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Do you think the public has been purposely misled by assertions that Cincinnati was to blame.
And your response was.
Yes I believe so.
There are more questions than answers that the reaction from a number of lawmakers following yet another hearing into the IRS decision to target conservative groups who requested tax exempt status.
About who knew about what was going on.
Republican congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio had plenty of questions -- hearing -- joins us now live congressman thank you for your time today.
-- to be with you can.
I tell us what you learned today are not not to say that this weekend hearing anything new there -- any new concerns some of that -- for you.
Well yeah I.
I think there were two big takeaways first is this this line about that the White House and others.
This narrative they initially came up with that it was two rogue agents that it was lying people in Cincinnati that was completely dispelled -- -- topic hears testimony.
You know it wasn't just about Cincinnati was about Washington second and probably most important Shannon.
Is we now know this went to the IRS chief counsel's office mr.
Wilkins is a political appointee.
That office looked at these two tip -- Tea Party test cases.
It can be but when when they were recommended that they actually approved one -- -- the other they said no we're not gonna do that and we're gonna take the cases.
From a 48 year veteran of the IRS the expert this -- we're gonna taken from him given to someone who had been at the IRS for four months we're gonna -- -- cases there.
And what they did is as we all know with that ever made decisions and that's how they.
Really harass Tea Party groups is they never gave him -- resolution are closer to their application for taxes and status and we know that now went to.
The chief counsel's office imagining chief counsel IRS William Wilkins he is a political appointee as you noted that is it possible to -- that he did not share with the White House or someone within the Obama administration at some point.
About the specific issue.
Yet we don't know and me you know mr.
Wilkens will be coming in shortly for his deposition for his transcribed interview.
That's where you find out when they're in under oath and we get a chance to ask them questions for for you know long period of time.
That's when you find out these things and others in that -- counsel's office we will bring in we will depose them and then at some point they'll be in front of the full committee.
As a witness in any at congressional hearing so we don't know but we are gonna talk to these folks what we do -- list.
Carter hall 48 year veteran.
Made a recommendation on the -- Tea Party test cases.
One was to approve one was to denies that this guy was playing it straight down -- he was gonna -- one was gonna deny the other once he had decided on his recommendation.
And once he had met with the chief counsel's office.
That's when they took the case -- from him and a -- into a four month.
-- an employee had been the IRS for four months.
That to me shows that there's some kind of influence on the from somewhere denying -- expert a guy who conducted the training courses on how you evaluate taxes indignities.
They -- -- -- from him so.
We need more hearings we need more interviews -- we're gonna do that we're gonna get to the truth.
Okay you mentioned that you're going to speak went presumably under oath William Wilkins who is the chief counsel virus not what he knew about it but who else knew and when.
Any concerns that he would take if that and not testify as we saw the slowest -- another -- RS employee.
Yeah well you're always.
With with what we senior always glad when someone from the IRS doesn't take -- because this seems to be a pattern we've had several now.
Obviously the most high profile one has been lawless -- there's been no indication of that we don't know.
What we do now -- that this government.
Took information about American citizens and use that information to target those very citizens for their political beliefs that's why this is so important.
That's why we're gonna get to the bottom of this no matter how long it takes because it's fundamental to what America's about and it's just just finally wrong what this administration did.
And quickly before -- go any timeline and talking with that mr.
Wilkins and others.
-- it'll be it'll be it'll be soon when he's got brought in for a brought in for an interview I mean that's that's important he's one of the two political appointees.
At the Internal Revenue Service and so it's going to be important to get him -- and it and it it'll be sooner rather than later all right keep us updated congressman Jim Jordan great to see today thank you.
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