Power Play 7/16/2013
Showdown on Reid's nuclear option, Holder responds to Zimmerman verdict and Abortion 20 week ban? Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss
Jul 16, 2013
Bob Cusack, Richard Fowler, Tim Miller
Showdown on Reid's nuclear option, Holder responds to Zimmerman verdict and Abortion 20 week ban? Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss
Jul 16, 2013
Bob Cusack, Richard Fowler, Tim Miller
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We will all -- the women of our city.
If we asked them to continue to meet with this man.
Do seek the leadership of wide.
Who will continue to arrest them groped them trying to stick their tongue down their throats grabbed their breasts.
One who is tragically.
The owner is tragically others say.
With San Diego city councilwoman Donna -- demanding the resignation of mayor Bob filled -- air force sexual misconduct.
For -- I met the mayor of San Diego for harassment.
But that was yesterday.
And this is -- by -- -- Chris Farrell so that's what it sounds like when government.
Goes too far.
We're sticking mixed on down your throat and grabbing your -- you don't -- to be grabbed it.
Is Harry Reid going too far today Republicans say he might.
When it comes to the nuclear and we need to get a graphic for this every time we -- nuclear option that the giant mushroom cloud appears back here.
But did the nuclear option today.
We may be close to a deal to avert.
Nuclear status or at least maybe we'll just -- mildly radioactive for -- while we will tell you all about that give you the latest.
We will talk about what are the expectations were once air colder as he -- down to Orlando where he is trying to be NAACP.
The group that is very upset about the verdict in the trade on Morton killing.
And very upset actually many with President Obama who they say has not.
Not done the things to bring.
Justice not just in this case but for Black America Eric Holder is the president's point man on these topics.
And so he's got he's got some work to do.
Down there but will he do so much that he hurts the president with other -- so we'll look at that in a Smart.
Even handed fashion unlike much of what I saw yesterday while I was in the airport waiting rooms.
Looking at other networks did not treated very even handed -- We will do that we will also talk about the prospects for a ban on late term abortion in the United States senate.
It sounds far -- yes but.
There is actually some real pressure that could be brought to bear especially as we go in to.
Mid terms and can pro life advocates.
Maybe they can't -- and bring will be here -- that so many good things you have much much too delighted today Internet.
And again you're delighting right now because Bob -- he is the managing editor for the -- is -- -- Bob Cusack.
Joins us here is seriously -- welcome.
Always a pleasure Chris are you from are you gonna delay -- -- I ended alliance okay do it we desk right starting now go.
And by the way that you guys have been on the -- has been in a nice.
It was an -- -- lately you -- have had a lot of really good stuff link.
You think he had a lot going on and we've had some mighty interesting angles and it led.
But this nuclear option has been riveted on us and mean it it's it's been cannot.
-- all okay I was huge -- work huh.
Riveting if it's it's not riveted even for me but like -- and I go through the -- claims could you tell me like everybody else.
-- this I mean.
Obviously Harry Reid -- -- acting to some degree because why because he wants to get the best deal possible so he says I must get all seven of these nominees through.
-- seem to get all seven.
He's announcer here's an exit goes look let's take a look at the senate floor where they're not work but they're talking to process takes up a lot of talk.
So there's the senate floor they're going to soon -- a sequence of votes Harry Reid has so they had a meeting at a secret.
Double secret -- -- along chamber yes long meeting where everybody got together and talked about basically this it was day.
Read Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell the minority leader.
Both are -- we're trying to do a deal.
But to do the deal they have to have the body and of their respective conferences.
-- he doesn't really want to go nuclear.
-- but and and McConnell doesn't really want him to go nuclear.
But neither does Mitch McConnell want to confirm or or call on his body his fellow Republicans to confirm controversial appointee so Reeves got said -- a slate of seven.
Starting with the former Ohio.
Attorney general -- -- who -- wants to be to live.
In the house and Elizabeth Warren built yes and damaged and -- beyond that then the most controversial ones are at the National Labor Relations Board.
Where the president got some recess appointments we're in -- to be recess appointments so what kind of -- -- -- this is that tactical nuclear option yeah.
-- This conference behind -- looks like -- John McCain is becoming.
