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Some new information on the latest evidence of black market arms dealing as a shift disease.
Carrying Cuban military equipment.
On its way to North Korea.
-- -- intercepted the shipments hit in and sugar as a ship headed through the Panama Canal Cuban now claims -- weapon parts are.
Our quote obsolete.
-- -- That's just one question surfacing today the whole episode represents a major international violation.
But what it says about our enemies may be all the more important or so says ambassador John Bolton the former US ambassador to the UN.
And a Fox News contributors ambassador could get an idea a few weapon -- -- Sugarman a ton net bracket I think that's what Cuba is essentially saying.
I ink -- -- away they're that they're totally obsolete we're what do you make of that.
Right well I think obviously the first cover was hiding it under all those bags of sugar and the Panamanians.
And sees -- Based on intelligence probably given by -- part of what's called the proliferation security initiative which was set up that ten years ago and then in the Bush Administration so.
It's a good example of how you can work with other countries to stop this illicit trafficking and dangerous weapons but when you hear the Cubans quickly admit.
That it's it's really old weapons parts for sending them to North Korea for repair leads me to think that that's there.
That's second to cover story sometimes and clandestine operations when your first cover story is blown.
You have a second cover story that admits the reality I think there's more to learn here.
And I think in any event it it shows that there's ongoing commerce between.
The likes a rogue states like Cuba and North Korea probably Iran probably others.
See just -- on my next question how often do you think this is actually happening.
More often -- we know at least according to press reports the ship involved here North Korean ship.
Turned off -- said transponder that beacon that allows people to know where it is used for emergencies.
But when you turn it off that obviously enhances the prospects for smuggling and traveling in international waters -- detected.
I think there's a lot of that going on for example with -- -- and and other tankers that are lifting oil and violation of US and UN sanctions and and a whole range of other smuggling operations as well.
What do you think big picture.
These two countries are -- -- and who else do you think are involved.
Well I think there is a common technology here of Soviet era mig planes scud missile.
Technology whether this was going to North Korea for their use or whatever the story is I don't believe.
Cuba ships parts to North Korea to be repaired and shipped back to be just as easy to bring north Koreans to Cuba to fix it there.
So that's why I suspect there's a lot more to learn here and what it shows is that there's unfortunately an effective black market.
Commerce that has developed among the rogue states to help them in matters of weapons undoubtedly -- money laundering and the shipment of other.
Sensitive materials as well.
When we mention that this is a violation.
But whats the consequence was a consequence and you know catching the Cubans doing nest.
On the ship headed to North Korea.
Well I think with respect to the Cubans anybody who thinks we ought to lift the Cuban embargo ought to think again this is an argument for strengthening the embargo.
Likewise with North Korea they did the notion that we're got to negotiate the north out of its nuclear weapons program.
To me is dead on arrival this is a dangerous regime.
And one that we ought to be working.
Harder with China and others.
Frankly to change to bring down to get to the reunification of the Korean Peninsula it's arduous work but otherwise we're gonna see this kind of activity just extend out infinitely.
-- certainly -- a surprising story and surprising -- take that as you point out ambassador probably happening more often.
And we think -- talk about ambassador to great to have you as always thank you.
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