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And we just end up back in the United States.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- been called the greatest diplomatic this generation by none other than Henry Kissinger so that's something.
That we take quite seriously ambassador Wisner was a senior State Department diplomat was also the ambassador to Egypt.
And someone whose voice is always licences are we're delighted you're joining us today -- thank you this letter because well it always works.
Hey I want to ask you about -- first.
It's a country you're familiar -- we've negotiated.
With the egyptians you know a lot of the senior political and military leadership was -- a good thing.
That happens as.
If you -- 2.0.
-- unqualified yes.
Parents -- are important a development.
And it's important not only in and of itself but what it means for the United States.
Decision this of -- The outpouring of sentiment by millions and millions of ordinary egyptians all walks of life.
Against the imposition.
Of the theological system.
In the form of Muslim broke the rule.
Is a marking the event in the history the Middle East.
For what egyptians who said to themselves.
And to the world at large we want a civil society.
In which our democratic rights can be respected.
Our voices can be heard or religions can be practiced.
And we can grow up in a free democracy.
That's what it's about and it has worked so for the government that's in place.
Is a government of outstanding individuals.
Who have a terrific record for personal integrity of political acumen.
Egypt's go to -- it's going to be very tough.
To make it there -- huge obstacles but Egypt is on a good track.
And as deputy secretary bill burns put it the other day a second chance at getting a democracy.
Yes I think -- enjoy it's all about the economy that the -- government and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Ran into the ditch and to the point where -- -- have massive inflation.
Large scale unemployment particularly youth unemployment.
-- percent of the Egyptian people have nothing to each other than what the brand they're handed -- as the government subsidy.
If that's the case.
How does that change.
And that will turn first -- why don't agree with the premise.
The main reason egyptians came out on the streets in their minions were not economic.
They were it was a protest against a political in position.
We always think collections solve problems.
In fact elections don't solve problems.
If elections don't lead to an inclusive.
Balance democratic approaches.
That's what egyptians were seeking.
And economics are really important.
They're going to have to be addressed.
Egypt is not growing its budget deficit is out of control -- foreign exchange reserves.
Or depleted supplies for ordinary citizens.
Will be imperil.
That's got to be addressed but the reason egyptians complained about this government.
Was they were looking.
To be part of a modern progressive society.
And they did not find that was possible.
Under the leadership of the -- from Brothers.
Talk about the relationship between this interim Egyptian government and -- Sunni Arab oil states Saudi Arabia Kuwait.
United Arab Emirates were very quick to congratulate the -- transition government and to write big checks for the Egyptian government.
Because initial checks and think the rule write some more in the future.
And infect all Arab states one exception I think it's Tunisia.
Which has a somewhat Muslim brother government in place.
Coalition in place.
Supported the new Egyptian dispensation.
And boy did they do it certainly in the gulf there was no love lost between the Muslim Brothers.
Who question the legitimacy.
Of gulf monarchs and no love lost between them in the gulf states.
But the gulf states want to see a strong -- They want to see in Egypt that is progressive.
And Egypt it is committed to maintaining.
Peace in the region and they were.
Did not believe they were gonna get that I don't know Muslim -- -- government.
So they've come and signed on generously.
And I hope.
That is the week's events we will step forward as well as a nation recognizing.
That if this dispensation.
Works in -- If there is a new leadership that emerges it's democratic.
And civil society oriented.
Who best can happen for us radical Islam would prove to be -- non viable solution forward.
So really the Egyptian.
Experiment if you well -- -- also a referendum on this radical Islam work.
I believe that is the case.
But in order for that case could be made proven.
It has to Egypt is going to need some support and understanding.
Political and economic that's where we have an interest in seeing you succeed.
Okay so what does the United States do it right after marchers -- and we should continue the military assistance.
And the assistance we give Egypt -- -- which -- in addition.
Well I think first of all I don't argue we should be -- embracing them that's may be the kiss of death.
But what we need to do -- signal very clearly to Egypt's new government.
We want you to succeed where on your side.
We you can count on our friendship and support.
Around the world second.
At the right time -- the economic.
Packages -- together the United States ought to take the same kind of leadership position.
And some losing an international response.
To Egypt's needs provided of course Egypt is laid out sensible plans -- We should also make it absolutely clear that Egypt will be a diplomatic partner.