A big part of this deal making process and I think a big part of the reason is that if three did go -- -- immigration reform would be blown up now.
The minority appointees are the biggest ones and I think what the deal is going to be.
Based on our reporting.
Another reports is that who have -- -- -- -- all seven and this is appointees but the EPH people go through the labor secretary -- -- we'll go through.
And did too controversial and all our.
Be appointees will be replaced and they will go through committee so basically they'll be new pics from President Obama.
That and those will likely be confirmed.
But what's the if the NLRB is -- and so do the business community was happy.
Because the NLRB was about to defunct itself on August 27 the last commissioner.
Last validly appointed commissioner.
His term was going to expire there was much like we've talked about this tribute for much like federal elections commission under George W.
Bush and Democrats -- is fixed.
It was just gonna ceased to function right now no matter who they put it no matter who goes up even if they were to a point.
You know if if they were two point.
What's his name at the chamber if -- -- Tom Donohue Huckabee.
To the NLRB even if they did that.
The in the actions of the forward I will again be -- yes exactly so there's -- to be an NLRB.
The agency will be active and I think that was Harry Reid's.
That was intention I mean it was always.
A labor fight the this nuclear option is his labor it's always a partisan fight industry vs labor.
And the NLRB which is a top priority organized labor if not -- will be active.
Once they get these nominees confirmed and that I would imagine is going to be done and as I've seen.
In an expedited fashion itself.
Oh see that's not going to be easy from -- -- McConnell really deliver.
Confirmations on those because that's going to be that's that's going to be Dicey for a minute.
They're well I think the one thing that that he will he will -- is that.
They did not let the recess appointees the defunct ones that the court ruling said.
Go through and we don't know you know according could be affected by -- court ruling on whether he is balanced -- so.
The the basically they're gonna say let's see what the courts say on that but is it going to be criticism of the -- Course well now so the way the way the senate stands in Democrats only need three votes to confirm right yes that's.
Clearly three votes out of if they get all the -- -- of all the Democrats vote as a block yet.
They need bailing me three Republicans.
To get to sixty is not so -- I think -- if you look at 855 now with more -- any bottoms are.
So and so they need five to their you know their -- may -- five or problem now I can't think they're five Republicans that are gonna vote for anybody on the NLRB business.
I mean I think that's going to be I I and that's -- we don't have an announcement yet because all the stuff has to be in right and that's what Reid said early this morning.
We've Diana got some.
Decent -- -- minds on that kind of busted tees on T hello Aaron if the so I think you have to put in writing and I think that McConnell is gonna have to go along with -- and they're gonna have to deliver votes or this deal will be defunct.
Why should the Republicans just a nuclear.
Let it go just let it ride goes -- just like students do this whole -- like just like.
Brad I just I think that Washington is such an ugly places you know I think it would get you got -- I think thank you thank -- specifics.
Glad I I I think it would be really ugly and I believe the Republicans it's that -- that we would.
They would basically shut down senate they would do everything procedurally that they can do they would make every bill be read.
-- thousand page bill.
Read it -- Wednesday and Byron York called the nuclear winters that follows a nuclear option yet so you think.
They don't want they don't want the senate to become so I don't think -- -- and I McConnell wants that nobody actually wants that yet they'll they'll both sides of flirted with -- a little military.
-- you know it's always sending flying -- three says this administration will do anything to remove the focus from the many scandals is called weapons of mass distraction.
The only reason they're involving themselves in the George Zimmerman trial is because they know it's an emotional issue.
And the -- they took the bear the more emotional people get and be less likely to focus on them guys in the -- passengers.
What it is is this is huge issue for their base and we're gonna talk more about that in the show and flying -- three this this counts.
A tremendous amount.
For the NAACP for the black voters who help ensure that brought -- was the first president this is huge for them and president's got enough problems with his approval ratings -- -- Bob Cusack questions before we let you go class.
So when we talk about the football season yes yes and we're getting close are you really are -- from there I want to think about the bet that you want to make.
When you come back what.
Immediately we like a Steelers vs jets luckily I did like how do you wanna -- -- -- want to -- -- let me mull that over on the very optimistic about this year.
But maybe we'll have a new quarterback and I don't want my chances -- back.
