
Polish government had never been -- trade on wouldn't be like well -- not exactly the same -- at this trade on it straight on.
People -- a little bit more from this panel straight on what its utility was being followed if he went straight to -- -- you know he would he be allowed.
The point until I looked the part but it wouldn't couldn't you say though that the actions of Zimmerman -- restrain himself more.
Might not have resulted in the deaths of -- on -- know whether -- finally.
Saying -- most people don't care.
And for example.
If let's say my case for guys.
Our -- robbing somebody mugging somebody doing whatever -- Four -- -- few guys.
-- -- To rob the good guy or something like that nobody can complain at all about their conduct fine if you get the crap beaten out if you put on -- and you're obviously not a -- -- suppose a couple guys try to robber beat up the bad guy and he -- some.
Okay there's a lot of saying that's what I'm saying -- there was at least one B a person there that night it was straight on there might have been killed more.
Morally -- -- actually say what well at least one bad guy but there might have been too bad guys or maybe even when nobody had guys -- -- Not wish someone is beating the crap out of somebody as far as I'm concerned they can shoot -- if you try to beat up.
Good time or.
I had the -- -- didn't came on was not owned.
Well wait a second how did he get those injuries the prosecutor would -- -- That that -- bond was up on top under a -- -- -- BD rom and or an.
And -- but he really was on top of an under.
Zimmerman many was -- And he was screaming for forty seconds he was screaming for help but he was beating Zimmerman and running away.
That's what the prosecutor would -- Right and there was another side of -- stories all the quick as we were there we -- we don't know we weren't there right.
Do you do you -- pre disposition about this case based on your own experience.
I'm saying is that somebody is a troublemaker and they get themselves shot or killed I don't care -- -- do you.
I concluded that I'm pretty certain of that I mean I don't know anything for certain only got -- That they are they are I I don't know for certain if I walk out on the streets.
That's -- -- -- right now mistreated 200 miles an hour -- for.
I concluded trademark yes I have concluded trade on as a -- -- and the -- I haven't called up.
But but could it do you think your -- a -- line is somewhat shaded by your own experience.
You don't think so.
No I mean I might I might look into it -- -- that's.
Studied the case a little bit more.
He I think generally the public should be aware of should be aware that a lot of cases they are manipulated.
By comedian and misled by the media and I think this is a case.
Where the political left it's misleading the public and the public should be aware of it.
These demonstrations they happen all -- they've been a lot of demonstrations here in New York City and I -- very.
Cities around the country.
Their role that those -- -- political left it doesn't -- very orchestrated.
Did you think tonight and they were percent they don't represent America they don't represented.
White people or black people like -- I've got a bunch.
I actually think both sides have it -- I think the political right I think some people -- left also try to make a racial case and people on the right did too.
And the people so there are some people on the right who are happy to see that Zimmerman walk simply because -- immediately knee jerk took that position political.
-- -- And certainly there's a lot of people in the world.
People -- Al Sharpton has said that you know he was clearly critic of -- back in the day and he now seems to agree with you that.
The incidents are similar give a different feeling about Sharpton now than you did back in 1984.
You know Ed Koch with a straight shooter -- contents several years before he died about Al Sharpton.
He said that if Al Sharpton would apologize.
For Tawana -- yeah but he would be the equal of any of the big names like politicians.
And by that what is he -- that.
Well effectively consulting animal that once you get to know a lot of the big name like politicians you know what crafting our panel with the shank -- This Sharpton could be their equal -- I think they -- -- there's not a lot of difference summer little smoother than others -- that's the terms of you know.
People use the N word which occasionally it shouldn't be used people use the a lot.
When it shouldn't be used.
In this -- take Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
I think -- little -- -- actually think that they can call me race.
I can certainly call -- -- I think -- that in the case like this the real racists are the people who war.
Making that you continually making to charges of racism racism.
So your feelings -- -- haven't changed over the years.
I think -- I think he's -- -- the -- probably.
-- -- white politicians we ever apologize if you're in New York City I don't care because they're not actually morally but that's -- to try to figure.
