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Welcome to The Journal Editorial Report I'm -- if you go well.
If you find it your fourth that was -- message this week from a group of conservative lawmakers to fellow Republicans.
As they continue their push to make.
The plan which could result in a government shut down.
Is being met with resistance by some of the GOP with critics calling it political suicide.
But Florida senator Marco Rubio had this message for his skeptical colleagues.
-- We pass a budget in September that funds obamacare.
You did not do everything you put you pay for this you doubled down on -- In ways that would have irreparable harm to our economy and to our country this is our last best chance.
Joining the panel this week Wall Street Journal columnist and deputy editor Dan had bigger -- and editorial page editor James Freeman and Washington.
Columnist Kim strap muscles so Dan.
This rubio strategy.
What do you think of I think it's probably multiple other than the fund raising possibilities for all the principals involved and that aside.
I think as a strategy.
The way were describing an hour we will describe it it will have a lot of detail and it.
And the problem is this is about the budget okay for an end to hold up funding the whole government which is and invariably a complex subject.
If they pursue this strategy.
About -- Obama care yes I think they're going to get some support for -- the gonna get the support of about 43%.
Of the country.
The rest of the country watches this -- will roll forward towards the shut down.
And then all I'm convinced all of the media coverage will immediately start every TV station out there.
Talking about the -- of -- government shut down.
And I think this tsunamis.
Of negative coverage is simply gonna wash the Republicans out to see one more time.
People are not going to be able to focus on the complex details of this strategy come about the budget.
And funding the government am not about Obama -- change should.
-- well I think it is going to be about obamacare and this is why it's different in some ways from some earlier fights where Republicans are not trying to reform all of government at the deadline do do the annual spending bill.
They're just saying specifically.
Not obamacare very unpopular law and do you think -- had no question all that but do you think that they can.
Make that case and make it about that when Obama's gonna be saying the opposite he's going to be saying Republicans -- to shut down the government in order to deny health care to poor people.
-- -- -- The debate OK but and I think he's right and that's what effect.
I think in which you can clearly state this is not about poor -- we know they already get Medicaid obamacare is about hooking on the rest of us already escalating health care.
I don't see a lot of downside here because.
If but either they force us some reform may be into that.
If it's too much to hope that they get the president to kill pump -- obviously -- -- awesome -- is in the implementation of it and on the others on the other hand what.
You have you have the the government shuts down for a few days may be some EPA employees will be considered nonessential and -- people will be able to drill for more oil -- -- night.
I don't really see -- popping -- What the downside.
-- can that Republicans really hold out and shut down showdown if for example the national parks start getting shut down the air traffic controllers don't show up for for for work.
I've been through to this rodeo before and I don't think that I've seen -- that the Republicans that -- can maintain a united front here which is what you have to do to succeed.
Local one of the reasons that this has been pushed off till now is because the Republicans lost this battle a couple of times and they decided to wait until this fall to try to tackle something like -- again.
The problem here Paul is that they cannot delineate and and K okay even at the house were to pass the bill defining -- -- even if it.
Got a senate vote over the opposition of senate majority leader Harry Reid even if it made it miraculously to the president's desk.
He will beat -- and that point you'd need 22 senate Democrats to overcome that veto.
It's never going to happen.
And yet there is more more noble -- the funding.
Obamacare but you have to do is Smart you have to do -- and -- you can win which is why some Republicans are advocating pushing -- -- seeing if you can't get.
This -- better leverage for instance in the debt ceiling debate -- -- something feature.
It took to extract some concessions or simply continue to let this bill -- up and then see what you can get.
I've talked to some of those those senators and other activists were the five behind us and they basically say look Republicans have to be shown to be fighting for something because.
If they don't if they don't really at least make the effort here then it's gonna didn't demoralize the base is that gonna hurt the Republican Party going and 2014.
You know Paul.
I'm very sympathetic with that point of view I understand there desire to fight back there should be more about.
I'd like to propose -- of possibility here that they're not considering which is that.
Obamacare is in bigger trouble than they think right structurally this isn't the last chance I don't think it's -- and I think we could be looking at an historic -- collapse of that.
The liberal idea.
This is a big entitlement.
They pushed it forward and if this thing implode on its own I think that the the significance of that will truly be historic if your opposition is destroying itself I think your job -- to stand back and lot of you think though the danger is a Kim okay go to -- the danger I.
Suppose what that is that those subsidies once they kick -- will create a constituency for the bill.
Support more support and then you'll never be able to repeal it that's the other alternative argument.
That is -- that is true and that is the alternative argument and it's the fear.
What can I just to point out too I think you make a bigger mistake how much more is the Republican base going to be demoralized.
-- these people claim that they can accomplish this -- in -- they can't in all collapses and sales and Republicans are blamed for it.
Bert are gay couple -- -- one 2011 debt ceiling fight the Republicans got the sequester out of it.
President Obama's popularity was down -- among independents that worked out okay for the Republicans.
There isn't downside here that you turn his failure into your failure and -- you become responsible but right.
There's also the problem I agree it's gonna fail but it may not fail as quickly next year as some people will enjoy getting new subsidies you know I agree with them and it's not so much tradition the -- -- high risk political leaders strategy.
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