-- The patriots can have -- Boom anyway -- -- exactly thank you very much for your time on his tactical nukes when we come back we will get -- -- -- straight to the question of what a -- out.
The treatment case President Obama because it once said that his -- it would look like trailer he would look like -- -- But they're not saying that anymore but -- Eric -- in the Saturday we'll talk about it when we come back.
-- stick around.
Delta's are deeply.
And rightly concerned about this case.
The Justice Department shares your concerns.
I share your concern.
That's heartfelt assurance.
Of care and compassion came from attorney general Eric Holder.
Speaking at the delta sigma beta national convention show of -- for social at their social action luncheon.
That was held here.
In Washington DC yesterday.
And this is power play and welcome back now Eric Holder has a complicated role inside the Obama administration.
He has been attorney general longer than most actually longer than all but eight.
And if he makes it -- -- -- will be longer than all but three.
He has been there a long time despite a lot of controversies.
He has been described as the president's conscience.
And he also happens in the president's point man on race relations.
This offsets to a great degree pressures from Republicans in congress and others -- -- does stuff like -- -- isn't going to be criminal.
How does this play -- colder -- he had sent to Orlando.
Ground zero in the -- on our controversy to talk about.
That case to the NAACP people who know because they've seen the show.
Before earth -- Richard Fowler he is the host of the aptly named Richard -- show -- -- -- radio -- if you're in DC is -- -- -- And Tim Miller he is the executive director -- The America rising -- right thing.
Formerly of the Republican National Committee formerly of team Romney welcome gentlemen.
-- yeah yeah we'll say are okay.
The before we knew that my -- As a good I just have to share the stuff than previous topic my take follows me on Twitter insisting -- -- Is lavishing -- when we did you area is lavishing praise on McCain and other Republicans got screwed.
Probably -- but it's just how much this is this relative.
Counts here and that's that's that that's how that goes but did on that question shareholder.
-- -- -- -- -- road today because my -- follows me.
Anti -- Twitter heard about this Eric Holder and let's start with you Richard Eric Holder for.
For good or for bad -- function and as.
Outreach to the left and -- the black community for Barack Obama who and you do you may not get this if you're conservative has from time to time based.
Among these voters you would think that the first black president would be everything would be cool but has often faced.
Frustrations and upset over there -- fills fills that role right.
I think what holder doesn't hold it like I think it's right either conscious of the president -- -- think he -- what does a lot of -- lot of African American congress is beyond that point I think he speaks truth.
On I think that's what a lot of people like him in the African American community to -- when it comes to -- that this particular decision I think -- -- -- very upset.
Com with how bad -- -- did that decision was made in Sanford I think we're there's people that are upset about the prosecution -- -- prosecute the case.
Although I think people would just really want justice for trade Lamar and infer any African American male which I think is what this -- boils down -- The route which is -- black -- new site.
Is that -- -- -- description.
It is because it is a competitor to big Rio.
Says Obama fails Black America and -- -- That says that and and writer goes on to say.
That the president in his statement which was praised by Charles Krauthammer and others yesterday.
On the verdict.
As being evenhanded and not incendiary and an incendiary moment.
But Tim for.
This is one of those moments where white American Black -- come into the public square they look at each other and they -- do you really think that and black people look at white Americans that you really think the justice system is fair do you really think the justice system is fair.
And -- white Americans look at black Americans say do you really think that George Zimmerman is white privilege.
This is a tough zone for error four Eric -- to walk into the.
But slipping through there is one interesting area of overlap those really surprises we give us a corner coalesced on one of the -- -- he witnessed the absolutely.
You know -- that's live -- Carlos playing -- Cornell west is absolutely full says well.
Does surprise to see agreement with Cornell west who is going after the president and saying look.
The president has sort of abandon the black community in areas of poverty.
In areas where it comes to the incarceration of a young black males in particular on on drug charges and the president has not done anything on this.
And you saw him sort of agree with the libertarian.
Folks on the panel as well I think that's -- incomes Eric Holder to try to be the president's protector on those issues or is very vulnerable.
And Cornell west though it was not saying they should have voted for Mitt Romney how they're saying that Obama could have been -- politics is always a binary choice Republicans frustrated with George W.
