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-- is good for everybody Senator Kerry says deal is hope fall within nine months act we really seem to have hood.
All of this many times -- -- Michael is that any reason to have any greater optimism that we had before.
Well I don't know if there's reason to have greater optimism but there is reason to try and I'll give a couple of factors why.
First of all we have the Arab states more fully engaged from the outset then we have before.
Second secretary -- -- this investment fund concept that he helped put together for the Palestinians if they can agree.
With the Israelis and the establish a state and that has to give the Palestinians.
Some incentive also.
Four of the Fatah in the West Bank they have to have some way to say that they're better for the Palestinian people then Hamas over in Gaza.
And one way to prove it is to create a state.
Get diplomatic recognition and get economic investment.
-- another reason that we can be hopeful is that we've been working harder with general John Allen and others to try to think through what kind of international security.
Assistance would be appropriate for enforcing a peace deal in a way that both sides could find acceptable because Israel's gonna have to pull back.
For many of the areas that are presently occupies -- this -- deal ever happens and then finally you know Netanyahu it's a little bit like.
Nixon going to China it's the hardliner who could probably bring along his own domestic politics if he decided it was a good idea.
And one reason why he may decide it's a good idea.
Is because he sees the demographics.
Increasingly Palestinians being.
You know a larger number within the broader area of Israel.
Then Jews and he wants Israel to be a Jewish majority state the way to do that is to have Palestine be a separate state -- -- there are a lot of reasons why it could work I'm not predicting that it will work.
But it could.
Nine month seems extraordinarily quick as well though Michael to get.
-- know everybody knows the broad outlines of the -- being known birdie AL a couple of decades probably of these kind of told the broad outlines of where we go.
But the sticking point it always becomes.
The exact borders but probably something close to the -- to the pre 96 is -- -- borders.
-- but then most of all the status of Jerusalem.
That Netanyahu is on record as saying again and again it is the eternal and will be beyond divided.
-- capital of Israel that's something that you can't get costs -- I don't know may be the way you do it is that and you know I'm not an expert on the block by block geography of Jerusalem bash you know.
You can say that -- -- Jews and the Israelis are running western Jerusalem but they call it Jerusalem.
And they referred to the Palestinian capital as East Jerusalem with the Palestinians call that part Jerusalem in other words he may be able to handle some of this with semantics you obviously cannot.
-- handle disputed individual streets and and you know parks and historic sites.
And historical locations with that kind of semantics but if it's just a question.
The Israelis being able to say that they still controlled Jerusalem.
The Palestinians being able to say they also have a capital in Jerusalem maybe some clever.
You know definitions of what's Jerusalem and what's not.
Can actually help both sides through that -- so I'm not gonna give up on that especially because.
If the Palestinians.
You know it basically except that they're not gonna have indefinite right of return into Israel.
Israel's gonna have to grant them some thing.
And being able to say that part of East Jerusalem is now -- the Palestinian capital.
That's not an unreasonable request I agree with your point Israelis haven't wanted to do that before.
But they know there's some pretty high stakes here.
And and I hope that they will read rethink that.
Yeah I would just be hearing from Tzipi Livni who has you know is involved in these negotiations on the Israeli side saying.
We need to complete our mission in these negotiations a new opportunity has been -- for all of us and it shouldn't be wasted.
And I guess that's the attitude you're talking about when not necessarily need for optimism but it.
And everybody has a duty to try if they'll approach it like that -- maybe we can be slightly more optimistic.
Yes but I and also I think you know very bottom line considerations the Israelis cannot be secure forever by occupying.
Palestinian controlled territory it's just not gonna work -- at some point somewhere in the future I don't even know the United States is gonna stay quite as much by Israel's side if that becomes the blatant obvious Israeli position the Palestinians cannot succeed if they don't.
Have the courage to make some compromises to.
And get the kind of recognition that allows for investment.
That allows for peaceful development of their own territory and if the Fatah movement.
Can never deliver peace and prosperity it's gonna lose out to Hamas within its own population and its own people so both sides have some pretty strong incentives some some fears they should really partially afraid of the current status quo and not just trying to make a brave positive step for peace.
All right Michael are great to get your perspective and expertise as always thank you very much indeed sir.
Michael -- director research and senior fellow in foreign policy at the Brookings Institution one of -- shoppers' minds.
On all math Clinton matters middle.
The -- great to have him on the show I was always out.
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