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A former police officer turned private investigator -- -- -- George -- is defense he's paid a 15100.
125 dollars an hour by the defense.
Zimmerman team calling Dennis -- as an expert in self defense.
But -- cross examination prosecutors trying to turn the tables.
There are always.
Options and every forces that.
It's just a matter what you as an individual seasoning your options.
Aren't that easy options -- you while.
Well I mean if we go down -- path where he was the one vocal I think he did scream for help -- -- assistance from other people there are other options.
He obviously continue to try to resist he was doing as you know that.
I guess they refer to as the training technique trying to get and move around.
You know as far as trying inclusion I don't know what else he could have done based on his abilities because.
Not defense ministers -- -- and doesn't seem to have any.
Denis -- -- just nice to see you -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Now you -- not a fact witness -- and expert witness which means that you're allowed to give an opinion.
What the opinion and that you gave to the -- -- if -- -- narrow it down.
Well I had to be very cautious -- what I said to the jury my overall opinion.
Was that based on everything I have reviewed I have determined that.
Zimmerman had not violated any -- -- statute and the use of deadly force in this event was considered to be objectively reasonable.
Unfortunately I couldn't actually say that the jury so I had to relate the information the best I could of providing them with insight into how the event unfolded.
Another reason that he would not be allowed to do that because that's the ultimate issue whether or not that cabinet would be the jury's job and not yours I suppose that's why the junior you are committed -- that.
But as I understand he testified that -- by -- was capable of physically overtaking.
George Zimmerman despite the weight differential is with that one of your opinions.
Oh absolutely -- based on everything I had seen and I've learned about both of the individuals.
During my review of the evidence in this case I came to that conclusion.
What did -- have been equally true though that George Zimmerman was physically capable to overtake -- -- on -- when the flip side be true in your opinion.
When you say physically capable you know I have to take into consideration everything I know about the gentleman.
Weight wise is the argument you could uses a comparison in that regard based on his background training and everything I learned about him.
I didn't think he'd have the physical powers to overtake trip on Martin.
What is it that you knew about George Simmons physical abilities or lack there what are you reveal -- specifically.
I did biggest.
Source of information of the greatest source of information that I had was from the gym owner that actually assist him in training.
And develop the programs for him to lose the weight and try to get into some other physical type training programs.
24 weight loss and skill development.
And he was the greatest source where I learned that.
Zimmerman in fact was not progressing in any of the physical courses.
That tune -- to become a witness did you reach out originally to the defense and -- -- ever reach out to the prosecution -- -- just the defense.
Reached out to the defense.
There is -- done that is a -- reached out to.
And I had determined in this case that I felt that mr.
Zimmer -- have not violated the law I would be able to assist the defense anyway.
Whereas by reaching out to the defense.
And I come to the conclusion that he.
-- say I decided that he had violated the law I -- walked away and not hindered the case anyway but when I reviewed the case and I learned that.
Now my opinion he had not violated the law I was able to render assistance.
I but it usually the way it works is that you get hired by by a party defense -- prosecution.
They didn't give you the material to review it and you render any opinion and you rendered your opinion before you reviewed the material that the defense gave him.
Oh absolutely not.
I reached out to the defense we had conversations about my background training and experience.
They selected me as being -- use of force expert that they were going to -- during this case and then they provided me with all of this that.
Excuse me the discovery in this case.
Dennis thank you very much for joining us.
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