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-- the alarm on jobs the unemployment rate rising and 28 states last month.
Now new designs -- the -- to get worse.
Of small businesses say they're planning to either -- hours.
We're actually fire workers because of the health care a lot more proof the lot delivers a negative prognosis for -- jobs recovery.
Hi everyone I've read about this is bulls then -- let's get ride Q it is bad this week he Gary -- -- Tracy Byrnes -- next fairest.
John Layfield along with that and -- -- everybody a -- John.
Is the health care a lot making the job market neck.
Yes absolutely but what the job market wants is certainly we've got no certainty what this law third talk about trying to fix the law.
Your talk about fixing something that hadn't been able -- why did you pass something broke to begin win.
That's the problem we have that's what 34 -- state dropping out of the state exchanges 24 of fifty states.
Have said they -- -- of the Medicaid expansion because they simply can't afford it and small businesses around the country are saying if we -- -- an extra 5000 dollars per employee.
This eats into our -- -- is bad enough we can't afford it and that is the problem that you haven't small businesses right now America which create most the jobs.
That's -- -- can that's a good point they they are the job creators the engine of job creation what does it say that small businesses are not optimistic about their hiring plans -- They're firing workers.
Well a first of all small businesses in the US chamber of commerce crowing about more regulations and more -- and it.
That that's kind of like that's kind of like the rooster crowing about the sun the sun rise and it -- That's sort of a default setting that if you look at the study closely -- fascinating to me is that 50% of the business or -- Look we're actually not going to make any changes do you go to -- -- -- -- if you look particularly.
At small businesses that are right -- that fifty employee.
Mark where you actually have to -- mandated -- the care.
That the health insurance 76%.
Of them said.
We're actually changing -- how hard plans at all -- we're just gonna go and ride right through that Padilla fifty employee mark and and live with -- -- But the fact it's an uncomfortable fact but they're gonna live -- Okay go ahead Tracy I think that's sort of ran out on -- I talk to them every day.
They're not seizing their plans because they're not gonna do anything there in like stagnant mode -- you make the cost of something more expensive.
Corporations don't use it so.
What we're doing here is making the cause of employment more expensive corporations are not gonna do -- small businesses are not hiring and what they are and we saw in the last jobs report.
Part timers we have a ton of part time employees out there.
And they're not turning themselves into full full time employees because that's not what businesses want they don't want -- deal with obamacare well -- BD this.
-- tell you that hiring will go down with obamacare mean what Tracy was basically talking about is that taxes and that.
Exactly Tracey makes a great point the logic of waves that Obama care tax if you will.
Will not affect hiring is is baffling to me look.
When the government wants you to drink less alcohol what do they do they -- attacks on when they want -- -- -- the highway slower what do they do they put -- tax on -- -- that's.
Leading tickets when they want you to use less gasoline what do they do they put a tax on it.
And all that works and that's fine so now reporting a tax on business -- -- A way to socket it's not going to affect behavior.
It just did this.
-- to -- the -- here in half to affect behavior in that same serve right.
70% of those small businesses.
Via that chamber of commerce says it was gonna negatively.
Impact they're hiring I think it's going to be.
-- -- Okay add genocide against you in a minute but I wanna let the -- have a chance to response novice.
Well look let's say -- and listen Gary B I love you babe but you gotta think bigger about this decades ago.
When the government started saying we want workplaces to guarantee the safety of their workers.
I am sure that bosses and business people like us sat around tables like this one and complain while they wants to guarantee the safety of our workers and what a pain in the butt.
This is just reality.
Now I stand by don't like I didn't hear companies -- an assurance of help.
It did affect companies lots of factories complain when we said look you need to pass and it costs -- -- jobs.
And about six.
The cost of moving money creating has decided it's fair for everybody I picked out.
Then there's it's scary because -- -- should point.
The government taxes to cigarettes gas -- less of it.
But they reversed tax health -- the company can give you 20000 our health care plan and it's a tax free bonus so we consume more health care that's one of the problems we had health care.
Before Obama care.
Unfortunate is not totally going away so it's not like it's a great system -- -- we over consumer healthcare by your same logic -- the negative taxation of the plan.
As far as the hiring could could be a benefit here where yeah we're gonna go to look part time workers what's so wrong about a flexible workforce for everybody is not a guarantee full time job and for hours and always benefits like -- if we have more now I'm workers only have a lower unemployment rate if they kick people off full time so they can avoid.
Apple obamacare hit me -- didn't have to make up but those hours my heart.
Yeah OK okay yeah.
In Tracy Gary and I let Tracy take this last.
And have kids well they -- have fun then that would benefit that and they get good sleep at night.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- We want people have full time work we -- -- -- have John security going to spend money in the economy what I did do Obama part timer I don't I.
I don't know I don't know what's next week Lamy off -- -- and if there ever a lot of -- was working.
They wouldn't have pushed off the employer mandate they wouldn't be talking about pushing up the individual mandate -- Don't realize that it's a mess -- don't accept that you you after few if she where -- union -- basically.
They argue those that can't happen at any benefit those things union want to what you wanted to workforce is not having the burden employee employer with health care pensions -- case.
Job security amount of hours a week you wanna -- flexible workforce that you could fire well -- the opposite of Europe and that's how you were unemployment rate.
Well I want things that are about birds don't mark okay dot jump -- here.
Our heart trouble legs that are battling comparing this to Hillary -- at Carnegie steel mills -- working guys twelve -- today comparing that -- offering free pizza from this administration.
That is completely apples and oranges and saying that it's good that you -- people who forty hours back to 28 the building -- flexible workforce.
No it increases poverty in the United States is what it does look this thing is broken it was pass broken and the -- way they're selling it right now the site.
We're gonna force this companies companies because they make too much money apparently to give rebates to individual Americans look it's more free pizza I guess for -- after apple and Google -- and forcing them to give back their profits to.
This is insane.
I think it has to hurt the economy just like everybody else it's the -- talked about you know stuff like -- environmental regulations OSHA stuff like that.
That was a tax actually he looked it might have made.
In our our rock our world a better I'm not -- argue that but did it hurt the economy sit her -- -- those are cost are absorbed by companies.
By industries by individuals that they otherwise would not happen -- -- We're not talking Jonas -- point whether you know health care was better or worse now we're talking about the marginal cost to the employers the marginal cost they employers -- most cases.
That is -- tax one lane isn't all that stuff back that the company's hard.
Yeah 34 of fifty states have opted out of the state exchanges at that UnitedHealth are getting out of places like California because they simply can't make any money at it.
This lie about the fact -- keep your insurance not gonna happen.
OK well let Brenda.
Brenda I think I think we have to point out though that we just had news this week that new York and a lot of other states who discovered guess what health insurance premiums are gonna go down thanks to these exchanges it's not your -- -- -- as much does not believe that and yet nobody nor does have complete anomaly that look at Californians have -- 150%.
Okay that's -- -- last sort guys thank you.
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