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But the new questions this hour about Mexico's long and bloody drug war that is certainly still then.
To the United States having an effect here at home this is off following the capture one of the country's most notorious and most brutal.
Drug lords could it be the beginning of the ends.
-- the drug trades violent grip.
On Mexico the question today Michael -- as a former chief of operations for the US Drug Enforcement Administration we'll get him in just a moment of Brosseau join and the phone.
By Wall Street Journal reporter Nicholas -- he has the front page article in the Wall Street Journal today about this very topic.
I've Nicholas you're coming -- US from Mexico how big of a deal is this capture of this man.
Well you know in terms of headlines of Mexico that all you're seeing right now on the front pages.
That god this man was known as it is quite -- -- forty it was captured alive -- kind of rare but from what she should it come down by.
The big question is does this mean that you're not going to -- drugs going north.
Yet so that's probably know.
And that's because getting rid of the chief of -- drug cartel doesn't mean the drug cartel also are.
-- or a business so it this CEO of that there's there's disappears.
He's got a lot of lieutenant and other people were going to take over manage -- parts of the business.
So what this guy thought that good news for the government in terms of being able to explain to the people that they're making.
And progress here but that very mean that is drugs in Mexico.
Is interesting you made that point about it -- the cartels franchising its that they will.
As part of their organization.
In your article there's -- You said specifically that when this gentleman was caught in addition comment anonymous has -- the drug cartel boss right.
His capture was aided by -- helicopter provided by the United States and the Mexican Marines were actually trained in America as well.
There have been a lot -- differing point of views about the relationship between Mexico and the United States and where it stands when it's specifically comes to you.
Security concerns how would you characterize the nature of that relationship now.
Well I think the relationships pretty good compared to outlet they.
In fifteen years ago there was a time -- on security issues.
Even though the US and Mexico share -- border.
You wouldn't call Mexico if you're in the US served by the first the American -- might be of great the Mexican guy.
Was -- in the Mexican -- maybe didn't know anybody north of the border.
To call because that relationship wasn't there.
That's changed the US is providing a significant amount of the gate helicopters money training to Mexico.
More importantly next -- taking that using that.
So with this but the fact that the helicopter was used it was done in American Blackhawk.
And the fact that the guys who were responsible for the rest.
Marine guys would trade in the US we -- -- -- I can -- it just some pretty.
Concrete -- -- that this program is far.
-- I want every Michael -- -- you have some experience slack off course in in this this area.
Are we follow -- -- any specific model here for example is -- the model that we used to when you look at organized crime in trying to get the mafia.
At a different cities in the united -- it is are we using the model of how we combat terrorism what models actually working here and is this a sign that were being successful that we're making some -- -- Let me I I think that we're making a lot of -- roads and -- -- I believe if there was one model.
To use as an analogy or an example would be the model.
Health plan Colombia if you look at Columbia and were they were at just 125 years ago.
With the super cartels and in another way of Medellin and -- and the -- cartels.
And what their country was faced with the you know attacks on their Supreme Court.
Pablo Escobar downing with an explosive device and I'll be -- Airliner.
You know Columbia was facing many of the same problems that Mexico is today but if you look at Columbia today.
They've experienced enormous success and I'm not saying that -- out of the -- the -- you got there or not.
-- stole a lot of fight left in the smaller cartels that have arisen.
And there are -- a lot of fight left in the revolutionary armed forces of Colombia.
Which by the way as a designated terrorist organization.
As well as the world's most powerful cocaine trafficking cartel.
But the -- -- but the point I'm trying to make here is the smaller cartels.
That and that grow out of completely dismantling.
The larger super cartels.
Are much easier to manage by security forces.
And they don't -- -- don't present paid paid a threat to the security of the state itself.
I really am about a minute here but it was we have talked about franchising.
When it has said.
Al-Qaeda for example on how that creates a further obstacle on a war on terror according to sound that you're telling us that this franchising may be a way that we're seeing weaker units.
And we can go after those weaker units.
The third -- other product exactly they're weaker and there are more manageable you can.
You can manage them and you can keep a -- -- them look we've been -- organized crime in our country for over eighty years and it hasn't gone away.
But we I believe we do a better job than any other country in the world.
-- managing it and keeping a lid on it and that's what we hope Mexico can get too much like Columbia -- Well we don't want to oversell this victory but it was -- -- got our attention who want to talk a little bit more about it -- and Michael look for to have you both back appreciate the time very much.
Thank you and we'll be.
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