Bush and his second term.
It's not like they said oh if only John Kerry were president this things will be better.
But here's what Fox News UNC.
Event says oh my lord of Eric Holder talking about the trade on -- case really shouldn't he be busy investigating himself right now.
So there are frustrations.
You've got -- Investigating the press on leaks in this scorched earth on leaks.
You've gotten the IRS -- that the Department of Justice -- being investigated.
You've got legal rationale for drone killings and all kinds of the Justice Department got money on -- play.
That was that they're too -- and I think I think this is that I think Ericsson pretty clear that.
-- extra holes and pretty -- this is beyond him this -- for his civil rights division find out if there really isn't a crime was -- of -- -- really profile what we know the truth that the -- that question is yes the prosecution presented in the case right but when the police and don't leave your car and you listen to the quote -- remained calm and not -- call these people always they always get away with -- referring to.
African Americans and -- -- -- -- you know you really have.
Disabled we don't know we don't know what what -- we don't know we -- the Internet does not want us to re litigate cases.
-- holder to go into this while there is is as we were talking about there is significant appeal for the president's base.
And there is significant appeal in the African American community.
Four a lot of Americans Justice Department Starr is not -- these days.
-- every poll across the board shows holder is does not enjoy tremendous confidence.
The broad political.
The question of why -- -- there is still.
In the attorney general's office at all and the Department of Justice has a lot of issues he's embroiled in fit and good attorney general.
I should write my notes from his boss Janet Reno.
Served longer as attorney general than anybody but.
Worked who was The Who served twelve years back against -- 1790s.
To eighteen something.
Eric Holder -- if he makes it as I said before he makes it till October to be the third longest serving attorney general.
Generally this is a short shelf life and especially in the modern media age.
We have seen.
These Richard attorneys general have taken.
Cedar -- where they're in for a term.
You can't help but have a lot of difficult stuff creep to you during that time and then you pack pack your bags and goes holder and for the long term.
I don't know it was a little long term but I the thing I want everybody out there watching to understand that this is I don't know who mix up and oranges here and there colder and his star is Eric Holder -- -- I think Eric Holder talking but the trade on Martin issue is about justice for trademark -- Now in trying to deal with the standard ground lost the lead America was exchanged exchanged council and what that's doing to the African American community and I think that's the distinction here and that's where he's going to -- -- That's please vote with -- that to do with adult -- this week because he understands that the African American community upset.
They're angry and once again the justice system has failed the African American community.
Fuel -- well I think it is relevant bill and why they overlap is that he's still as attorney general and did nothing to do with the fact that look you know the more they'll African American males on the regular basis -- -- -- former attorney general speaking out about vesting of the need to reform that's one thing that as this current attorney put the lives of all these -- now launched on accountability of everybody would.
The and -- wanna get your -- sure does overstate just how much -- -- holder's day.
And his colleagues that he doesn't resign now.
And I -- the whole time I'm shocked dinners eyes and ears in ten months Janet Reno amended and that was she outlasted them Lucas Ahmanson.
That's our producer points -- outlasted all -- William work.
Who served from 1817.
1829 that's that that's a long that is a long haul as attorney general but we shall see gentlemen we thank you both wise counsel.
-- Chris -- brain she is a wise counselor.
She will be with us when we come back so you don't have -- you're gonna do.
Nobody in tax us.
No matter what color T sure they're wearing.
-- more women forced to confront a discussion.
About ending a pregnancy.
But that is exactly what this bill will results and it will not only do that it will limit contraceptives.
Lead to more unwanted pregnancy and force more Texas women to make dangerous.
Sometimes deadly decisions.
And that was Texas State senator Wendy Davis she's a Democrat who represents parts of Fort Worth.
And she was addressing it and delivering an address there in Austin, Texas and this is powered by and welcome back the fight.
They're in Texas over that states.
Interminable the ban on elective elective late term abortions.
By choice not.
In the six month and beyond.
Davis is fighting there has become a cause celeb for Democrats across the country.
As they say that her effort eventually unsuccessful to block legislation Texas that would do that.
That she's on the front lines of an assault on women's rights reproductive rights.
And that assault.
