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Now with his response to this much more the man himself Kentucky senator Rand Paul senator welcome back of the sick and good evening -- your reaction of that.
But I -- I think is not very Smart guy he may have heard that tonight the Republican Party is on life support in the northeast.
Republicans are in danger of becoming an endangered species.
Does not real Smart for Republicans to be attacking Republicans.
But I would remind him that I think what's dangerous and our country is to forget that we have a bill of rights to forget about privacy.
To give up on all of our liberty to -- -- we're gonna catch terrorism but yet to live in a police state.
And it's really I think kinda sad and cheap.
That he would use that cloak of 9/11 not eleven victims and say oh I'm the only one who cares about these victims.
Hogwash if he cared about protecting this country maybe he wouldn't be in this.
Gimme gimme gimme gimme all the money you have in Washington or don't have and he'd be a little more fiscally responsive.
And know that the way we defend our country.
To what we have enough money for national defense is not being frugal and not by saying gimme gimme gimme all the time.
All right I think you just ratcheted up the battle among libertarians and a New Jersey governor.
Well let me go I think specifically what he was referring to -- your criticism.
The NSA now I support the Patriot Act.
And data mining.
But the Patriot Act Jim sensenbrenner wrote that bill did not include what happened with the NSA so there is a distinction is or not.
We -- exactly right and we thought the American revolution.
Over the fact that we didn't want a warrant to apply to millions of people.
The Fourth Amendment says it has to be a specific person.
A place and yet to name the items and you have to go to a judge and you have to say.
There's probable cause and here's the thing I'm all for getting terrorists I'm all for -- -- the judge absolutely say yes get the records.
-- for spying on terrorists on -- for spying on every American and so people like the governor who are I guess flippant about privacy.
Flippant about the Fourth Amendment and flippant about the bill of rights they do an injustice to our soldiers are soldiers are -- their lives on the line.
For the bill of rights supporter I can stand up for the bill of rights -- -- gonna say at all cost we don't care about liberty.
Then I think it's really a mistake and we've gone too far does the Patriot Act as Jim sensenbrenner the author says.
What's going on live with the NSA doesn't it specifically prohibit what they were caught doing.
Yet senator wyden's been saying this for three years.
They are secretly interpreting the Patriot Act to mean something that even the authors of the Patriot Act said it did not intend to do.
The Patriot Act does allow them to look at some records.
But it's still supposed to be individualized.
It's not supposed to be millions of Americans with one warrant.
That is now with a Fourth Amendment.
Contended it's also not even -- the Patriot Act intended to -- let's go to the issue.
What you Ted Cruz Michael -- Marco Rubio I think it'll come up with a great idea.
Instead a symbolically.
Votes repealing obamacare.
You are suggesting.
Everywhere I go people say defund obamacare.
And so that's where I am let's don't spend money on something that's going to be a failure that's -- bankrupt state governments.
That's gonna cause people's insurance premiums to rise.
And really I think could destroy one of the great valuable things we have in our country.
Which is modern health -- and our country that's been better than any place in the world I'm afraid of destroying that.
Even the president now says he's not -- institute half of -- the employer mandate.
Let's delay all love it until these people figure out what they're -- back.
OK but the point is why are some -- I guess establishment guys say all this is terrible you can't win this debate not a good idea politically what is your response that.
It's sort of like announcing preemptive surrender.
We don't have control the government we don't control the senate and the presidency but we do control the house.
We should utilize the leverage of the house.
To pass things we think -- good.
And we should stay the course until the Democrats in the president compromise.
We won't get everything we wind but if we announced from the beginning -- were afraid of our -- -- and we're never gonna.
You know pushed Democrats to try to come to the table.
Then I think in essence we announce our surrender so by all these Republicans coming out criticizing Mike Lee and others.
This sort of announce surrender so they've defeated the strategy.
Of using the leverage to try to get rid of some of the funding for some of the most egregious parts of Obama care hey let's say -- -- the rest of the government.
And the house funds the rest of the government.
Except for -- -- and then the president Nancy Pelosi Harry shut the government down but every other part of the government you fund.
What should the reaction how should pull politically how should the Republicans.
Position that considering they're going to be blamed.
Well the thing -- -- the Republicans have already announced is going to be a shutdown of government.
Myself Michael -- Ted -- we're not arguing to shut down the government.
We're arguing to defund obamacare but the Republicans that are announcing surrender they've already taken the next -- they're saying.
Oh you wanna shut down government no we don't we want to defund obamacare we want to defund it disastrous program that is gonna bankrupt state governments.
Is going to bankrupt individuals.
Is gonna cause -- lose their insurance and is going to really hurt precisely the people you wanna help.
The working class people who were working hourly jobs at McDonald's or Burger King are doing the service industry.
We're afraid they're gonna lose hours and become part time workers.
As people decide to discover how expensive insurance is going to be.
We're standing up for what we believe in.
And we wanna use the leverage of the people who voted for us to try to get reform in government I don't see -- anybody -- criticize that -- I would argue that didn't most Republicans run on repealing obamacare isn't this really the only chance you have to do so what do you say to those Republicans adult.
Over the war afraid to do it.
Well that's what I get when I go home people say it marching and at least try.
I can guarantee victory I can guarantee -- the Democrats were except as they probably won't.
But why don't we push back and say what we want we were elected to represent the people who said defund obamacare so I think we should represent them.
All right senator good to see -- appreciate being with us thank you.
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