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Let's start with the politics.
This back and forth today the president was up on the hill.
And rallying Democrats only talking the Democrats.
Today did not talk to Republicans -- on Capitol Hill.
Take a listen to senator Schumer and speak bad.
-- corpus is so completely united here they are divided.
They're all over the lot.
Some people wanna shut down the government for this reason some people wanna shut down the government for that reason some people don't think they should shut the government down at all instead of working together the president yesterday threaten them.
Shut down the government and recycled some of those old partisan proposals.
And his -- -- yesterday it would actually brick or small businesses but Avaya a higher tax rates -- big companies.
-- -- -- familiar is that you have to take some of that revenue and -- for more of a stimulus spending.
We have a spending problem here in Washington did have to be addressed.
And -- Never given up hope.
The Washington -- -- answers about solving.
And be an insult our fiscal.
So the back and forth continues what did you make of the press trip -- There.
Well I I think senator Schumer and maybe overstating the unity of that the democratic side -- he's right to the Republicans are divided for sure that's true.
But Democrats are -- to some extent they're really worried about Obama -- implementation on the first to January they're concerned about the optics about the politics of you know putting -- in place for -- for businesses.
To -- than than his mandate but leaving the personal mandate in place.
And they're they're worried about Larry Summers you know there are a lot of Democrats who don't like Larry Summers -- think he's too right wing doesn't look -- the world they live -- On here's what you know relatively bottoms up for a possible federal courts are of course is exactly right former Clinton official former economic advisor to President Obama -- And there are a -- of and -- the end of the left of the Democratic Caucus who resented.
Basically Bill Clinton's economic policies and Larry Summers as their spokesman for an awful long time there's also the sense.
-- -- anti women is respect for marketing and -- president of Harvard that women.
-- -- good at science and that was an app in question was in the -- and that infuriated.
A lot of people want feminist so was interesting to me is how Obama is pushing him any way and got sort of wonder if you're Obama.
You know your goal is to get immigration reform passed because that -- your party will be running the American government forever why do you wasting time -- the fight over Larry Summers I don't get it.
-- Well the Democrats are not pleased with Obama I and they are very worried about mid term elections are worried about.
The health care law for the third election in a row.
They're worried about.
This small amount of competitive seats and whether or not that they have any chance.
To a take back the house which is seventeen seats and probably out of respect that they might even lose seats did you have some signals that that was contentious in this meeting you know that the Larry -- -- was the most contentious moment there -- -- pretty much.
A lot of assurance from the president that.
-- it's going to be great you're on me on the right side of history you go home this month in August and you tell your constituents he will be implemented in the trains run on time.
And it's all gonna work out.
And you've got to stick with -- and that's that is a concern because is is going to be a long five weeks for Democrats I'm talking to people who have read all the stories in the paper.
About the cost going up about.
The limited choices perhaps losing their doctor.
And on and on so very they're very nervous -- they didn't get into a scrap with President Obama about it.
They are they know I mean a lot of Democrats.
Tentatively he doesn't reach out and work and -- the congress work enough with them.
But they know that he's best when he has a -- and right now what's happening in the Republican Party which in twenty years of they know covering both parties I I've never seen anything like this actually.
Is is really so staggering that they -- going to be able to go home and talk about.
Republicans like Ted -- threatening Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.
With their petition.
Two -- funds the government and shouted down if they don't -- find obamacare so.
As long as they have that to discuss and -- long hot August recess the Democrats.
Have something to which you distract from from a from Obama.
Not that there are not upset at present it's often they're not worried but it's generally been and expect -- it but it's a spectacular week in terms of.
The Republicans giving Obama the -- -- looking like -- grown up.
Proposing things even if they don't agree with them like corporate tax cuts etc.
while they fight about procedure and whether or not to -- government down.
So you mentioned said Krueger's.
He said this on -- -- about his -- push to.
The government funding them to defund obamacare.
Harry Reid and President Obama would scream and -- those mean nasty Republicans are threatening to shut down the government.
And at that point we've got to stand up and fight and win the argument we've got to make the case and say.
-- we have voted to fund the federal government we want defense fund the federal government.
And why is President Obama threatening to shut down the entire federal government in order to force obamacare down our throats.
That's the question we've got to win the argument.
Do you think different.
Look I've been argument has some logic to it and that is the argument you would make.
At the same time when we came -- the fiscal cliff.