Say pro tortures.
-- coming to the United States senate chain and marine.
You know Shannon greens from many things for many things you know you watch on Sunday it is you watcher for the Supreme Court.
Thank you so much always a privilege and power play the Internet it is the internet's privilege.
Now the United States and it is in democratic hands the president of the United States is a Democrat and who has meant he was a lawmaker stood strong and stood staunchly for.
Elective late term abortion this is a guy who would definitely has been there.
Why does anybody think that now is it time that a US senate -- on late term abortions -- Well those who are very active in the pro life drive say they've got momentum right now -- went to Texas that they say.
Just this year alone there had been ten states in the past Tony -- proportion the end.
After that time for elective abortions the house has passed a measure now they feel like they have momentum -- talking with several folks but it looks like the effort will likely be headed up by Florida Republican senator Marco Rubio.
Kiev probably 2016 fame.
And so those are all kinds of calculations that he asked making getting involved in this he seems very supportive of signing onto this in introducing it.
Along with several others and hearing -- and I -- some others that -- join this effort -- Yes senator Harry Reid the senate majority leader was asked about -- -- -- network on a Sunday that's and when he was pushed about witness an entertainer elite and abortion and he did say welcoming to look at the city went on to college if range.
Issue he does distract himself as pro life.
So -- -- -- to -- there will be enough public pressure on him.
To force this kind of thing to look.
Leave the pressure on Reid.
Is also to protect.
In the mid term elections Nate Silver at the New York Times recently said hey it's a toss up about whether the Republicans are gonna are gonna take over it.
Control of the senate.
And Reid has red state Democrats.
We're facing contentious because they don't want to talk about this but if there's -- if if rubio and others can create enough pressure and they may feel obliged to start calling for -- right.
Yeah and that anything is it increased says an optical.
Situation either wait for Democrats because either they don't allow to come to votes in the can detect people.
We're red -- and I think.
You know look at -- mansion or somebody that he left it.
Mary Landrieu and Louisiana.
Mark Pryor of Arkansas -- -- baggage and Alaska are going to be debates.
Right speaking about those folks to are from generally conservative states that they are Democrats so do you hold off on forcing them to cast a vote on something like this.
-- or do you let the Republicans force you into it because they now -- -- and think how can you.
Stated it's not an appropriate thing here and most civilized country we would argue on the planet.
That you wouldn't put to a vote the idea of elective abortions after the five month mark.
67 months and I think I think that -- -- downtown Philadelphia which we covered.
How -- exposed the horrors of what can happen late term abortions in babies that are born alive and then Chile was convicted of first game -- three of those cases.
Prosecutors say there are many more I think those kinds of things and recent polling show us that the American opinion of this late term stuff is changing.
Then there is science you know as as Republicans.
Have found out in -- -- on the gay marriage issue when you can win.
You're using the government.
To him to maintain a status quo.
Public opinion -- the government eventually politicians will break ranks and run.
The other direction -- public opinion shifts.
But Republicans enjoyed gay marriage -- They do that came out on the -- I suspect it's -- let's -- -- some Republicans enjoyed gay marriage in 2004 but most enjoy the benefits of opposing gay marriage in 2004.
But -- other parties is still trying to reconcile those issues.
This is an issue where as you -- the polls continue to show -- late term abortion.
Politically popular ultrasound earlier viability thanks to neonatal care has made it has made it less attractive.
And we're not talking about something you would concern right meaningful means is -- -- is the Huffington Post sending these circles that safely people understand what we're talking about the baby decking here and recognize police is it's moving it just all his fingers and -- -- organs.
Mom and in many cases can survive outside the home.
A lot of Americans when confronted with that question -- comfortable saying it actually can -- -- thank you.
Today yeah I I'm getting us this is rubbing off.
Alex that's enough that -- -- be smarter at an do you agree thank you for your time today on Jonathan Hunt is up next and now as we like to do every day.
We'll leave -- with the word from our financial.
-- CNN and others had to end invent a new category.
From the white Hispanic up until now we had never heard of that.
Why presumably because who wanted him and his parents his -- well that also applies.
-- the president of the United States which means is he a white African American this is an absurdity.
And it's also a disgrace.
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