Of the United States and maintaining.
Peace in the region and looking for peace in the rest of the Middle East and crises like Syria.
Egypt needs to return to make its own.
Individual contribution is the largest Arab nation needs to be trusted partner.
Of the United States and we should reach I have to trust two.
Okay you mentioned Syria as you know they showed a greater advantage of this is people are home watching better direction on their computers for their hand -- -- -- -- -- questions stance you.
So we have US Marine Corps vet who has written to say.
Serious let's talk about -- the chairman of the joint chiefs earlier this week.
Made five points where he said these are five possible things we could do to intervene in Syria and it sounded like they were all going to be a disaster.
Our Marine Corps that wants to say why are we just now considering Syria wasn't that red line ever chemical weapons crossed a few months ago.
Still I think the real question we haven't answered.
Is not what kinds of military means we could use and Syria but what is it we want to see happen in Syria.
Your military means need to support a political outcome.
You need to have an objective you're trying to reach -- through military means can leverage.
You are engaged.
In an exercise with -- no direction.
No we're I think secretary Kerry had it right.
Was the importance of getting a political solution to the Syrian problem on the table.
Bringing the parties together getting a deal with the Russians.
And beginning to focus on.
What kind of transitional arrangement would turn -- to peace and if the -- side.
Is unwilling to compromise then -- military measures can have some affect.
Whichever ones you choose.
Light armament right up to more violent interventions.
Which you need to have an objective.
We are talking.
Too much in this country.
Both the means but not the end we need to focus on -- so -- that the papers here.
My objective is to see the Syrian parties.
Around the table and the others who have -- direct interest in the Syrian -- Russia even Iran.
Sitting with them to hammer out an arrangement.
That is going to mean that the outside government.
Seeds power eventually elections are held.
And they knew -- reality is for -- -- will be very fragile but you need to change your tactics and move towards in the.
Like create something.
Like that to happen to me doesn't look like getting better in serious and lay down terms the -- It doesn't mean they're going to lay down their arms today but -- -- -- end.
Rarely with a victory but a political compromise among the participants.
Should have to -- store in Lebanon.
Eventually the party's calm down.
Eventually Syria will calm down.
And it's communities that you've lived side by side.
For centuries and find new ways of coming back together what the United States needs to do is set itself to be.
The a central -- maker.
Provide leadership that leads to peace and then use what measures we have economic or military to force the pace of.
That -- So should the United States for example send them any kind of troops are trained rebels -- in support of that -- If I had.
A an objective that was articulated.
And the -- party particularly the us government refuse to play.
Then I would look to a military means to force the government's hands but not enforce it without an objective.
The rebels people have said the rebels are really.
Al-Qaeda affiliated to the strongest rebel groups do we really want to help rebels like sandpaper.
Served one degree of separation from helping out I had a.
I would think that would be very hard to -- we really do not want an outcome and Syria.
In which a radical Sunni group like -- Qaeda ends up with serious leverage.
But in order to avoid that outcome we have to have a different outcome and -- coming back to a political construct.
That involves a greater majority of Syrians is at -- is central.
-- what do you do about it no I think you need to also to -- -- opposition leadership.
And that means finding those people we know we can work with and backing -- giving them our full support getting them to represent the rebels' side at the table in this future negotiation.
Must take place.
Let's switch -- Palestinian situation where the secretary carriers trying to shuttle diplomacy.
He's -- the Palestinians and the Israelis at least it seems to sit down at the same table as this ever going to -- anything other than.
-- -- -- -- Well.
There -- that's a good question Kati and you can.
Come up with a quick answer that peace can be made after these decades and decades of tension disagreement violence.
I know one simple and plain fact is the United States must be seen to be trying to me it's.
We who support Israel.
And have vital interest at stake in the region.
To stand on the sidelines.
And leave piece and address this to leave ourselves explodes.
To get involved to try to get the parties around the table to work up principles of the settlement.
To nudge the parties forward to make decisions.
That they alone can make.
That's the right role for the United States I think secretary -- is done a terrific job.
And for the United States and putting us back on the stage.
And that will reinforce.
The image of the United States in the region where the Arab.
Palestinians the Israeli Palestinian conflict remains so.
Well OK let's have like a busy day for diplomacy thank you so much ambassador Frank -- thanks so much for joining us and sharing your expertise thanks -- thank you very much.
