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And explicitly Harris targeting scandal hearings last week employees claimed one of the president's appointees at the agency one of only till.
Played a significant role William Wilkins please IRS office -- -- -- she council.
And now we're learning that his name appears in the White House visitor logs in April of 2012.
That's just days before the chief counsel's office issued new guidelines really cracking down on Tea Party groups.
To -- -- Council the American center for law and justice and representing more than two dozen groups that we're -- I think that number may have ground today.
A welcome it has what do you make -- just because you know we can confirm its V William Walken someone else could have that name -- we certainly don't know what they talked about.
If it's indeed -- at the White House.
Well I think did -- this point we know that based on -- holes testimony was the RS lawyer at that.
Talked about getting guidance and direction and can basically the control was taken by the office of chief counsel of the IRS.
That it's probably time to bring the chief counsel William opens before the house committees that are investigating it find out exactly.
What he said or did not say what meetings he was attended.
Was he aware of the situation because you're correct on a data point -- date point that's important.
Two days after the meeting at the White House that this is indeed -- chief counsel of the IRS meeting at the White House to a two days later new initiatives came forward.
-- chief counsel's office through the IRS to my clients.
We're the most intrusive questions were being asked about membership lists and data.
-- information about activities that way beyond the scope of legitimate inquiry we have one client.
Woods asked about their prayer activity -- -- was told that the -- taking a pro life position.
Was not supported by science and -- used.
A general memorandum that evidently came out of IRS chief counsel's office to put these questions together so I think one thing that's happened here we now know that it's not -- rogue agents.
In Cincinnati we know went to the highest level presidential appointee.
To his office jobs would you counsel office by the way I served and when I graduated law school long time ago -- my first job with would you counsel's office I was in their office in Atlanta.
At the time and at the idea that chief counsel just meeting and two days later happenstance just creates this.
New set of inquiries -- exit part of -- -- they can answer the questions.
By being put underwrote.
Asked me relevant questions address those issues and find out what the chief -- this cannot.
This is the middle of the 2010 election cycle so that big -- significant questions in this keeps going up.
The latter I mean it started in Cincinnati that it went to Washington that it went up.
The lowest -- -- her level she takes the Fifth Amendment now it's gone to the chief counsel's office people are talking about the chief -- and -- so there's a lot of questions that have to be answered.
Well and you -- car home went a long time employees embarrassed to say that he was asked and that's anti party cases and -- was told that they needed to go to the office of the chief council that would be William walking right.
Also said at one point that after his decades of service -- -- his determination on these cases he was holding did them to somebody who'd only been at the agency for a few months.
What does that suggest to you because he's sounds like he's making a direct link that William Wilkins was -- -- Well it sure sounds that way and I think what you've got is.
The politicization of these applications you had agents -- attorneys are reviewing it in the normal course.
Murmured this was shortly after the applications were -- go to a regular review process then all of a sudden 2011.
Everything gets turned upside down you got -- hole a 48 year veteran.
By the -- dependent on -- because at the time it looked like he was the one of the main focus and certainly wasn't controls on this -- may not be the case I will say.
And the reality is he's saying that he was directed by -- -- and her staff that this was to go to -- council.
And he said that underwrote I have -- reasonably he'd be lying under -- I'm sure who's telling the truth the face perjury -- was not.
And I think -- -- needs to be called back I get blows -- immunity by the way Shannon at this point letter just tell us what happened.
And I think you'll find out unfortunately.
For the IRS and the situation does not get any better.
You remember they put a proposal out two up.
Do an expedited review of the IRS applications for our -- back they -- it's a letter let me show you what I've got here.
This is our response to BI -- Offer for a quick expedite review these are the applications that have been pending but the iris for three years and we simply told media do their job and approve the applications on their merits.
And and this rule that they put forward is not even the rules supported by the law so that the fact is I think the office right now is -- a complete.
It really incapable.
Bulk of it adjudicating these matters right now and it's something has to be done.
On an expeditious basis and and so far we're not seeing that there -- resolution here was just completely not accept all -- back it would not the legal standard.
Of what these organizations are allotted it would put a burden on them that no other groups have that was their offer of compromise.
So I think Don purple the new commissioner the acting commissioner needs to take.
More aggressive action and we need to find out what the chief counsel -- Right super quick answer here best case scenario for the White House if if it wasn't him at the meeting -- at that -- -- did not discuss any of these issues when he found out -- was in some way linked by the employees sworn testimony.
William Wilkins today as the the White House is guy in the IRS.
Is it possible he did not tell the White House about what was going on and if he didn't -- Well anything's possible but if he if he did it was because they're trying to shield the president.
But we do know that it did deputy chief of staff knew you know you gotta put the -- -- was really quick.
Lowest learners lawyer is a former law partner of the White House counsel.
The chief counsel of the IRS William Wilkins was the attorney pro Bono for Jeremiah Wright -- up president Obama's pastor.
These are more than just coincidental links and I think what you have to do is we've got to get to the truth we need to ask the question were you at the meeting.
What's -- meeting at the White House what was discussed a regarding these cases are these issues and it's either going to be yes I was there are no I wasn't and -- -- because what was discussed her.
-- he's -- as they -- kind of executive privilege but we need to find out the truth and that's the only reason we're the only -- really get to this is right now getting William -- before the house.
-- the house committee oversight committee tells me they're gonna do that kind of get him under -- we shall see today thank you very much.
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