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54 thank you so much for being here today first -- -- wedged into the verdict because I was.
Much -- government.
And I agree with me.
And was there any change in the evidence and the testimony that really came out -- you.
I think the things admit that I focused on when I was when like when I was -- mobile group on the liberation was the than the non -- phone call.
Did pick up on some things -- -- virtual strip tells.
-- -- very -- Martin's phone records her or her opponent which is when the Republican.
The of course -- -- -- is the friend that -- Marc was talking to right before -- -- and cellphone correct you have got.
And the year when recycle your witnesses the ones that heard noises which when Moses -- -- Help me fill a gap.
And -- a couple the eyewitnesses.
And I think but I think the one thing ended that that stands out the most to lose his interest.
Houston to new measures and what did you think -- neighbor John -- testimony talked about anime style ground and pound.
Yeah I mean you know what I what I got from that was it was just emotions that -- -- You know whether it was -- pounder Eminem and you know.
That didn't it was -- relevant to me it was just the emotions and in the fact that Ubisoft on topic -- on the bottom.
I think those were more relevant features of his testimony.
Did you -- -- Sentelle was credible.
I think -- that I did have some good to pick up some credible information from Herman Julia do you think you're credible and whose place he think was on a 911 call.
Personally I can't tell you who was.
But from bill witnesses' testimonies.
And from the entries include food towards -- I believe to be.
You believe that it was Johnson has been so you would have put it not guilty correct.
What did you think of -- -- set manager who spoke out did you see that interview.
Like I did -- -- real surprised that anybody could come up that quickly and then talk about this.
I know that when I when I got done and released and was asked about what I thought.
I mean you know we're start and I know what to say.
And social surprised that she came -- -- -- did.
Come on she's not surprised that -- -- might -- -- that was her became but.
Just think it was -- -- -- -- And what's your reaction to all the protest demonstrations and talks -- a civil rights complaint now.
Yeah I I just don't understand this -- right complain about I didn't see any evidence there.
That and then in the courtroom that -- thank everybody believe there's some rights case from this.
The protest you know the people are going to be angry no matter what the -- was.
And ultimately do about that.
So and so -- -- peaceful and and that he you know we just -- it.
There's common core investor can.
You know and and there's not destruction not hatred not.
You know a lot anger towards the the jurors.
I know from the -- perspective you know we talked about some of -- he witnesses whether it be John good or Richardson tapped some clue.
Do you -- the key witnesses.
Well I think.
One key witness to me was.
George Sherman during the night and I'm not a vertical and -- far -- -- that was -- that was there was a direct evidence of what he was doing I was values.
And and I think that was key.
Mentality of the time.
-- there was a lot of emphasis on.
I'm on whether he was showing bill will spoil your hatred.
And I didn't see that there's no evidence to support and that that phone call.
So you get to -- profiling started to your profile.
Numbers -- worked I think he characterized.
Colonel Martin hesitate.
Suspect that there's a software -- a suspicious character commission suspicious.
Person in the hall.
Can anyone else has had.
Another that -- the key thing for me was he trying.
The original -- tells.
Two when she was on the phone with the with but trademark and you know you can't really.
You really you can't you can't say what she was saying win except who except for one the phone disconnected.
And -- you call back in contention and you talk talk talk him again.
At that point very much have you lost a man and he was.
This is -- fall respect.
-- at that place.
At the same time of the of that that that happening George Zimmerman who's had only just got out of his car offered up for the partners.
So -- -- if you still up the entity.
And try to run Corning was torn should push on tells Hillary -- first.
How many women don't would have been an immigrant from buildings at that point -- some help those who got back together up that -- -- -- -- and you know we don't know how that happened but.
And then and then -- all likelihood.
In my mind.
Even if George Sherman had walked out of work trailer was they both walked back -- So that would imply that -- -- -- called children back up.
And Georgian and didn't walk down there and -- while walking up back up in the -- -- there's present very severe witnesses heard noises up there most here -- unseasonably warm -- -- noises which color correction.
But but the majority haven't had the noises come from talking to you down to the -- we're we're John it's all.
And weigh in on the ground and then and then -- -- Avon park -- -- -- and -- and I believe.
And -- you have said that -- was.
-- -- -- I believe it was German because he had.
Religion -- -- jacket that he had.
Tying all those together and the injuries that George -- -- That's right that's all right I came to my conclusion.
-- trust viable.
-- 37 criticize and -- unfair.
Not going back to his car when he had to think that that that Kennedy you know there's there's there's.
I was stopped at a red and you know he was he was started I think -- the time he was trying to keep an observation and communicate to the police.
And was not pick -- occasional.
Hit a right to be where it was and and you know I don't have.
How confident -- you think he had an electrical when doctor Val took a stand the medical examiner fullest on their mind.
I was trying to figure out what -- go along with you know it.
A good guy and his -- his expertise I understand he can't understand that the American -- remember.
Autopsy just from two years ago or -- year ago.
Everyone there -- -- that they do I would think I would think that he would prepare himself better with a note from his autopsy rather than spending time researching.
Why people can't remember things could that was relevant relevant.
So I was confused about about what I don't know about all that with them.
And that's part of the -- I thought my my -- thing where there are there witnesses that confused you just as much.
America should remember this from him.
-- -- -- -- haven't had DNA going to all the DNA I was sent have to follow the -- -- understand your as far as posting those focused on a -- look at look at for the evidence from looking for what's there come.
And special night it was it was sort of -- back from him.
Was it tough to look at some of the -- since -- I'm Martin's body.
Listening to this I don't want calls.
You know the screaming and whether it was -- more Zimmerman.
