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-- -- -- is Michelle you know sometimes every once and a great great well and ignorant person will call me.
Sometimes it in the south sometimes from the north but we got a guy here chuck Thompson.
Author of comic travel -- -- a smile when you're lying in.
The hell holes and back in to the two volume World War II survey put in my best World War II site -- -- and but now he's written.
Better off without him.
A northern manifesto for southern secession.
And Jackie did -- -- he actually spent time in the -- right in researching.
I've spent a lot of time in the south -- and I've got relatives in the south Lebanon traveling -- -- responsibility -- for this book in particular.
Yeah I took about two years traveling.
All over the felt every single southern state -- spent some -- -- I'm if I'm from the south I'm from the South Shore of Long Island so I kind of -- Yet another event.
But but so give me the -- on what we are better off in your view without -- there are secessionist.
Who think they're better off without us.
-- I do think we're better off without them.
Part of the book was calling the bluff funnies -- southern whiners -- are always bitching and moaning about defeating.
And I thought well -- it will happen if we actually did the fact of the matter is.
You know what I found is that this other states have been operating.
Like their own country -- -- society basically going back to the seventeen hundreds and all that.
Fundamental sort of building block way that you put together society which I cut into different chapters and I defined as.
You know -- education.
Religion commerce politics of race relations.
Through chapter -- football because -- thought that was actually important but but they.
Look at the -- southerners approached sort of setting up their states their societies it is fundamentally different.
In all of.
Oh look at Evan and I just an anti just -- mean Rick Perry signed this -- very restrictive most restrictive anti abortion legislation.
Out of sync with the rest of the country.
Well the whole south is out of sync with the rest of the country and that's why.
You know the is that there's such an obstructionist movement by southerners in Washington and that's why you know going back traveling you want to go in American history.
There's been this great cultural divide.
And this animosity and that's.
Friction and tension and then.
The point in my book is not so much a pejorative measure that you know succeeding from the south it's like a -- -- -- I honestly think it these -- societies.
You know it's difficult to operate.
-- society based on sort of protein secular law and another society that likes to put there.
Society together on terms of Bible liberalism.
And I think that we're in a situation that we need to have an -- amicable divorce in order to save the children from becoming the same dysfunctional Rex.
They are serious about this or this is -- like this -- -- a humor book.
Welcome humor -- and I admit there's there's a swift yet element at play here I'm I'm a realist I know that this is not going to happen overnight there's some difficult parts of it.
Particularly economics -- -- -- and Rick Perry he's sort of been getting a little bit of play as well this week for his country that that -- the stereotype that he's living up to as the rude crude obnoxious -- -- -- cultured.
Gore who -- still business at least.
Well I think he's playing into the stereotype truth of the matter is.
With with that -- you know where he's going out courting businesses in California New York's they had -- -- Texas.
We won't charge you taxes we've we've got a great business environment which includes -- race to the bottom.
How low can we undercut the competition business strategy that he's pursuing out in the open -- been standard business practice from the -- several decades and that's.
It's what led Q did you know bankrupting of the auto industry and they are -- I guess -- -- bankrupted in Michigan.
And the midwest parts manufacturers -- that movie -- all bounce up it's happening in the aeronautics industry as well in the.
Here -- refer to the south and southerners as a coalition of bought and paid for political swamps -- for the most uneducated morbidly obese racist.
Morally indigent -- -- socially stunted and generally -- back which part of the country if they elect -- them.
Well I added -- I didn't -- -- -- yet -- -- they -- that the well had been accused of that's been one of the that's what most quoted lines begins to put -- -- -- -- it up by dissident you're a little.
Have obvious hyperbole look if you read into the book.
Look I'm not looking at this -- that this the monolithic culture now be greeting rednecks in fact that it's actually a minority culture they keep elevating -- map reading rednecks in the places that significance in their in their society and particularly in political round.
But the fact is you know this other states are are nuanced in many ways that any thinking person would agree with the but the fact of the matter is -- get -- -- looking at how that.
The states operate how they fund education the hyper religiosity that's still -- at southern states on its just not in step with the rest of the country and it's hurting the rest of the country as well.
Right so you have so is really just he's one of the -- whichever religion of course.
And of course the the evangelicals but there are evangelicals are not specific just of the south right or some of these.
Thoughts and and beliefs also located elsewhere in the country.
Well look of course.
That's the -- kick back -- bullet there's a racist in the north there's.
There's religious Kooks in the northbound from Alaska we go one of the blue balls you know government religious connection to a -- the last ten years but the fact of the matter is that.
This -- other states are the only part of the country where there exists a -- plurality of votes along religious lines.
Quick example if you go with Hayden or general Alaska Wyoming and you're going to be a single or double issue candidate -- I was going to be against abortion I'm against gays.
Of people in any state.
Went bye -- in the south you can do that and expect.
Electoral success and that's -- we see that kind of kept getting -- -- Mark Sanford who you know in spite of his.
-- avalanche and French trail love -- trip that he took nevertheless.
Was reelected -- they were elected Democrat over a Republican even as a Republican was as flawed as Mark Sanford.
That's right it's it's an obstructionist culture.