In January the Republicans also had an argument.
We don't want to raise anyone's taxes his administration wants to end up doing that.
They had all these arguments and I got a crush.
The media are gonna play this the way they've played it in 95.
They'll play the way they they did it in August of 2000 we have seen the movie.
Crews -- he's you know invent a new one.
The movie is going to be very simple there's a resolution that the CR -- doing good resolution.
-- we'll continue to government as it is but even approve it or not if you don't the government shuts down if it shuts down.
We -- gonna have a catastrophe for the GOP in the end they won't cave -- they will be humiliated as they were.
In January had -- fiscal cliff and it isn't unnecessary.
Self inflicted when the administration itself.
The president as it has hold of no issue he has to go on the road and talk up an economy which is the weakest recovery.
Since the Second World War he has a new proposal that mean he tries to -- he's offering a grand bargain it's nothing of the sort.
It's a tax increase on corporations.
Because of the closing of loopholes.
With a mild decrease in rates but overall -- an increase.
In the taxes sent into the treasury and the money is to be used for stimulus.
It's the tax and spend of the eighties repackaged it's actually it -- -- it is so ancient.
That it it takes incredible audacity for the president actually sell -- as new and as a bargain in the compromise like.
Yeah that's all he's got quite yet Republicans have this Fisher that day I mean it is.
As you say be palpable and it it is in this town it is you feel it.
And you had Rush Limbaugh and Greta last night.
Saying this about Republicans in general.
The Republican Party is trying to push itself away.
From its conservative base on a number of issues I don't -- push back against -- Obama wants to do.
The Republican establishment seems to be going along with them.
Obama care and immigration reform amnesty whatever it is there's no disagreement there is no push back on -- -- It is frightening I gotta say how many on the hill and you in the senate on.
Dislike Ted -- more than like anybody on the on the others it's almost.
Palin ask it really is and I don't mean I -- I -- like take it personally.
Partly because of wells dislikes -- part because.
There's a compelling logic to his macro case it you know I think and I -- Charles instance on the details may be wrong.
But -- basic faces up whatever even -- it hasn't worked can run the government into the ground it's unsustainable that is true we did that here in Washington.
You know it's kind of understandable that the people who are implicated in the manifold failures of the last fifteen years in congress -- be mad at those pointing.
Those failures out but I think the division's.
If we're talking about the last five years do we does not include that -- be.
Elections have consequences we lost in those six -- conservatives.
We lost in no way we were crushed.
The other side got control of every instrument.
And they pass constitutionally.
-- agenda particularly the stimulus and obamacare.
We held them back on cap and trade have a few other things yes -- we had a few Democrats on our side.
There's no way to stop Obama -- as long as Obama is in the White House it can't be done unless you have a revolution.
So I mean I understand the frustration but let's be logical here.
Does the GOP has an excellent chance of perhaps even when he -- -- that next.
And the White House and sixteen the worst thing you can do now tactically.
-- to get into a fight with a failing administration.
A flailing administration.
Over a shutdown of the government when it will not achieve the objective if it did achieve the objective of stopping Obama can.
I support the shot.
There's not one chance and -- hundred that it will.
Men women Republicans and independents tend to agree with rush's argument that congress is not doing enough to push back on Obama.
Peak intensity of the night for being so far men and women Republicans and independents was around the discussion of shutting down government to.
Push back on Obama care.
As you see all of these charts we're getting the specific points.
-- its interest in when you have this argument.
Inside Washington and you have it outside wash and they're two different things because what somebody doesn't fully.
Appreciate what's going to work or what's not going to work -- the legislative sausage making.
You know perhaps it's it is pretty easy to say.
Forget these guys they all stink get him out of -- shut down the government they're not doing good things happening.
It it is.
Then at the grassroots level there's been so much simmering frustration at the end of the Bush Administration about spending.
And they took the path at the house back and twenty Chan thought everything was gonna change the problem is that -- enough votes enough controlled situation.
They're de facto control.
Of blocking -- senate but they don't control it and they don't have the White House and he lost it in Tony twelfth.
So we -- all these months later at what the parties time to try to come together.
And figure out a plan to win an election so that they here so that their policies can be enacted.
But you have them more divided than ever more divided as I said I've ever seen Ted Cruz in you know to Tucker's point.
It in in a broad theme yes it makes sense nothing that we've done here has has made sense so it's time did you sign right that in breaking glass.