-- is the same as a lot of or lying politicians.
All throughout the -- Have you changed -- vote Republican Democrat and you in over this is the number of years you've had reflect on this change your view of your own incidents.
In any -- Well things change I really didn't even know what happened in the action and control -- until we shall.
-- have been in control -- -- until we -- ballistic evidence.
So I mean my opinions prior to that we didn't -- you know and then after that.
What it was -- it was a political prosecutions like -- -- elegant and we'll take it -- I don't -- -- -- against a heartbreaker burning -- I can't control all the -- thinking about do we get back.
And sometimes I wish we didn't have hard breaks but sadly -- won't -- him a now because we're talking to a burning guests -- -- Case really became internationally known back in 1984 when.
He shot four people on the New York subway noses -- people burning NC kids are thank you current you know but I got.
How about how about for mothers.
Did -- activation for what they do that I just Scotia the people of the subway train.
At W checkers that but you're shooting four people.
-- people when old legislation for mothers -- four people pulled to the table late there was 1520 other people and that's so.
How can the press -- how -- the pro especially in the way that you would approve.
Well I would say that if the preponderance of the evidence.
Shows that they were in the process of mugging me it's probably more accurate and I wish you we shouldn't perform others just like -- You know.
And that I can that I consider more accurate some people might take pac -- -- it's.
-- -- You do still have an ax to grind them the way you're treated.
Ax to grind the problems are capitalists have been more personal and you know that'll prosecution I'd put that -- behind me EP.
But there is America's -- focusing on the wrong problem here -- a problem in America but -- many problems but one of them.
Is political prosecutions.
And it's not it's not it's not necessarily just it's misusing of the courts should closest dissension.
But when you have.
Different people trying to mislead people -- should -- -- couple quick examples of the political prosecution.
And how I think it's better to handle my I think my case Swiss political prosecutions.
I think go to -- -- I think Bill Clinton.
And let me explain that was Bill Clinton won it was a political prosecution.
They put two prosecute Iran and full time to look into some real estate deals and Arkansas that they might be that the -- might be improper.
That's basically legitimate -- someone engaging in something like perhaps.
And I even though it's not the -- actually apple petitions to hand.
Because they couldn't get him on anything like that then they start going into effect for and they get him to lie about it's actually yeah he in fact would have been far better off.
And many people here under deposition like that simply -- I don't discuss and and -- facets of my private sex -- that's not what this investigation is about.
So they got him because he lied about a six point Ajinca prosecution also cost.
Twenty my 29 million dollars and I think also if the public exception for let's face someone who is more popular with the laughter it -- We're liberals like Bill Clinton unlike the Clinton gently by the way.
If -- due to the little guy.
Which means Zimmerman and the public should except that they do it to someone like Clinton.
I think it's as if right now the Republicans -- I don't have a lot of respect for -- -- the Democrats by the way if they decide to prosecute.
To -- phony political prosecution on from.
-- were left wing -- -- fully prosecution.
The liberal -- complaint.
-- another political prosecution.
That was not a speaker and useless to remember the Duke Lacrosse rape case that was so phony prosecution.
But prosecutors there was acting and think again like.
But -- my cases Zimmermann case deliberately misleading the public.
And the prosecutor -- got to spark.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And -- and I'm not pro Zimmerman and OK but if.
People right now they're talking about we want to petition to get to the federal government we want federal civil rights investigation.
That extent people in Florida.
Should be signing the petition.
To add to that that the prosecutor that there will be held at that the prosecutor be structured or explored or.
Alan Dershowitz -- -- what the prosecutor did hear some proper.
He's just giving out partial evidence misleading the public.
-- -- Bernie -- let me ask you as we we mentioned Sharpton we then look what -- your defender question I did I quit I came upon it.
-- -- -- -- better back then was -- -- a fan of the guardian angels who now disagrees with the comparisons between you and Bernie we and then Zimmerman.
Actually -- it's a very different case however.
What I'm saying in both cases society's reaction we have the political prosecution by the left in this case.
