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We have some new developments as lawmakers seek more answers.
About YA BI RS targeted conservatives and other groups seeking tax exempt status.
So listen 48 hours from now we're gonna hear for the first time.
From some of the key players in this scandal that people who worked at the -- -- tax agency.
In Cincinnati where all of this outrage began across the country.
So the head of the committee that looked into this controversy.
Has just announced that three new witnesses -- -- -- appear before congress at that hearing on Thursday.
And he joins us now.
Republican -- and allies of California's the chairman of the house oversight government committee.
There are some welcome good to have you back again.
Well thank you Martha thank you for covering this upcoming hearing.
You know we although we've received only 1% of the documents we've requested from the IRS.
We've interviewed over twelve witnesses.
And we're going to have a smattering of those on Thursday so people can begin to understand.
That which we know for sure is true.
And most importantly.
That this was not isolated to Cincinnati.
But in fact went to -- content and then went up the chain from there.
Now as I understand it one of the people that will be testifying as Elizabeth half -- As she worked in that Cincinnati office in fact she was the -- and one of two people.
Who were tasked with a big pile of applications for tax exempt status from.
Tea Party groups and conservative groups and they said you know you need to go through -- she claims that she and her colleague.
Word we're dumb dot -- were -- to the fall guy and that's and it they got their orders directly from Washington will she testify to that tomorrow on any -- -- she will she's already testified in transcribed interview suggests exactly that.
Although she bears some responsibility maybe for not being -- whistle blower.
That in fact she was taking orders from Washington she names names and -- case of Carter -- Who was in Washington.
He names names above give him including -- with Lerner.
All right so is Carter hall.
Going to testify at this hearing as well because his name was on your list was it not.
It is and he will.
This is the expectation is that although we cannot reach conclusions this early in investigation.
We will know is.
Stop looking at Cincinnati alone stop looking just at the first level in Washington and look to the people that are in fact being pointed at.
As you know the IRS is an agency in crisis we've had multiple hearings on multiple areas of wrongdoing and two witnesses taking the fifth.
Which is extremely unusual.
You know the president came out when all of this started to erupt.
And -- he was very disturbed by -- -- today eight under no circumstances.
Should we be screening in this way.
What what does the White House been doing about this issue polls tell -- this is one of the most important mission of people's minds right now.
Well the White House and Danny were from former head of Office of Management and Budget to take over that agency.
We're working with the new commissioner acting commissioner.
And we hope to get full cooperation.
In fixing this agency.
As of right now our biggest obstruction is of course -- ranking member mr.
Cummings who keeps saying that we know everything we need to know when it's over.
And then when corrected he takes a little while -- -- comes back again saying there's nothing there there.
Our second panel Martha is important and I think this is the one that you mentioned you said three.
Russell George the IG and two of his lead people in General Counsel one of his investigators.
Are going to answer the allegations from ranking member -- that somehow progressive groups were targeted.
He's down to I believe dispel that in no uncertain terms that he ran.
A nonpartisan investigation.
And what he found was.
They're the holding back of these hundreds of applications by conservative groups and not by progressive groups.
My message is -- because he was criticized Russell George the inspector general.
For leaving out the fact that progressives were also targeted.
In these cases -- you say that he will testify that that was not true.
Absolutely and and I think Martha I'm gonna use the word targeting very carefully.
If you and I do a Google search and information comes up and we just grab one file and we go work on it that's the one we targeted that's the one we went after.
There may have been groups that came up in searches database searches but no groups as far as we get any evidence at all on where ever withheld.
For weeks months or years.
The way into the Tea Party groups -- and that's really when we use the term targeting we're not talking about a name coming up and assert.
We're talking about unreasonable delay as we saw -- Tea Party groups for as much as 27 months.
Well we know we didn't see those kind of complaints.
From the other people who -- up -- saying -- on the other side of the fence so.
Will be watching Darrell -- congressman thank you very much good to see is I think -- good luck on the birth.
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