Now -- turned to Jennifer Griffin our pentagon correspondent the brilliant Jennifer Griffin.
Ask her why hurt is going and -- -- there's more violence would move the war -- finish.
How far can actually talking about Iraq at all in -- -- -- -- to make you can talking -- when every.
I -- in I think bush wars are you -- now.
Ever gotten he's still seems to be living image planted area of the Russian -- -- Forever.
Like that Hollywood movies KP when we woke up this morning we heard news from Russia that.
He was going to be getting out of that transit zone he's been there as you know for the last month since June 23 he was wearing the same clothes he didn't have a change of clothes.
His lawyer arrived today with the change of clothes and a copy of -- story -- crime and punishment.
You couldn't make this up.
He also that the -- indicated two of the Russian media.
That he was carrying with him a pass from the federal migration service Russia's federal migration service that would have allowed.
Snowed in to leave the airport and to settle temporarily in Russia while they.
Figure out his request for a temporary asylum.
That pass was not in the paperwork that his lawyer.
Arrived with that -- match you know airport.
And so was snowed in that remains tonight inside the transit lounge he does have a change of clothes he has.
His Russian literature he -- his lawyer says he's trying to learn the Russian language.
The toying with the White House and Washington.
Stringing them along and suggesting giving indications of course that they will likely -- -- -- leave the airport.
And have some sort of temporary political asylum in Russia.
-- What is first started some two months ago the administration in Washington talked about or be dire consequences of snow and wasn't returned to us.
Now it sounds like it's a fait accompli that he's just going to either say -- mass transit area or is going to have some kind of temporary.
Home and Russia are there any things United States could do.
To get Snowden back at this point.
Well the White House has indicated.
That it would it be that is considering calling -- a summit they planned summit between President Obama -- couldn't that was slated for September.
That's a sort of veiled threat that they have issued but what they're finding -- they don't have much leverage over prudent.
Or the Russian -- government and and it is really it's just the source of embarrassment frankly.
And there are many many important issues that need to be negotiated with Russia Syria being at the on the front burner.
Russia has been blocking US efforts to.
Try and get an international consensus on Syria that blockage has prevented the US and the European Union from.
From doing much in terms of the chemical weapons inside Syria.
So there are a lot of a hot button issues and and right now it looks like Vladimir Putin is simply laughing.
At the US and toying with them keeping this -- this embarrassing.
Longer and no there's not a whole lot that Washington can -- or is willing to do at this point I talked to Senator John McCain about this this morning.
Here was his take on it.
Again keep pushing that reset button and tell glad that there will be Vladimir that -- be more flexible.
Maybe push their reset button back -- 1955.
But this is another's slap in the face to the United States of America I think.
Are indications that we are dealing with -- KGB apparatchiks -- and we ought to treat him accordingly right now I don't think he respects us.
And that's really the bottom line I think.
It's a very frustrating situation for the White House -- here Jay Carney every day talking about the -- Situation and meanwhile he sits there and as sort of a -- a thorn in the side of the administration as he sits at that at the airport in Moscow.
Well I think great explanation of a bad situation.
Thank you Jennifer very much Jennifer -- at the Pentagon we're gonna go to break and that we're gonna come back and -- around around.
-- welcome back to -- country our next guest has a Twitter handle that anybody would love it is key spooky.
Why is because -- lieutenant colonel Tony -- Has been in his very long and distinguished career a special option and -- -- guy so we're delighted to have you because your new career.
As a best selling author and got a new book out called.
The last line.
And as I understand that you have done what everybody's been worried about having happened -- drug cartels.
And has a -- terrorists get together and wreak Havoc on the world.
That's right and I think that issue is is all based on real facts indicating we heavily researched the book before -- put together.
And I think you amongst all the people who study national security would understand that simply because we don't address it.
An official channel does not mean -- not exist in the real world and I think that's what we're trying to do owners bring attention to a very severe.
Potential set of bad guys.
Within the context of circumstances they would take full advantage of if they could to to wreak Havoc as you said.
With the United States if they get that opportunity.
Well it's a must read and all of us are gonna rush of the -- or Amazon.com and get it after we check out your Twitter handle it keeps the -- -- I want to go to something that's a little bit it's not a lighthearted at all and that's the fact that al-Qaeda offensive down a jailbreak at Abu grab.
