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With an -- -- -- 161 question looms large for the GOP to the party be more conservative or libertarian.
The standard -- of those two positions looked to be Chris Christie and Rand Paul the moment.
The New Jersey governor was an -- -- Thursday where he was asked about national security and he fired that shot.
This strain of libertarian is and that's going through both parties right now and and making big headlines I think he's very -- President Obama has done nothing to change the policies.
Of the Bush Administration in the war on terrorism and I mean practically nothing.
And you know why because they work.
I love all these esoteric debates that people are getting in -- -- for example -- listen you can name any number of people -- vacation he's.
One of the deputy senator thought it -- to fire back and he did so with just -- he said quote.
Chris Christie worries about the dangers of freedom I worry about the danger of losing that freedom spying without warrant is unconstitutional.
-- got this idea because if we don't and we get to besides -- you'll never get a word in edgewise so that -- -- -- it's coming your thoughts on this -- supposed to but.
Thank you for a man I know already matched I don't got out of it every day I like -- but -- spot to these guys have been that it and it they -- point yes -- Think that did this richt is the best thing that's happened to the left and to President Obama.
Greenwald was a genius because he's cleave the adversaries.
And in instead of having a healthy debate we're having.
One side accusing another of shredding the constitution the other side accusing them of being soft on terror.
What law enforcement does is embraced reasonableness in this is what has to happen.
In this debate you do a disservice to the citizens if you position yourself on the very edges.
Of the -- -- and the first casualty -- -- TV feud is reasonableness.
We have to talk about tyranny or we talk about terror from above.
The point is -- you can you can have -- You get it got real essence of reasonableness what they talk about what a lot of -- we talked about is reasonableness.
It can happen -- And what happens we have these groups and in in were at fault for this.
We put ourselves at the edge of every argument oh my god this could be -- 9/11 oh my god you're shredding the constitution actually now.
Just shot up it's in the middle and here.
But interesting because I think the mainstream media -- would like us to have to I like Republicans to have to choose you're either this -- we're back camp and actually what we really probably want -- -- -- a composite candidate.
May have a lot to different people but your words and worlds collided.
Between Iran and Christine your thought on this.
I worlds then it -- have to figure this out so the rule of law is now dangerous on to Governor Christie.
You lost -- -- -- -- -- anywhere else who was that the constitution is up for interpretation Spezza beat by a governor.
I can't interpret your -- it was written it's not -- -- -- it's written rule of law so let me get this straight.
Rand Paul is dangerous but President Obama.
And Carlos danger are OK in your world right now governor you said you you look at people in the guy.
Who have lost loved ones in the World Trade -- I was in the World Trade Center in 93 when the bomb went off I watch the planes pointed it at the World Trade Center.
It -- what I watch friends burn in the world traits and I watched people jump out the window.
I think I have an idea of what terrorism looks like.
And it's not innocent Americans being data mind by -- say it's Islamic terrorists stick to that and we're all okay.
Now as have now you're not for Christina my -- -- -- -- you are.
-- -- you out with Chris I don't eat now Marc -- award means that you're gonna regret that the that the minute you got behind this guy and you want us.
I do not for the reasons you -- yeah PMI.
I don't see I I mean I I understand your -- because again like you said you were you were in there you have friends and everything and -- -- anybody was in New York feels that way.
But I don't think Christie Christie was talking specifically.
Specifically about data mining and the fact is in order to find a needle you need a haystack and the the problem Rand Paul.
Is that he thinks that the -- -- The Beatles to show up but -- needles came -- September 11.
No if you had the haystack before you -- figured out where those needles are the qualities that and also begin to know what they're gonna do with the case that when that when they find in the exact.
That's -- -- autistic that's the question that we all want -- -- that would be good.
So -- Can't this be it doesn't have to be an either or discussion right aptly.
Why can't it be both why can't you have people like Chris Christie a former US attorney and this is what US attorneys do like every good tool.
At their fingertips to be able to prosecute.
Terrorists and that is what Chris Christie did right.
-- for -- them before.
And before -- prosecution the purpose of the -- amendment is to trip up prosecutors to make sure that government doesn't get too big but what's wrong with people like Rand Paul saying.
Hold on let's have a debate about civil liberties especially in the era of Obama.
I just say this to me was welcomed the 2016 primary I think Christie was trying to differentiate himself politically as well.
From Rand Paul this is his background Paul has a different take and the new poll showed that Rand Paul is now leading.
And the Republican primary field so the best spot about that because for Tway sixty do you believe about two questions for -- to the first -- believe that they're both actually is.
Putting their toe in the water to see about 316 also what you think they.
Republican mindset will be if you had hit prognosticator 2016 will it be more conservative or libertarian and when it comes out of.
A strain of libertarians are running through from the party going back to Dwight Eisenhower where and that Britain through very goal watered split embedded enormous split 64 the party was taken over -- more libertarian -- forces against the forces of the more -- conservative.
This so this is nothing new it's becoming something.
Brighter in this on the stage a politician -- -- to people who were pretty good at what they do it.
It will at a Rand Paul who's now that libertarian in the congress.
For a long time it's really raises questions which I have been there for a long time but is that that whenever I'm quite -- nobody was never signature that this guy signatures.
Yet there's a difference that we can that we read -- and we read is it -- -- be more conservative or libertarian I think that's that's inaccurate.
