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Sun is up problem segment tonight national security averts his spying on America yesterday the house voted 217 it to a 52 defeat to defeat -- polls.
The would have rained in the National Security Agency close vote obviously but the issue still -- -- should the feds be spying on America insists.
-- now Brett -- author of the big new bestselling novel all.
Hidden order so you read a lot about national security and how do you come down on this NSA thing.
Well I've got a problem with guys like Bradley Manning giving stuff to WikiLeaks in -- giving stuff to the guardian newspaper I think -- you've got an item that you think is that hot.
You can find people somewhere in your chain of command or even in congress they can help you yeah gives and I agree and we had somebody on here attorney who actually takes those things on I agree those guys went out of the loop and they deserve what they get absolutely.
But when you have a National Security Agency shrouded in secrecy part of your job to write -- selling novels is to research and I -- -- Do you know if these guys are reading email.
I'll listen to stuff that Snowden has uncovered bill is only the tip of the iceberg in the things that they have in the pipeline the technology they want to bring online is actually terrified.
You know in 1975 we -- senator frank church warn us on Meet the Press.
That if the NSA ever takes a giant listening years -- them in on the people the United States.
It'll be -- surveillance rubicon from which there will be no turning back and what happened after nine elevenths.
The -- say turn those big years in on all of you think they're actually reading -- needs -- no I think they're storing them you know I saw Pete king this morning say.
That they only keep on for five years.
My thing would be is what he -- it quite clear that IRS can't even keep tax returns squad well -- enough time -- -- and -- -- -- -- everybody.
Apparently I would rather see private companies rise -- -- -- well Google get tax breaks to build bigger server farms have them hold onto -- and then of the feds want access to your email or mine.
They've got to get a judge to sign off on a warrant in the.
-- -- psychological well.
Right guys want to be clear on a senior in new war research well.
The NSA they collect data on when calls are made into where they go but they don't listen to the call straight unless -- get a -- -- -- -- certain things that trigger the listening to a call if there's certain things that I'm gonna eliminate get a warrant after the fact of -- today if it's a cellphone right now there's even an emergency letter they can right themselves not listening to your call when you call your publisher and like -- -- they're recording them they're keeping all of that they released a recording and recording your actual voice -- recording when you need to call to whom went.
That's the meta data they are collecting the meta data I believe from the people I've talked to that the actual calls are being stored as well which is why they always -- why the recording everybody the people I've talked to have told me that everything all of your digital exhaust is being recorded which is why the outgrew the facility and but I know I'm gonna.
-- -- I gotta I gotta get two and a record here.
So if I pick up my cell -- and I talked to somebody you're saying that that -- being recorded install that's what I believe from the people I've talked about telling you must -- possible as -- billions and billions.
Of colts why they outgrew the facility -- -- Maryland and had to build a huge thing out -- top what do you think they're keeping us how to -- are.
You that recorded conversations from.
Regular folks are being stored I can't be completely sure because I don't work there I just know that sources I've spoken I wouldn't even -- scandal I can't imagine that if that we're having -- emails you know that cyberspace.
So if you're gonna put something in writing that's you know you can grab it.
But just a casual phone call you really think -- being recorded -- -- The people I've talked to believe that they have the capability to do it may be doing it but I can't say -- a percent -- that I'm gonna have to say I don't believe they're doing it because that would be such a violation of everything in this country.
Is that that just leads to totalitarianism.
That with the case anybody could be blackmailed anybody could be.
Harmed in this little tax returns look what happened -- Mitt Romney's donors so that knowledge is -- operation you know organization -- what you do is one thing.
-- -- Orion enjoyed your book and we appreciate you coming on thank you we come --
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