It might be hard for someone to understand in Michigan.
That here you actually have to govern and that as Charles said when you do that when you risk default or you risk -- the government.
You always get the blame -- -- -- stupid -- exactly if I mean I know so if it's that likely to fail.
I know that it is palpable as I said the Republicans split in the back and forth in the party but to Tucker's point.
There is a split in the Democratic Party to there -- Democrats from red states were having a hard time talking about obamacare.
There are Democrats who have a hard time talking about the national debt in this administration's plan for its budget and and so to say that like Chuck Schumer said that Democrats are.
It's a little disingenuous -- it's not entirely true but it's easy to -- to cover over 'cause they're remaining quiet.
And they're letting this happen on the Republican side all eyes have been on -- Republican Party since that Romney lost what it was -- due to broaden the tent.
What it was gonna -- get the White House back not just.
You know the -- the house has -- On the Republicans have on the house -- in terms in the hope that there's a good shot at getting the senate back.
And the Republican hands but what do they -- to -- -- national coalition the white house -- they've had this big family feud.
About disagreement over gay marriage discreet never immigration.
Now it's strong policy now it's NSA surveillance programs it's spreading like wildfire and they're shouting at each other openly in the public enough to the point.
Where they've broken through the Anthony Weiner story which is no small feat.
And -- made sure that this is gonna go in as I said to the recess now I don't think armed agent they won't ripped through the Anthony Weiner story her eye level I would -- physical I -- -- -- argue.
-- -- that at some point.
I believe the Republicans will hold the house and I have a good chance the senate.
And fourteen I believe at some point the Republicans will have to think about how the women sixteen and I think what's happening now has a fax.
That will ripple enables -- frankly 2014.
Will be a huge determining factor.
-- but but yeah.
But what it is just things that I think this is the core problem for Republicans the most popular.
Democrats are elected office the most popular Republicans.
They don't have a leader the Republican Party in the congress doesn't have -- universally recognized we are so.
So when we're you know trying to take the pulse of conservatives who -- you interview Rush Limbaugh.
Well tacklers always threatens our elected Tony things are responsible for anything.
That is not.
You don't want that if you're the Republican Party need to have.
Someone who was -- officeholder.
Tucker there's nothing new with that it's always true in our system of government non parliamentary system.
The opposition's -- nobody.
In in Canada in England you've got to.
A shadow minister of this shadow prime minister and sometimes you have a second place finisher in the presidential race that's usually an -- and usually.
Lifted up to be that sometimes but let's look at the four years the eight years of the Bush Administration.
When did the Democrats were out of office in the years 2001.
Until oh until the election though for.
Who live -- of the Democratic Party nobody.
There was no -- if I do works itself out in the American system in a way very different from others.
People enter the -- they work it out.
The Republicans have a very strong field.
Looking into the next presidential election extremely impressive young candidates but unlike the field.
That we had in 2012.
I think in in in the upcoming mid terms Republicans have a good shot -- the senate and in the election in the presidential to have a good -- -- presence.
Everybody is lamenting the captains -- -- -- -- never have that in opposition perhaps you'd say that they.
I mean I can't even think in the Reagan years was there anybody who represented the Democrats.
I suppose Mondale in the first go around.
Although he almost lost the nomination and that.
-- to -- me I agree completely the field is super impressive.
But we'll hear they're coming from different polls that -- -- inside this weakening Rand Paul and Chris Christie.
I think are both and I know them both genuinely impressive -- truly talented politicians.
But -- world views are literally at odds of one another there's almost no union set to their beliefs they ask someone's gonna win the open for.
First -- you know but obamacare is the only thing.
Unites the party right now period because when you fight about federal spending you have senator Ted cruises.
Top staffers insulting Tom Coburn who is spent every week in the senate blocking.
Bills he could spend too much.
This is so nodding my my point -- is that I think if they have a very good -- Marty is a very good when he fourteen election and I think that they well I'm.
I really would bet my paycheck that they all the house.
Even pick up seats and -- we can get the senate.
That will tell the base that it was a resounding rejection of the president's policies.
Win at that point you can go to -- primary process that's like a circus sideshow.
-- Marco Rubio where on the left and Chris Christie on the left.
Of cruise and Paul on the right.
-- Rick Santorum is promising to revisit that the primary is well they're -- be others that pop up.
This is going to be such a divided party in the best to -- 1016 primary unless these.