Releasing some 250 to 500.
Active al-Qaeda inmates -- what happened I thought Iraq was the war that we were on that everything was stabilized now al-Qaeda is back again.
To make it as simple matter of force possible for those two not are happening with Iraq it's like when you are given.
A series of pills to take by doctor that's an antibiotic.
And you start that series and if you stop it early.
The infection can come back and even more severe because it'll it'll metastasized and change I think that's what we seen here.
Let's remember this jailbreak was to separate location separated by by significant distance.
Over 500 people got out and in many ways KT this is almost as if they've had these guys incubating learning.
In these prisons becoming better.
Operatives if you will better terrorists much like our jail system United States and it becomes almost a training ground for criminals I think the same can be said there so this is severe.
And the other thing that people need to understand that this does directly link into Syria.
Because of the politics and what's going on that region anything that happens -- Iraq because there's really not I believe a stable government because we've left it kind of up on the edge of being stable we have the potential allowing these guys to go influence things badly I might -- in Syria.
What that time we just part of -- -- talking to your points of where our program is where Baghdad is.
And where of the out of prison break was it it looks like all of Iraq.
Is under threat from al-Qaeda.
Would you say that what we have seen in Syria could -- spill over back into Iraq and we could see another Iraq War.
It's all instability it's all partly caused by the fact that we set these things in motion one way or another.
No one of debate why we won in the but that the bottom line is this I think most military experts.
Would agree that our job and I Iraq was not done it as much as if if that -- that counter insurgency was going to work it was going to work and I Iraq because you had a very.
A very large very developed middle class who had their own interest frankly to become an economic power house and have stable lives.
We've left that in jeopardy.
And so when you look at both these locations with Syria and Iraq being related by the fact that you have -- -- Elements that radical al-Qaeda elements and or more to the point here.
If you look at when these -- mystery over captain of the day it will -- the couple days and it was a very sophisticated attack.
So this tells me that al-Qaeda as an entity.
Is coming back strong within their -- -- to do things to destabilize the governments which are at least at this point time friendly to us.
At a time we just had a better friends with her and -- about Syria and what operations we have with Syria and I.
Pointed out that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff general Martin Dempsey earlier this week laid out five military options and basically said -- -- undesirable.
What do you think.
In the United States could or should do with regard to Syria and particularly in the context of Iraq.
Let me frame at first al-Qaeda has been in my judgment is not -- a expects central threat to United States with that said.
It is a threat to the very issues we're talking about regarding Syria regarding the the issue you've laid out for this issue.
So Syria if we look at Syria as a metaphor relating to the entire region the whole Arab Spring.
We have to be very careful and diligent on how we use military force to -- military force.
I've talked to the -- on this issue and right now as I understand it there's a lot of options -- table none of them good and I think general Dempsey reflected that back.
To Senator McCain.
I think this is truly something where we have to walk a fine line between.
Taking direct action because the moment we take direct action we put boots on the ground we become the issue I think we make ourselves a target.
So I think it's important that we work with our allies and friends in the region as a proxy.
And as -- -- pointed out at this point.
And -- is just Jennifer pointed out regarding the -- issue we need to look at the Russians for working with us on this but at this point in time really don't have leverage to deal with Vladimir Putin.
Because there one of the primary both logistics supporters and political supporters of the Asad regime.
-- might think -- center for advanced defense studies has a strong position as we do not want to see.
The Syrian infrastructures that does that destroyed like we saw in Libya that would lead to wholesale chaos.
And pockets of al-Qaeda the radical elements being able to sit up there owns essentially -- governments within the Syrian country.
With that said doing nothing is not an option either we have to walk a fine line and try to influence things as best we can without I believe he's -- options at least as this at this point in time.
So when we were in Iraq to a decade ago.
The argument resources -- spill over into Syria but you're right making the argument now that from Syria could go back into Iraq.
Absolutely it they're they're.
Neighbors and -- again the political elements in both countries are -- focused on destabilizing that the government's of the nation so.
And at least right now the Iraq -- front of us.
A Syrian government is not quite so friendly to us but it does not change the fact that that the radical elements one destabilize any regime they see -- enemy al-Qaeda for example.
As has changed is really.
