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So what social engineering.
Last night a lawyer for -- about Martin's Kelly telling -- social engineering is part of her job description.
-- yeah what are the -- it we assigned the job to weigh the facts we drafted them we make them sit there are a lot of times it ought to be there.
We then present the evidence and the judge -- says -- the evidence.
Here's along instructional law and it's your duty it's not mind it's not yours is not enable us to connect but just a jury's duty to -- the -- well also and suddenly.
After -- say they can't do their job.
-- greater duty beyond being an attorney and that's to be a social engineer and when the lot doesn't get it right.
I believe that we have the right to peacefully and more elite conscientiously object to what did decision of the jury that doesn't mean that we believe that it's going to be overturned or that it will -- that we don't respect the decision that those six people made.
But there millions of people out there who don't agree with that decision so it's not just as easily know what the problem is -- -- -- -- just thirty that's -- all over the world.
I think that what I'm talking about being a social engineer George Zimmerman never would have been arrested if it wasn't an outcry.
From black people brown people white people Republicans Democrats Christians and Muslims.
In this nation who demanded his arrest.
He was then arrested and he was tried by a jury of his peers I do not believe that distort the jury got it right and the federal government has every right to bring the plane that's why we have federal preemption.
Breslin though is watching us last night he heard jasmine -- now rush has something to say about social engineers from last night on fox.
Greta Van Susteren interview and it.
One of the -- family attorneys -- doesn't mean.
Ran under Arabian jasmine and rammed.
This woman kind of let it all out of the bag for ever -- that -- she's a lawyer.
But then she let it out of the bags is I'm not reveal more social engineer.
Everything -- it is about social justice and grab -- who is a warrior and very serious lawyer and has a deep and profound appreciation from a walk.
Took this woman.
The -- they didn't get this verdict.
And -- yeah hey -- -- it.
Start crying like a -- a little impertinent kids spoiled brat.
Nobody -- I don't think that these these people were not personally invested -- -- mom and so when it didn't go her way then all of a sudden she stops being a warrior.
And -- social engineer and she is to make sure that what happened it didn't go her way.
Does go her way by hook or by crook.
Hey Charlie a panel in Orlando Diana tennis -- San Cisco Jim Hammer here in Washington and Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams -- first -- you are your thoughts on the social engineering.
When you're dissatisfied.
The jury verdict.
Well Greta you're really good interview but last night was one of the best interviews I've seen long long time you you could see you were offended as a -- you practice law.
A lot of years by this woman.
Basically participating in this bashing of these individual jurors and you know I've -- I've been very disappointed its verdicts -- times a prosecutor I have never once come close to attacking jurors who who did this public service.
I think it's a very very dangerous thing for any lawyer especially the prosecutors in this case when you start.
Besmirching the work of those jurors besmirching the verdict.
We have high high obligation.
To honor that system we can make comments about changing the law Greta but I think people crosswind in this case it it ticks me off to.
I don't know his lawyers you think a lot of ourselves but we're not transcended.
If I lot losing case I -- I lost tonight and move on I don't get into social engineering if the jury wants to engage -- in the jury room.
Saying we need to make this right that's not my business I can't argue that the jury because -- no obligation.
The jury wants to do it fine but lawyers have no place in there especially mocking the jury of dating do you divert they -- And attend -- I've tried the listeners read and I -- give me a friend can do another interview would you sure probably walk it back.
But what we also must should realize that keep in mind here is that you had to a brilliant lawyers in -- -- problem.
And they -- hogs who.
Went out when nobody ordered this -- even charts this case they went out and sought social injustices they were not sergeant Smith.
Not a social engineers and automotive definition open and I don't think.
That has anything to do would a -- we have to respect what the jury did.
I think -- -- -- data but I slightly different topic the attorney general of the United States said today.
In this country you have a duty to retreat.
I have gone to the jury instructions in Florida and is says in part.
That the defendant had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground then I go to the federal jury instructions for reference I've gone to other states and the thing I don't you think that Eric -- -- -- -- -- would know this -- says.
The law another jury instruction the law recognizes the right of a person who is not the aggressor to stand his ground this is fundamental.
Basic self defense and now we've got this whole sort of thing swarming around so stay Negron is something anything different than than old fashioned self defense.
-- -- -- Write many many states have taken away the requirement to be in your home before you can stand your ground this is not unusual.
This frankly is not as Mark O'Meara has said over and over it's not a stand your ground Casey was.
I believe the jury believed was proven on his back and being beaten so there wasn't a other -- to retreat even -- fat part had still been and the law.
There's -- apples and oranges frankly I think isn't just a way to get the topic off.
The reality that they cannot charge in federally and still have something to say to appease.
And unfortunately that doesn't take any of our conversations about the real issues.
Race justice guns it doesn't appear that any farther it's apples and oranges.
I assuming the IRS and listen to the attorney general say that in this country have a duty to retreat and it's simply not true -- would -- well we're gonna we gonna get you on -- researcher of -- -- known.
Well but some states still do require the duty to retreat -- didn't -- -- -- it's either there is a difference Greta state by state.
And in this case I listen -- read your interview last night at least part of it she said they discussed the standard -- law having so all that it still comes down to self defense.
And this jury and I -- like yeah.
Defense pound -- as always is self defense -- your standards reasonable ground or not self defenses if you have if you appear imminent fear that deadly force is going to be do against used against -- and the sensitivity -- you can respond but that -- -- -- and of itself.
Defense and the keyword.
If it's reasonable and this jury held its regional threat not like -- did and they said this was reasonable fear and he was justified and that's why the -- not guilty.
But -- -- not my point is is that you can always stand your ground in self defense if you think if -- chasing -- with an ax.
I and I can shoot the first got -- to see if I cannot run the neighbors because it wouldn't be reasonable to regularly treat your Brett -- would be reasonable.
But this whole thing of -- -- just to -- confusing everybody.
It's just self defense.
I think it sends us an -- to the dangerous -- just logon record on the record and say it is sort of sends a signal you don't have to do anything else I can -- it suggests that you can more easily as a weapon.
I like the idea that if you have a reasonable opportunity to retreat before he's got -- force you should that's still the law and I say it's gonna.
I -- he tomorrow we did attorney general Amara legal research and it cannot thank you to elaborate on that as -- jab a little bit.