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Let -- be useful for us to examine.
Some state and and local laws to see if it.
If there are.
Designed in such a way that they may encourage.
The -- altercations and confrontations and treasures that we saw.
In the Florida case rather than diffuse.
President Obama yesterday speaking out on the George Zimmerman verdict.
Following attorney general Eric holder's remarks -- the NAACP annual convention earlier this week.
We must stand program.
To ensure that our laws reduce violence -- take a hard look at laws that contribute.
To more violence than they prevent.
Whitney Virginia congressman and member of the Congressional Black Caucus Bobby Scott -- Virginia Beach.
And outside counsel for the NRA Steven how -- good evening gentlemen.
Congressman all -- -- you when the president.
They decided to say what he said.
That created somewhat.
Controversy many people thinking that.
-- -- Basically.
Inflaming the upcoming protests and some people thinking it was the exact moment for it to happen but say you.
Well yeah there's going to be an ongoing -- protests because of the situation where our young man.
Obviously Aniston gets.
-- scandals -- and and then then iced tea.
Walking home ends up dead the question on -- stand your ground clauses as the attorney general indicated whether they add to violence or detract from violence.
Well whatever race they already have personal interrupt you for a second.
Are you want -- the president saying that the jury got it wrong here that our jury system does not work.
-- that the jury the jury spoke with the question is whether or not this -- work congressman.
It is the best we've got hot sometimes they get right because they -- networks.
Well I'm not -- sometimes they get it right sometimes I get a wrong -- -- if you look at good people being exonerated from death row.
But DNA evidence after the jury verdict came guilt and imposition of death until we can't say they always get -- -- -- -- earlier surges again talking about this case.
Stephen -- -- are here what is the difference.
Between stand your ground.
And self defense a lot of people don't understand that you've written a book on this stuff.
Well it's they're really part of the same thing I notice that the jury in Florida was instructed that you had a right to use deadly force.
If you reasonably feared.
Death or imminent bodily injury.
Whether we have the stand -- ground like did did you try to flee or something and was not in this case because there was no opportunity to flee.
The stand your ground all basically says that if you're your own home or -- replaced free have a a right to be and you -- have not started any kind of altercation.
You can defend yourself this is part of human rights Martin Luther King talked about the right to self defense with weapons.
Being -- moral right recognized in any society.
Are at a wells carried pistols for self defense Medgar Evers did the same.
Okay an -- but congressman I'm gonna go back to you.
Now that the Department of Justice is getting involved in a potential.
Civil rights charge a criminal civil rights charge.
Do you believe that there is evidence of that based upon the and is sworn testimony that came out of the jury trial.
On the quiz the question isn't whether you drive on -- was profiled and pursued because of the race.
That would constitute evidence of a hate crime and that's what the investigation is already going what happened after.
The armed assault him if you listen to the did to that do that do that telephone.
I think feeling constantly and he obviously felt deals under attack just said that warrant anchor crime has been committed what happens after that -- -- exonerate.
If it's not whether it was racially profiled that's whether he was killed as a result of that hatred or bias.
It's not that that's the hard lesson I did the murder charge.
But I use session with the murder -- -- he's been acquitted of murder he's not clearly -- I understand what they're -- the question the question is whether or not he.
Also committed a hate crime and -- and then assault chasing somebody down because of their race.
You don't get exonerated from that crime because subsequent to that something else happens but so are you saying that he was chased down when just about all the witnesses said he was the one on top beating George Zimmerman.
Wells that happened -- the injuries.
What -- you starting the clock at the fight.
I do you get there.
And if -- you've got there by virtue of of them Zimmerman tracking him down because of his race profiling him because of rising minority lead police.
Admonition to stay in your car and track them down.
There's not a hate crime committed -- it was not against the law for him to get out of his car.
Not -- Is that a lot of print out -- the guard is against the lot of track somebody down and put this in fear of their lives well what evidence did you -- of that let me go to you Steve Calvert talked and talked it was about the the issue of that the president basically saying that.
If -- -- had a gun he could have shot Zimmerman.
The president made to remarks that were totally wrong in terms of what the -- isn't in every state in the in the country.
And including in and the stinger ground states.
One is that President Obama said well could mr.
Used a gun and stood his ground and stayed on the sidewalk well of course he -- had he not engaged in behavior that the jury considered to be an assault and and secondly he said.
You you've got.
If he feared that he was being.
Could he use deadly force well remember the jury instruction in the -- is that you have to reasonably fear right.
Great bodily harm or death and of course just a car being in the vicinity or somebody being out of their car that's not a -- fear of of bodily harm or death so.
All right gentlemen -- or come up against a heartbreak -- but very quickly the attorney general saying he wants to change the laws of the individual states what about.
Federalism state laws congressman.
Well did the question is what the stand your ground laws add to authorities self defense you have the right to use reasonable force proportional force.
The problem with the stand your ground laws as they invite.
Vigilante and invite disproportional chores and this -- mentioning this the did you unusual case because you actually had witnesses.
Usually you don't have any witnesses you have a dead body and a story.
Viewed presented to a sympathetic jury congress the other guy -- even out -- I got a hard break here thanks stay with us we'll be right back.
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