-- really up more so with the French than they are with us and they're they're out is that in the current form to destabilize the Middle Eastern monarchies and these other nations that they don't like.
So as much as well I think al-Qaeda is not an existential threat it is a threat to the stability of the nation's we consider allies -- in the region.
OK -- was found lieutenant colonel Tony Schaeffer author of the new best seller the last line which talks about.
That potential marriage made in hell which is Hezbollah ally and drug cartels thanks so much for joining us Johnny thanks -- thank you -- him.
Thank you for your take a break and then come back and talk about Latin America.
I would like to turn that part of the world that we offer and don't pay enough attention to MS Latin American -- -- Columbia.
Joining us now is Eric Farnsworth and he's the vice president of the council.
Of the Americas and the American society thank you so much for joining us thanks for having her debut can't you I ask you about Columbia.
That's supposed to be the great success story we had beaten the drug cartels Columbia had an inspired.
Political leadership -- all is well and now it doesn't look like call as well we ever return of the bad old days let's go well at Columbia.
It is a reminder of this recent attack on the government troops and the death a tragic death of several of them that in fact the -- the guerrillas are still a dangerous group.
But I think we have to look at this in the broader scope of things Colombia has made dramatic progress in the last decade that's -- -- bipartisan success story for the United States in my view.
Violence is way down.
The drug cartels are certainly on the run it doesn't mean that they're not still active or that they're not still dangerous but they don't.
Fundamentally threaten the integrity of the Colombian state and they used to.
They don't anymore.
In that way that it's a success story but this recent incidents clearly as a reminder that the situation remains fluid.
And that other still work to be done.
Do you think that violence returns to Columbia -- cartel violence and anger frustration with the park.
Not in the same way that it did I think the Farc has been dramatically weakened by the -- government.
Peace negotiations are underway and I think a lot of people including myself would see this recent attack is.
Really -- -- for the far to try to gain leverage in those peace discussions to say we're still relevant we still have a fighting capability we can still cause damage to the Colombian government.
But I don't see them coming back in any particular way the reason why is because the Colombian people themselves have rejected that course this time.
They believed to move on they're looking more for economic growth now and four for development and so really this is a vestige of the past but but it's not finished.
It has a ways to go.
Eric let's turn events -- allies the country that we've had a rocky relationship with -- last.
Decade to say the least and -- our indications of the restaurant's really don't care about a better relationship.
With the United States is Dennis -- like getting involved in Columbia.
-- Venezuela's -- -- Columbia for a while clearly there have been allegations of safe haven for the Farc guerrillas across the border in Venezuelan territory.
When president Chavez was still alive he spoke favorably of the -- And the fact this is why Venezuela has actually been participating in the peace discussions that are taking place in Havana because they are -- player in the Colombian.
A process but in terms of the bilateral relationship with the United States we still maintain a very strong.
Energy relationship primarily the US.
Purchases of Venezuelan oil into the United States.
But beyond that there isn't much of her relationship and as you accurately say Venezuela itself is indicated they don't really want to improve that relationship.
I think a lot of that stems from domestic realities the president of Venezuela -- -- -- Came to -- be elected under some perhaps murky circumstances according to some people he's trying to solidify his base he's trying to solidify his power.
In Venezuela and the easiest way to do that both in Venezuela and traditionally in Latin America is to try to pick a fight with the United States and focus in the -- And I see that is very much what he's trying to do in these current firms -- Eric what must question the relationship between Hezbollah Iran Iran bad guys in the Middle East and -- as -- Is there -- relationship but if so what time.
Well there's a relationship between Venezuela and I ran.
And there are allegations that Hezbollah has been active in Venezuela primarily in terms of trying to raise funds.
That are then sent back to the Middle East to cause damage.
And and I think we have to watch those issues very carefully I think some of the more.
There are some allegations of a lot more operational activities of Hezbollah isn't it conducted in Venezuela I don't see evidence of that necessarily.
But there is.
A willingness in Venezuela to try to develop that relationship I think that's something that people have to watch very carefully.
OK well thank you very much Eric Farnsworth vice president of account for the Americans thanks so much pleasure running us.
That's it for -- country that all around the world -- -- the -- least we've been to Egypt we've been to Russia.
The transit lounge in the Moscow airport and finishing up with Latin American thank you so much for joining us.
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