I don't know what's gonna happen with immigration Arnold was coming right -- -- -- what I'm saying like 2014 is so determined -- perhaps.
Is that if a conservative wing elects a lot of conservative.
Towards a Tea Party kind of candidate in the house and perhaps in the -- even.
Is there then.
He thought that either one that worked in the off here we need to push for that kind of Camden -- sixteen or two.
We need to come back towards the independents in the middle to attract.
That you don't -- -- mean Tony fourteen will be very determined is looking for all.
I think it'll give some indication that I think in the end.
It will depend on the quality of the candidate and the quality of the debate look everybody is decrying that Christie ran.
-- dust up over national security that is very healthy.
The Republicans ever for the last century have had a strong isolationist inclination.
Suppressed after Pearl Harbor.
But everybody expected -- at the end of the Cold War the glue that held them together.
With the international this would disappear.
And -- had to fight it was postponed by 9/11.
And the rise of is optimism but now twelve years into that fight.
It's out there it's a healthy one Republicans have to debate.
Intervention -- and you've got strong.
Proponents of each side and ran -- -- and of course McCain and Lindsey Graham in the senate.
The fight has to be -- can be of course you want it's not I think I would deprived people making -- that hominem.
But there's nothing wrong with a party.
Working out the way that the Democrats after getting shellacked.
In the eighties had worked out on the centrist political.
Argument that Clinton had articulated.
As a kind of kind of a third way that's how a party.
Re establish himself and finds its way.
Women tend to disagree with -- the Republicans will pick up seats in the house.
When Charles was making.
The argument about the absence of a leader in the GOP it was one of the highest intensity moments for Republicans and men of the night.
As we're talking about this not to engage with the numbers and stats but -- has a new poll out about the GOP.
And it says to do better and in the future presidential elections the GOP needs to.
Make minor changes.
30% address major problem 67%.
Don't know the GOP leaders should move in a more conservative direction 54%.
Moderate direction 40%.
And then 5% there and then in dealing with congressional Democrats Republicans in congress have compromise too much in the UC 35%.
Handled this just about right here's what senator Harry Reid -- about the recent Republican efforts.
And then encourage see more Republicans break from the Tea Party control leadership.
And they are working with us.
On bipartisan compromise on a wide range of issues.
-- -- agree on everything of course not.
But I hope the trend will continue in the months ahead.
Our doors often.
-- ready to work with anyone who wants to do the right thing.
For the economy and middle class -- so is the president.
You know that that is I I think it's a winning in his -- is -- but it's I think it's a winning message for Democrats than reestablishing America's middle class act.
I think that.
You know -- -- for some answers and I think.
The -- income inequality is actually a real problem in America it's totally real in there are actual challenges facing middle class that's not a figment of the -- -- It's solutions are stupid.
And counterproductive but it's a real problem and if they can keep singing that song -- you know that's -- that's a problem I think Republicans stepping need.
To count on that somehow because that is.
The issue that you could start with a fact.
That Obama has been saying and that's -- for his entire administration.
In the meantime the middle class the median income United States.
Has declined by 5% yes so he sings and I saw on the policies undermine everything that he sings about.
That's a pretty strong.
I agree completely.
-- why -- Republican.
-- -- -- I could put it why why is it left to Obama say that -- -- like a natural Republican issue I agree completely.
I I just.
I think that Brad has good point that when you're out in that country and you look at what's going on -- -- -- Washington so broken.
You think that people should come here and clean it up but.
I wonder you know -- -- just in less than a year you know there's Paul Ryan toiling in the hallways never ever talking to reporters.
Working day and night to try to get immigration reform passed and he's considered like this complete traitor to the cause the of the -- what Ann Coulter said about him.
And he's doing what they -- very hard to legislate.
And brings something together and bring the party to a solution that John Boehner -- agrees with but can't say it out loud.
It really is quite something I mean.
In terms the division all of the business leaders that are begging house Republicans to pass a bill with citizenship isn't deep divisions will they be resolved.
In time as Rand Paul Ted Cruz Chris Christie and all these folks hit the John.
And I and what they're doing is carving out separate spaces.
That divides the party and I just think -- it I think it's at a divided I think we need -- Republican Party that's pulled together in this country it's not bad for anybody.
To have the Republican Party split that you -- -- comments Dave observers as we head to middle candidates in 2008 and 2012.