I think there I think Rand Paul is conservative and libertarian and I think Chris Christie has lost.
His -- conservative crowds over this and some of the other thing to -- -- with the Second Amendment New Jersey.
The -- well OK but specifically written.
Relating to terrorism I don't think you can say to Chris Christie's lost his conservative credentials I really don't his record as US attorney is pretty.
I know people are upset because he was.
-- -- praising President Obama for following in the footsteps of bush but I guess I don't I don't really see it this way.
I I think highest I have average today of how many people where.
That they actually don't like either of them.
That is on folks that's -- debate may they may be that that to any sixteenth seems a little too far out for them.
But there thinking why -- talking about tax reform.
We're talking about figuring out how to do market brink of our competitiveness into the healthcare system -- focusing on entitlement reflect the types of things that conservatives typically will come to the ballot to vote for.
Nobody seems to be talking about may -- the Fourth Amendment but -- kind of you know.
Reason if you listen Rand Paul carefully he continues to bring -- Syria is an opening shot across about saying do not do that.
Do not -- that country libertarians have for the most part been very very reticent about committing his troops overseas and for good reason.
And there's always been a place that debate the concerned that the people like the the neo cons who -- wanted to go and anywhere anytime and do anything.
He needed to have a force working yes and libertarians -- done.
But it's not only that but they also have Greg giving that back in here -- that you had a lot of liberals actually joining on the Syria these accounts on NSA vote that happened this week.
In a lot of Democrats actually voted with a certain number of Republicans.
And so is -- a new.
-- -- I mean let's face it it it it it kind of shook a lot of allegiances up you have like Eric.
You know prowling around Brooklyn Greenwald which I never thought I would ever see me -- be like me moving in with a leamer.
Which I did for six months actually feel that you did did you think -- is like how to how that libertarians can embrace the idea.
Of the NSA odd that the Bryce in peace in the prison peace because libertarians know that freedom.
Requires force and force require requires Intel.
You need intelligence -- America's housing got to make it a castle the sad thing that bothers me about this whole debate and I'll shut up.
In the old days the right would be pissed off about the leaks if there was a leak that that made us vulnerable to our enemies we would be.
-- but instead we're pissed off of the government.
For lawful actions.
That'll protect our families awful Diana would disagree that likely to add up the line that did that I don't know that I'm not that I don't know I'm not 'cause there's -- it -- it.
-- -- -- I want I lay -- -- talking to you know don't the -- -- that way you carry it where's the probable cause.
Cause taking the information and data mining in this individual they're friends video and part of their art and just got to point this out whether we're we can do this again or do something else thing I know you get frustrated but this -- -- excuse I -- know on the Republican side.
Was a big mistake they need to be uniting.
There's a Ted Cruz and edit ramp -- -- conservatives who are all very similar but they're not fighting each other they're not taking shots at each other I don't think there is.
I don't it was a good idea for -- You cannot -- that segment now I was gonna say.
It actually is legal the problem is though the technology has radically changed so people do have a reasonable expectation of privacy I get that.
I think -- -- -- should be we need to take this back to the courts right we give up our data.
In global they have our Gmail FaceBook they have our posts we give it up every single day and I think people would be okay with a little bit of data to catch terrorists.
But the problem is the technology's changed and this administration abuses it.
Over if necessary and very -- -- when you go to go -- and they pick a YouTube signed off when you sign -- -- whom will you tell them -- you're -- with them doing what they do.
What -- -- talking about was was already decided upon in the Supreme Court.
It is legal I don't like it but it's legal so if you don't like it because of the technicalities.
Of what they decided because technology -- chance.
Go back to the courts and you're both right yet that's the problem.
You cannot do you can both -- right -- points politely and -- hands yeah I wish our.
I -- -- restore I was going to be with Barry Goldwater -- the president President Carter and that was when there was a leak at -- Jesse -- operation about the Panama Canal treaties.
And the -- -- Brothers being drug dealers there was there was sealed indictment.
Very -- -- that would be very supporter of president -- senator -- Beijing says he's about remembers something we conservatives hate.
Leaks like this and and what he's trying to do was wrong before the senate these nations stop and say was for the -- -- countries and this is very go.
I was actually start but yeah I think that that Rand Paul we'll have a problem with eventually is that I had an a for example the question evidence -- -- be a -- got hundred and more isolation should we mind our own business black.
We have new sort of give other people have -- actually think that that is a bridge too far for a lot of people on foreign policy that David they would say Letterman I'm able to go everywhere it's changed the that are there -- We heard the size of a phone Booth go ahead guys who say that Richards and isolationism to give it to the heads of Charles -- kind of isolation that we -- -- go anywhere.
The return to only goes replaced -- isn't clear and present -- denies that is.
And that and -- actually -- support them I think that's right and I think that's that's where they have the strongest argument.
People are tired of -- -- democracy promotion they're tired of losing brought blood and treasure for these dumps like Afghanistan and I do think that with the Libertarian Party.
Is the pause button that is where they do -- diet I think I had like I have my summer home there.
I I disagree on that personally I think that we could have stayed and we could admit we should've been there for the long haul but for both Iraq and Afghanistan.
And that history will not be kind to the administration decided to squander all of that -- I want to -- -- talking about it kind of got up next to the --
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