-- In for me it wasn't.
I was -- it was just focused on.
Problem what I was hearing -- seeing and then -- not.
What it was not who was.
Did you ever look over at the families when all that was gone on now.
But obviously yeah.
So what was -- -- respect.
-- respect from.
The you know -- -- enough for them systems.
And you know understand the right to be looking at changing over reacting.
It is our panel in Orlando Diana tennis in San Francisco Jim Hammer and here in Washington Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams took first you because you set.
Through much of the trial -- some of the -- on the enough.
Plus Richard drew huge problem not -- -- ultimate jury is not a factor I had -- of what is ultimate jury has -- -- was -- observance of the jurors.
All -- I think.
He called it the way he -- -- I mean he'd draw poker specifically don't -- injuries.
All right he apparently you can see huge dog looked if you stand -- -- portion of it is -- -- Our I don't help off problem which -- shirt or Greta did a lot.
And the defense had to present evidence it is jury.
They've presented evidence some conservatives are very flimsy and should be candid which I don't -- some conservatives should've come again but to jurors did their job properly.
Diana you're also on there I'm listing -- this jury think he's paid attention was weighing the evidence -- think he's anyway irresponsible or anything else their respect for him or not.
I'm Y I it's not anything not respected juror so that's a tough question Greta I think kudos to -- -- -- either way I think.
I think when you get beat the fresh perspective and -- adjourn keep in mind this is not somebody -- had -- Advantage of poring through thirteen hours worth of reviewing the evidence and every single tape and every single.
Video of that -- at the regular jury got to go through -- this guy put all this together alone without anybody else.
Helping with his memory -- respect over -- are assisting has.
Recollection anyway so I think that's pretty impressive I think it's important for us to see.
These jurors perspective the first jury that came out.
I thought she seemed a bit racially biased and just give me a substance assumption she made about -- on Martin and his motivation and what he was up -- This sure really seem to focus on.
Just kind of here is what the evidence was this was the pieces of the puzzle I had I didn't hear from him anything that -- me and -- he thought.
But that trade on -- be blamed for anything of -- being that he was up to no good or anything like that.
I'm hoping that the more the public hears about this the more they'll -- that there is there's validity that this was a -- for a reasonable conclusion this -- -- your thoughts listen to this all furniture.
The one thing emphasizing Greta you've made this point is this is one of the jurors that the prosecution picked.
So for all the grousing about this jury this was a person handpicked by the prosecutor in this case.
And having listened to one.
You know there's evidence in the case there's a walk there's also some jurors take sides -- the -- the day do they think that if and it's culpable because the guilty guy -- to quote this guy he said.
I don't think that as a -- was being confrontational.
And he didn't have to go back to -- at a -- where he was at the end of the day this juror.
Didn't find fault with him and he thought -- -- a law abiding citizen he took the side -- government and that's one of the big reasons the prosecution losses if the DA failed to convince this jury at least.
That it was it -- fault.
And of course he added fact that he -- is it that he believed -- of I was on top of the defendant.
And that yes keep any of any was ever paid attention to the injuries at George Sherman had -- -- very heavily on his dot Bernice.
Great comments by the panel but the one that struck me the most compelling.
It's Ted's comment what -- he thinks he knows exactly who this -- -- -- it's man they're 61 of the manager -- I'll I'll -- -- yeah it's it's been good to have that right yeah idiots like you have a problem that's not the it's already hit Tony I think pig you're this tag didn't -- religion that I did a W tonight thank god you know who they say is yeah.
How would have gotten off this is fascinating read yes and it was so so Coleman there's no amnesty to Hitler but -- -- -- -- -- This is fascinating to get inside the mine average -- people to say jurors don't pay pay attention.
This guy knew every single detail he remembered testimony was -- -- -- credibility and it's just simply fascinating that this guy came to work and whether you like the murder or not I think -- said -- last week didn't -- the winners in this case nobody wins in this case.
But this juror.
Believes he would have done the verdict any.
Did its homework and I think all of the jury is to listen and to wait in the facts and not listen to the noise or the emotion -- passion -- I have people genuinely feel because of his enticed -- -- is -- death but this -- was actually very just fashion -- -- so far we've only heard facts.
He's very very objective didn't think somebody's a liar and like it when that person look that certainly would evaluate but I thought -- I mean he really did his homework is very didn't do you get the sense to I thought that's strange turns in order order -- burned ground but I I'll -- later.
All I felt he was crowded -- and what I liked about this was everybody's been dumping all the rage -- -- And admit he's -- -- and phone call to be credible.
And I think that when you look at that -- this is where.
This question mark your world trade brawn is either coming towards -- womanizer Norman his company toward the dog could -- That appears to be a lot of confusion with the juror Linda.
The incident by Richard -- Intel I thought it says she actually didn't hurt the defense and -- that's it for me she was -- -- -- who serve at you know instinct -- and should purse on the witness stand but not atypical -- All -- a lights on the witness and shouldn't hurt him I thought at all.
-- -- We're somewhat broad and -- -- adjourned until October of that was -- it's up to about thought that he.
Lord -- -- when he started talking about education and.
Gingrich actually and I don't know -- horrible -- -- -- tactic a strategy whatever but her what she said was.
Evidence and perhaps she didn't seem damage I think she heard the defense I was and that.
No I mean is there a lot of commentators that she's the star witness I don't see how she's -- star witness and Burton for our viewers at home because you call that person first.
Doesn't mean this your star witness someone may -- sort of outstanding dramatic -- some other you know aspect of the stands -- doesn't mean the start was it what you say but I -- to take quick break panel stay with us it's.
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