Look where that got us conservative.
Lack says -- that's why the run.
Up to 2014 in the run up to -- fourteen is crucial.
But -- it is -- that.
That's why you have to keep -- -- On the ball which is the election Obama everything he's doing.
Economic rhetoric tour.
The pep talk that he did in congress is all about the upcoming elections he understands that it's all at stake -- that.
Where Republicans are looking -- short game.
About -- shut down with America have an effect and forgetting about its effect on the election which is -- -- change the country.
Really mom and North Carolina this is Chris Christie has burned a lot of bridges.
GOP needs get back to worry too conservative values.
If we pick up any seats -- 2014.
-- will be due to the Tea Party.
Share -- 99 Santorum -- he won't even make it through Iowa at this time.
Mitzi in Atlanta time for a third party.
Can I just say one thing slightly contrary.
I think given the cards they were -- Which is losing control of every instrument.
Of the power except the house for all these years Republicans have done well in the region to Washington is broken.
Is because the Republicans have succeeded when they -- it.
After the first two years in stopping the Obama agenda which is their number one role.
The problem is that when you get.
And you get in your head that you can govern from a single house you end up -- -- of these fantasies -- didn't stop obamacare.
Which under our constitution.
Already is law and the way -- can have any kind of repeal.
Is with the president's signature and he's not gonna sign that.
So I think realistically -- with the one exception an immigration which is a real debate the real argument and the split in the party wishes.
All the other issues I think -- interesting and serious arguments which I think I was doubled over that one.
You've got an issue where you cannot have the two sides agree.
Almost everyone disagrees by the way I was -- Reid's statement that Republicans Democrats are working together including majority the Democrats tonight.
One of the highest intensity moments of the night in terms of voting.
Negatively men and women Republicans and independents overwhelmingly agree with Charles an old book Obama President Obama sings -- -- solve it doesn't do much in terms of action.
They're very high intensity moment as well.
Democrats and Republicans and independents agree.
That AB's argument that Republicans would do well in the next cycle.
Is accurate but women disagree as I said before -- -- those original women.
Just want to say one thing though about about about the disagreeing with senator -- senate Republicans are working and the president and visit with.
Then today but they've been working with chief of staff and -- -- out for months and months and months and months on a regular quiet basis.
It's been going on since March the at least senate Republicans and there's sad there's about ten or twelve of them and it -- and sometimes -- -- with Gene Sperling as well.
I have spoken with -- -- is an earnest effort on both and to try to come to some kind of resolutions of the budget situation and I.
Harold anyone who are on either side who was sitting down and earnestly working to try to get some kind of Medicare reform or something that can break the impasse this fall so I give them credit for.
Four doing that you know I know my my -- of bipartisanship is not as popular.
-- with everyone but I think it's really constructive given the fact that everyone out in the country thinks they never talk -- -- they actually do.
Most people do agree that Paul Ryan has closed himself off the -- that there's a bad perception out of him out there and men and women and people across the particles that spectrum overwhelmingly.
Agree that it's time for a third party that.
Tucker well that has -- That will not happen.
Third parties are like bees they sting once and then a guy that went in the third parties to introduce a previously neglected issue into the mainstream of what -- That was the first of the Ross Perot candidacy in 92 but actually the beauty of our system -- reason our system is moderate fundamentally moderate.
Is because the parties don't represent people with very much precision.
The more parties you have -- more precisely be represented different political categories the more power you give to the fringes issue -- system.
So we have these big lumbering warring parties frustrate the heck out of everyone and that's good.
That said the system to get to the candidate is.
Seems a little long number was number two it can draw.
The parties to their extremes before they come back to -- -- but nothing compared I mean if you've been there more parties you happen to think of that interest groups who despise most whether -- -- RA or narrow whatever depending on where he wore.
In a multi party system that's the -- that's the part of all -- -- but you empower the fringes and you know that's fun from our point -- financial and I'm kind of an intense political person I might find it gratifying but -- not good for your country actually to have exciting politics.
Italy and Israel -- -- proliferation of small parties and doing essentially nothing.
Because of the of the that the fringe parties are the ones who control who gets he had 6% of the vote you control who lives up in power so you get your.
You pay off.
I mean it's true our parties negotiate inside themselves.
-- -- a consensus.
And that's how we -- stability that's why we're on our first republic.
And the French I have fifth.
There that -- that's right the process is too long and needs to change.
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