I consider the prosecution to be the -- not the incidents.
Which is what fleet was says -- Bernie -- -- Charles Bronson in death wish.
He had enough and Darrell KB represented every guy -- had tried among them before George Zimmerman.
Is Travis Beckel and taxi driver he's -- not his complete nut job who thinks he's on a mission.
And -- young black man ended up on his radar screen and then dad.
Welcome -- -- two separate things that until we leave you ultra bright purple thank you correct.
That I needed to correct Kurdish Charles Bronson -- their hunting.
I don't play -- some people believe I was hunting well.
What can actually I was you just do you do you do that which Clinton edition of the bunch of bad guys did you do so at some point call on Saturday.
1 o'clock in the afternoon with 1520 other people in the car.
Yeah go to someone put themselves in a dangerous situation like that where they get surrounded political and it is really want to come for guys -- shotgun.
So -- what similarities do you do see similarities between you and jurors there.
Actually some big guy discussion -- And -- people say well there's some bad black good discussion at the same people they if no complaint -- the black -- shot let's say.
Something like -- supposed to be Klansman racial like -- were going to be a couple black guy and he -- out of conscience a couple from kills a couple of.
You know it's.
The same people wouldn't be complaining announces that it would have nothing to fact it would make -- -- -- Do you still -- -- having carried a gun for ten years let me just out.
This shouldn't basically finished 1015 years ago.
-- Basically the black people in the city of black crime has so -- you Michael element collect welfare crime it was black people suffer more for the welfare crime is really about poverty more than great she would agree.
Yes oh yes but.
-- -- Sample.
Maybe fifteen years ago I was going out to feed the squirrels -- afternoon.
And some walking down the street -- street was empty except for me and then in the other direction comes some big -- -- -- Twenty year old black guy -- -- you know -- chance to come up to these -- And twenty light years ago I would have gone to the other side of the street.
Fifteen years ago I just kept walking and I didn't feel not -- people these these.
Another thing this implementation does is that it just increases racial tension and and resentment unnecessarily.
People have an automatic reaction including me like.
I noticed this morning I went to the post office and I saw a few black black people on the street -- it was just a little bit more -- That was unusual now I'm sure that'll totally do not listen to your true but that's right.
You automatically feel -- this garbage in the media you automatically feel more attention when you see a black person or -- young black person.
A little bit.
But it's it's it's not it's it's it's really not.
If you see some allow teenagers.
All of society's spun -- Atlantic.
Around the world really have to control their teenage -- -- can't won't take a teenage -- -- course agenda trouble and they do little slot.
But you can't let him go around beating up people.
And if you single out teenage males I can -- wider black it's extra reason to be concerned.
But is there a heightened sense when it's black vs white.
Depends how they act dismissive it's the same like if you -- so little that -- were the New York City has virtually no crime if you look at if you want some violent crime and get beaten down go to London it's much more violence to New York City.
Are you having a happy life now.
Well he person needs several things -- lying it's.
Generally life is much better right I don't have any -- right now I don't adorable creature look like with a person who and and actually one factor.
I don't wiped out by -- prosecution not having a lot of money that doesn't bother me so much.
So shall any anyway I'm not -- particularly happy person -- the same time I'm not a prickly unhappy person.
How do you get stopped a lot that -- always say that's burning gaps that I got from the public operational.
That that probably good -- -- you have some big piece and that's and that's the case.
Yeah some people recommend that gift from my interpretation why do you go to Hong Kong for -- -- -- just there that you will be nobody there annual.
They should do it will be very good from a mental health and hindsight maybe I should've done.
-- appreciate the opportunity to -- once again.
I hear your thoughts are always very interesting I appreciate.
It's not by the way that that.
-- quickly what I'd liked it more what you did talk radio -- night.
Advertising is good and that -- support that was a lot of sabotaging the NL wild at that time had been -- Or you can now it may we were local in new York and now this is a national shows so.
But -- people that a lot a lot of -- opinions but anyway it was -- talking -- -- appreciate Bernie thank you very much it will come against.
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