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Reputed Boston crime boss James Whitey Bulger.
As we get an update on a story that broke during this hour yesterday authorities are now working to determine the cause of death of 59 year old Stephen stiff -- -- He was on the -- -- witness list until very recently to testify against Bolger.
His body was found the day after prosecutors informed him he would not be taking the stand.
This comes as tempers -- in the courtroom when Bolger comes face to face with a former partner for the first time in decades.
Let's bring in former federal prosecutor Fred TC and criminal defense attorney actually -- welcome to both of you.
Thanks -- -- -- all right so that's -- Saying that the mysterious death first Fred I mean at first the supposition was that this had to be some kind of a mob hit or something I guess right.
I guess we can only speculate and that probably doesn't do anybody any good until until be a cause of death is officially announced.
But the fact is this.
I was on the witness list and then was told no we don't need your testimony.
You know JC -- I was a fellow prosecutor but I wasn't a doctor but I can tell you -- members of the mob -- people who testify against the mob.
Often suffer from two very serious ailments one of them -- lead poisoning.
And the elements of this disease it's nice to call hole Telesis which means it had more holes than than than they were supposed to interestingly.
This guy had neither.
So they don't know why he died shows.
This guy -- under the most unlucky man in the world war there are still members of that gang running around out there who want to send a message to people they if you stand against us.
You're going to be trouble.
Well I guess -- actually will no law once we get the autopsy results I mean.
There is even speculation that he might have committed serious suicide in disappointment over not being allowed to testify.
Against the guy who he claims stiffed him of his business basically stole his extort it is.
Liquor store out from under him so that there Whitey Bulger could use it.
As money laundering operation.
Right and friends -- right I mean this could be some sour folks from his group from his gang.
That are still that still have something against the sky and just want to send a message that if you are -- this is what's gonna happen -- They -- might be something where someone has a something against white ball over and they are trying to make it look like he's still in the business even know.
He's not speaking of rats there was quite an exchange in the courtroom yesterday Fred where.
-- his long time cohort and confident apparently.
Testified that that Whitey Bulger was -- wrap himself that he was in on hundreds of conversations with the LA BI.
Reporting on other criminal gangs.
How does the testimony get received in sifted out by the jury when the guy who's testifying.
Is a -- himself.
Well John you know when your prosecuted those -- the people you have to put on the witness stand and -- nice to tell -- all the time and I'm -- actually able.
Take shots at my witnesses and as as any good defense lawyer would.
But used to put people on the witness stand all the time -- at the -- juries look.
You wanna know about plumbing you call a plumber you -- -- -- about electricity.
Call electrician you -- and are about a -- -- mob group you need to put a murderous mob group person on the witness stand.
Why -- -- -- these people as his friends and we put them on you know when you're the prosecutor unfortunately priests rabbis and -- Don't usually join the -- and show up this trial witnesses -- Actually the if if this guy it was a wrapped for the FBI this this so witness who testified against Bolger.
Why is he not getting some kind of protection now.
You know he's serving a life sentence at this point he really has nothing to -- news.
By testifying against Sam and so -- -- I think it's a power play it's like hey you know I'm here because of things you did so I'm gonna -- you and the worst thing that you can do at this point I mean everybody knows that Whitey -- going to get convicted.
So the worst thing that can happen is to go to prison labeled our -- And so there's they're taken some blows it -- before he goes down for these crimes to label him a rat when he's in prison.
Pretty interesting seven.
84 year old former.
Boss I guess.
Very and they are able to give them more cushy cell octogenarian mob figures frantic -- threatened to -- -- his -- for a -- I think this is there world there this is kind of their last her -- getting to do this again in the world is watching.
For an DC nationally merchant thank you both they -- -- me tell you we can't have.
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