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Well -- had -- tonight the battle to defund the president's health care overhaul is getting ugly and in a moment senator Rand Paul will be here.
To take us behind the scenes of that fight that is even dividing some Republicans but first late last week the chief.
Outspoken executive of New Jersey Chris Christie put himself back in the limelight by criticizing libertarians.
Including one of his GOP colleagues let's take a look.
This strain of libertarian -- that's going through both parties right now and in making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought.
And as the governor now of the state.
That lost the second most people on 9/11 behind the state in New York it's still seen those -- -- I love all these esoteric debates that people are getting -- senator Graham Paul for example want to listen you can name any number of people approving gaze and he's one of them.
I mean these esoteric intellectual debates I wanted to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans.
And have that conversation.
And and I -- And joining me now with his response to this much more the man himself Kentucky senator Rand Paul senator welcome back of the -- and good evening -- -- your reaction.
Valued I think is not very Smart guy he may have heard that tell you know the Republican parties on life support in the northeast.
Republicans are in danger of becoming an endangered species.
Does not real Smart for Republicans to be attacking Republicans.
But I would remind him that I think what's dangerous in our country is to forget that we have a bill of rights to forget about privacy.
To give up on all of our liberty to say -- we're gonna catch terrorism but -- to live in a police state.
And it's really I think kinda sad and cheap.
That he would use that cloak of 9/11 9/11 victims and say oh I'm the only one who cares about these victims.
Hogwash if he cared about protecting this country.
Maybe he wouldn't be in this gimme gimme gimme gimme all the money you have in Washington or don't have and he'd be a little more fiscally responsive.
And know that the way we defend our country.
To what we have enough money for national defense is not being frugal and not by saying gimme gimme gimme all the time.
All right I think you just ratcheted up the battle among libertarians and a New Jersey governor.
Well let me go I think specifically what he was referring to gauge your criticism.
The NSA now I support the Patriot Act.
And data mining.
But the Patriot Act Jim sensenbrenner wrote that bill did not include what happened with the NSA so there is a distinction is or not.
We -- exactly right and we thought the American revolution.
Over the fact that we didn't want a warrant to apply to millions of people.
The Fourth Amendment says it has to be a specific person.
A place -- yet to name the items then you have to go to a judge and you have to say.
There's probable cause and here's the thing I'm all for getting terrorists I'm all for -- -- the judge absolutely say yes get the records.
But -- for spying on terrorists on -- for spying on every American and so people like the governor who are I guess flippant about privacy.
Flippant about the Fourth Amendment and flippant about the bill of rights they do an injustice to our soldiers are soldiers are laying their life on the line.
For the bill of rights -- -- stand up for the bill of rights are -- -- say at all cost we don't care about liberty.
Then I think it's really a mistake and we've gone too far.
Does the Patriot Act as Jim sensenbrenner the author says prohibit.
What's going on live with the NSA doesn't it specifically prohibit what they were caught doing.
Yet senator wyden's been saying this for three years.
They are secretly interpreting the Patriot Act to mean something that even the authors of the Patriot -- said it did not intend to do.
The Patriot Act does allow them to look at some records.
But it still supposed to be individualized.
It's not supposed to be millions of Americans with one warrant.
That is not with a Fourth Amendment.
Contended it's also not even -- the Patriot Act intended to our let's go to the issue.
What you Ted Cruz.
Michael leave Marco Rubio I think it'll come up with a great idea and status symbolically.
Votes repealing obamacare.
You are suggesting.
Everywhere I go people say defund obamacare.
And so that's -- I am let's don't spend money on something that's going to be a failure.
That's gonna bankrupt state governments -- gonna -- people's insurance premiums to rise.
And really I think could destroy one of the great valuable things we have in our country.
Which is modern health -- and our country that's been better than any place in the world I'm afraid of destroying that.
Even the president now says he's not -- institute half of -- the employer mandate.
Let's delay all love it until these people figure out what they're doing.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It's sort of like announcing preemptive surrender.
We don't have control the government we don't control the senate and the presidency but we do control the house.
We should utilize the leverage of the house to pass things we think -- good.
We should stay the course until the Democrats in the president compromise.
We won't get everything we want but if we announced from the beginning -- were afraid of our -- -- and we're never gonna.
You know pushed Democrats to try to come to the table.
Then I think in essence we announce our surrender so by all these Republicans coming out -- criticizing Mike Lee and others.
That's sort of announced surrender so they have defeated the strategy of using the leverage to try to get rid of some of the funding.
For some of the most egregious parts of Obama -- hey let's say -- -- the rest of the government.
And the house funds the rest of the government.
Except for obamacare.
And then the president Nancy Pelosi Harry Reid shut the government down but every other part of the government -- -- What should the reaction how should pull politically how should the Republicans.
Position that considering they're going to be blamed.
Well the thing -- -- the Republicans have already announced is going to be shut down a government.
Myself Michael -- Ted -- we're not arguing to shut down the government.
We're arguing to defund obamacare but the Republicans that are announcing surrender they've already taken the next -- they're saying.
Oh you wanna shut down government no we don't we want to defund obamacare we want to defund it disastrous program that is gonna bankrupt state governments.
Is going to bankrupt individuals.
Is going to cause -- lose their insurance.
And is going to really hurt precisely the people you want to help.
The working class people who were working hourly jobs at McDonald's or Burger King are doing the service industry.
We're afraid they're gonna lose hours and become part time workers as people decide and discover how expensive insurance is going to be we're standing up for what we believe in.
And we want to use the leverage of the people who voted for us.
To try to get reform in government I don't see -- anybody could criticize that -- I would argue that didn't most Republicans run on repealing obamacare isn't this really the only chance you have to do so what do you say to those Republicans adult.
Over the war afraid to do it.
Well that's what I get when I go home people say it marching and at least try.
I can guarantee victory I can guarantee -- the Democrats were except as they probably won't.
But why don't we push back and say well we want we were elected to represent the people who said defund obamacare so I think we should represent them.
All right senator good to see -- appreciate you being with us thank you.
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