Is just simply wants to be against.
You know what the rest of the country is doing it's it's a perception.
The liberal progressive agenda that they've been fighting against the literally.
But the thing that amazed began researching this book -- very much wanted to avoid the kind of historical.
Angle and all that everybody has to happen and that's.
You know during the civil right -- I had not much to add to that a civil war etc.
but the fact is that you go back and look into the record you can see speeches that.
That's southern politicians were making during the continental congress states.
Not the wanting to join the union are beyond the very same grounds that they are objecting to today where we're not going to get -- -- with a -- of atheists.
With a bunch is immoral liberal I -- exact same rhetoric it's phenomenal.
Hasn't changed -- -- in Charleston, South Carolina go ahead and -- of course a regular listener hours and a southerner I'm guessing from -- South Carolina go -- night.
Yeah oh yeah I've lived all over the south I've lived all over the north I mean I've been all of this country from one corner of the other not just -- -- your guest here.
You know like the first somehow window I would -- tags in August driving down the road no problem -- but -- little pear tartan.
What the problems matter back Cadillac that a bunch of people drop -- in Europe.
You -- -- -- -- what I've found -- I think you might agree with me when -- come to find out its speed but is that it stupid everywhere wherever you're -- that matter here.
-- in another country now here's my question for it.
Seriously tongue in cheek.
There's no way in a war.
Seriously and -- the opposite of the allied allied to conundrum -- it -- -- just go well seriously just yet seriously -- NG.
I guarantee you laden get another offer -- write the same book.
About the people I've met in upstate Pennsylvania upstate New York everywhere across this country.
You know I understand awaited they've got things gerrymandered president jury rigged get a point that doesn't make any control the voting I apparatus without a computer.
-- probably -- so you know.
Please don't ever write it saw as a group because certain much a liberal like that -- -- than that put mr.
And went for Obama and harder -- -- this -- -- look stupid might be everywhere but stupid is more -- centralized or at least uneducated let me repeat let me clarify is more accountable -- -- in the south because so that they.
Have a related to education to public education know that you can flatten out you really wanna go over that line -- -- thrown out of work.
All right let's say yeah like yeah -- let him let him finish his thought here if.
States nurse not a single southern state that pays above that the average.
Four K through twelve student education public education the typical apparatus for funding public schools in this country are property taxes.
Like the typical.
Arkansas person paid like 512 dollars and property tax Kentucky's 651 and looking at an a Lister what you're doing at 638.
-- -- higher and you've got -- security at 2620006.
2000 exactly five per student Wyoming 2385%.
Almost four times more and gets what the spending on publication roughly not exactly but roughly corresponds with long term academic performance.
-- uneducated you know the problem himself because southern states for centuries have refused.
To recognize public education as a moral virtue and at the responsibility of the states now one thing about the book I'm not writing off.
President -- not a lot of great -- this is not about people being good or bad this is about people choosing.
To they're society and fundamentally different way -- and I know that about that don't play on this article concrete out about the people.
That's a whole different the equipment that rappers and any given state is not the people.
But he relaxed and -- -- collects these people actually True Blue looks and.
To really get anything.
And the crime does Saddam think that we the people at this sacred part of government -- -- or not you're actually right about that significant everything really to -- that mr.
courts -- And now like to see what global map.
Our MF global they're of course but -- -- and I mean you know what you don't like that where that's not my twelfth or one point eight at southern states are setting up their society.
In intrinsically different ways in and the whole thing -- -- the rest of the country.
All right I gotta fight it -- without prop -- open or doubt any Wall Street Journal review by Barton swinging and I thought it made some good points thing on your book when he said.
Who would serve in the US military currently constituted disproportionately.
Who fight and I -- the confederate flag and for the Americans.
Now look that's a joke there's plenty.
You know they're -- the message that southerners disproportionately represented.
The US military personnel that's not really true it's been true in the past.
On the southern that the template defined itself that the couple roughly has about 13 of the population of this country.
And at any given time about 35 to 38% of the US military is made up of southerners in the past it has been a little bit higher.
That's not really the case -- -- plurality of northerners in the in the military.
We didn't read the book as a joke.
I knows but I'd you know it's the south and north this -- Who would get the name America.
With a -- today would -- -- America within the American.
We're gonna have a giant the college football low blood -- which will be bigger than the Super Bowl to north south -- finally.
-- -- and then what does that have to come up with another -- -- -- country right.
Olympic and they'll be a confederate states of America no question about that's what you want that's what they -- to be -- get to keep they're done that's racist wagons and.
Why -- up so you kind of wish to civil war never.
And it would -- and ended differently you know waited it should've just.
We should've had a -- right then and separated the country.
Well not necessarily wishing for that and I'm not one of these people that does this sort of counter factual history examination I'm looking at the situation now and I really did.
-- -- you talk about the history of this a little bit but for the most part this book.
Is very much an examination of what southern culture and so other states are doing right now and so you know it's not really about the civil war in dredging up these old.
Yeah I understand.
Well -- is a better off without him in northern manifesto for southern secession chuck Thompson.
And check I think you -- very much for spirited -- conversation your time thanks for being on show.
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