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-- -- house committee now claiming that the IRS is still targeting conservative groups the chairman of the house Ways and Means Committee releasing part of a transcript.
From an interview with an unidentified agent.
Back committee member asking the following.
So you would -- -- Tea Party group is a political advocacy case even.
If there is no evidence of political activity on the application.
Is that right.
The agent answers based on my current managers direction -- -- secular is the executive director of the American center for law and justice and he represents 41 targeted groups in this ongoing story Jordan welcome back -- good morning.
-- you know what what do we need to understand about the limited.
Knowledge we have about the conversation that I just read here sure well first we can go to.
What -- Obama said and the administration has said which was that the targeting stopped.
May have 2012.
And then we came out we -- way we've got letters as of may six of 4013 just a couple months ago.
This scandal broke just about exactly what tomorrow marks the three month mark for when low whistler went on.
And answered that -- question that was planted and said while the -- arrested inappropriately targeted Tea Party but it stopped a while ago and everything's fine now.
This agent's testimony would confirm what many have expected.
Which is that the IRS has still not fixed the problem internally that they have not been able to self correct.
And so they can not actually move forward with any of these applicants show what you are -- Tea Party group.
Or someone who has the network patriot -- liberty things like that in your name and you apply for tax exempt status you'll get the same treatment as of today that's what this -- saying.
As the groups that we've represented -- our representing our loss okay.
-- have this is an IRS statement came out yesterday okay -- this IRS policy is now clear that screening is based on activity.
Not words in a name.
The IRS will not tolerate any deviation from this based on activity would seem to suggest the number of applications that come in.
And that's the reason why the red flags go up to you by.
Well that's what the agents say so they're giving testimony and sure they need to be -- to be further this is big news -- the IRS is still not able.
To stick it has it made the corrections that hasn't stopped targeting people.
Only because of that and the words in their name and because of the viewpoint they have you know that they're conservative groups that they have the word Tea Party and it.
And on top of that I would say that we still have these groups that we represented bill.
They still haven't gotten approved based on the got a yes or no from the IRS -- the -- tried to get didn't just self certified the longest group we have.
Is waited over thirteen hundred days they applied December of 2009.
Albuquerque Tea Party and have a Turkey New Mexico and they still not gotten a yes or no we filed a lawsuit so we have groups that average -- two and a half to three years that would -- don't notice it Jordan is there a liberal group that's been delayed that long.
We have not seen evidence of a single liberal group that got the real question bears asking about the auto -- info -- and have -- not want.
Not one that actually got this kind of scrutiny all people all applicants.
Should get scrutinized by the IRS that's fair.
But you shouldn't get this heightened level of scrutiny just because -- conservative with the word Tea Party -- liberty and no one has been able to give us evidence -- single liberal group.
Even those occupy groups which were also anti Obama by the way I would point out they have not come Ford said here looking.
Our question there yet Democrats say your cherry picking information -- is going in and selecting out certain aspects of a conversation.
Our parts of a letter and putting that out making it public to build up your argument but we just -- that.
I would say that the attorney general should have announced the criminal investigation three days after lowest -- answered a planted question that she coordinated with the deputy White House chief of staff.
And the White House counsel they are the ones who initiated the Obama administration initiated a criminal investigation.
Three days after this they brought this on themselves -- -- to got to close at -- they wanted to value -- so if this is true now OK hang up.
Based on the conversation related years that -- top of our conversation why would the IRS not stopped in his tracks its current policy.
Why would as you suggest that allow it to continue happening.
Well this goes back to the abolish the I -- Move it which -- come from this the fact that the IRS is so loaded.
That it it has an inability to self correct that the bureaucracy is out of control that they can say we did something wrong but they cannot fix it.
This is what we suspected was going on for years and now we're getting confirmation that it is still going on so I don't think there's anyone out there should trust that the IRS is going to fix this at all I mean they can't approve the groups we represented the -- for years why would you expect that they're going to be able to have this new process available if -- just apply what would you do us special prosecutor to get that done -- believe.
It may be necessary go look this is the key when you tiger would also be FBC information that came out bill.
This is why lowest murder took the fifth I mean these these are real criminal allegations are lies under oath.
As well as a continued targeting of conservatives only based on their viewpoint even though they try to make that caveat that -- well their political activity.
But it what only conservatives political activity and I've always seem forced can't engage in political activity so what's the problem.
During thank you George secular -- Washington animals who will be -- from a thank you.
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