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We're hearing calls for a rain -- it new investigation into reports of political targeting by the IR -- After documents on the singling out of conservative groups applying for tax exempt status.
Reveal that some groups may have been targeted even after their applications and status had long already been approved.
California Republican congressman Darrell -- the chairman of the house committee on oversight and government reform joins us now live chairman thank you for -- time today.
But think you -- and this is an extension of the existing investigation because not only did groups take years and perhaps never get approved.
But it appears now that there was additional scrutiny.
Ordered for these organizations even after a few of them were granted they're 501 C force.
Adams again let's talk about some of those I know -- you've identified the leadership institute it's been around since 1970.
The that Clare Boothe Luce policy institute also another longtime institution in the DC game.
These weren't -- he's more brand new Tea Party applications these -- groups that have been around for quite awhile.
And it sound like they're telling a story of it during a -- critical time in the political cycle in 2011 and 2012.
On being -- the to the -- -- have you spent a lot of time a lot of money to answer these questions new questions from the IRS.
Well exactly Shannon and one thing I think those -- your listeners need to understand is 501 C four.
You don't get a tax deduction for giving to them so this is not where you get a write off it's not considered -- charity they simply don't pay taxes on the revenue they're given.
To do their work which can include nearly half of their activities being political many people don't understand.
This is not -- should not be that tough to get.
As a status this is the status of basically advocate or advocacy and education organizations.
Which both of these groups.
Work all right as you continue multiple on multiple fronts with the IRS and trying to get some answers the ranking member on your committee your colleague.
Congressman Elijah Cummings is firing back going public with a letter in he says that basically you're not telling the whole truth.
About what's gone on with these different groups he closes his latest letter saying.
It's unfortunate that you persist in this pattern of selectively releasing quotes and set of conducting a responsible investigation focus on implementing real reforms.
I urge you to focus on obtaining the full set backs rather than making unsubstantiated.
Cummings is part of the administration in this case he is systematically trying to help them.
They give him releases a small amounts of leases that help his position.
But before our committee when asked.
The inspector general would ask was there on unfair targeting of Tea Party groups he said yes.
Asked where that was their similar treatment a progressive groups he said no.
And so that really flies in the face of the president and Elijah Cummings claim that somehow I'm making this about Tea Party when it should be about progressive groups also.
And more importantly the -- -- arrest has given us less than 1% actually only about two tenths of 1% of the documents that they've identified.
And most up and show up looking like a black out eating -- -- midnight.
They're completely obliterated.
So that you really not getting a page that you can read even one word on.
That kind of stonewalling is what we're going to be talking to commissioner were cool about this week.
It's one of the problems we have is the IRS well trying to pretend it's -- real scandal.
Scandal is standing behind this so called 6103 in giving no information -- and almost no information to the Ways and Means Committee.
This kind of problem is exactly what we're dealing with with an administration that will admit individually these are scandals and then calls and phony scandals in the aggregate.
-- at least my next question because now you mentioned the acting IRS commissioner dating -- -- Who you know it was put there to clean things up and to get some answers for you the president went public and said -- he was also.
-- outraged about what was going up RS he said it's wrong if they were targeting people politically.
And vowed to get some answers itself we have mr.
-- now acting in this position -- sentinel letter you sent a letter talking about what -- haven't haven't gotten from him.
You say that there's been a sit the systematic manner in which Cyrus has attempted to delay -- frustrate impede and obstruct the committee's investigation.
There's a little legalese and there but those sound like some pretty serious charges what he's saying exactly.
Well under eighteen USC.
-- you can get up to five years.
For obstructing -- congressional investigation.
We've had documents we -- they clearly were blacked out when the underneath those documents are -- words many words we should be able to see.
And we're objecting to -- we're objecting to this more importantly you characterize -- were -- He's a political appointee he was a political appointee in the office of management budget.
He has been part of an administration that is stonewalled any kind of transparency.
One of a Republican majority in the house they were very content to talk about transparency for the first two years when Democrats didn't ask any questions.
They're not so -- willing to do it for the last four so you know do I want getting -- for the going to clean house absolutely.
Do I believe he has been a long time part of the don't answer the questions delay deny and obstruct.
Absolutely in my letter said so.
All right chairman accent thank you very much keep us updated -- -- -- --
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