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You get bit odd is that al-Qaeda have been decimated.
Osama bin Laden is dead.
Well throughout the president's campaign for reelection last year we heard him talk about the decimation.
But here's what the president said in his press conference on Friday.
Is on its heels has been decimated.
But what I also said was that.
And other extremist have metastasized.
Inter regional groups.
That can impose significant dangers.
Last week the State Department -- nineteen American outpost in the mideast and Africa.
And they evacuated the US embassy in Yemen this week they warned Americans not to travel to Pakistan and they evacuated non emergency personnel from the US consulate.
In Pakistan all because of terrorist threats.
Gary Bernsen is a decorated former CIA officer who served -- station chief on three separate occasions.
And led several of the agency's most important counterterrorism deployments.
He spent his career hunting down al-Qaeda.
He's also the author of a book jaw breaker the attack on bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
Gary joins me now.
Gary thanks for being here -- We close all these embassies and consulates all over the Middle East and Africa a good idea bad idea.
Well you know and yet the initial statement came out to -- closing the embassies it was purportedly based on intelligence that indicated there were threats against a wide variety.
The New York Times and released a report that it looked very very specific so the administration may have gone overboard.
In terms of just trying to protect themselves from criticism because of their mishandling of Ben Ghazi.
But you know part of the problem is is that it's a communications problem too for this administration they've demonstrated that they're not really adept in handling this.
First off you know you're gonna have continued threats from al-Qaeda as we go for -- it's not decimated.
That's -- first -- second issue is those embassies really aren't -- they're stating they're close but we're close to the public we don't people online out -- in case a car bomb goes off.
And we lose a couple of hundred foreign service nationals are out there will work.
We're trying to get visas principal officers are still working in those embassies many times almost all the Americans are working their so.
If they continue to close embassies -- the threat may announce a closure.
It looks very very bad it looks like al-Qaeda is sort of you know got us on the run or defeating a so they're gonna need to come out with a new sort of language for the status of embassies you know like.
Number one status -- -- status number one function fully.
Status number two principal officers only only.
Status number three extreme you're evacuating people but we don't want to say were closing the embassies that they really aren't closing them but they've made themselves look very bad Governor Huckabee.
-- Gary we hear this word chatter that you know you heard a lot of chatter going on that's funny clothes I think a lot of people in Indian of the general public who.
To us chatter means.
Talking among our friends.
When we hear this term.
A lot of chatter going on what does exist what exactly does that mean.
I sort of I I really I hate that term.
It's it's it's a term that's been created by politicos that don't do a counterterrorism -- -- for a living.
It's it it's -- represented that they're seeing things possibly.
In the Intel world weather -- human reporting or in signals intelligence that indicates that there's communications going on -- something's being planned.
It's it's not an accurate term it shouldn't be used but the reality as as they -- they've got some sense that some sort of attack or some operational planning going on.
And and that they're responding to it but it's it's a terrible term to use the president should use it anonymous policy -- should use it it sounds foolish actually.
Well that's why I'm not gonna use it anymore but I carry on the -- the stay away from that completely.
There's a new threat that we face -- a different kind of undetectable.
I know you've talked about you've written about extensively explained to us what's that the the next thing that could make all the things we're doing currently -- TSA.
Well of course you've got bomb makers in Yemen who who actually constructed the one particular bomb maker.
Who constructed a device put it inside the body cab even individual -- -- man to assassinate.
The chief of counterterrorism.
Then I have monitor the -- in Saudi Arabia.
You know there's a lot of engineering going on on the other side on the side of the terrorists.
That or did they understand that you know what we're doing our screening procedures they understand our technical abilities not trying to defeat them so.
You know we're gonna have to continue.
To be Smart about the way we do our our business.
We just can't rely on technical abilities we've got to have really good unit to defeat these guys.
We've got to take the risks of -- running human operations to penetrate the groups to know what they're doing before the fact but.
The whole issue of of liquid explosives is a very very damning and dangerous thing.
And and if we're not careful we can get beat and we get beat on this we lose a lot of people because.
Al-Qaeda and the al-Qaeda franchises and off shoots continued to have a a preoccupation with airlines and going after aircraft.
Well you know Gary and I am thinking we we did with the shoes we take your shoes off the underwear bomber they put their hands all over is -- into next open us up at the TSA checkpoint -- In a surgically room -- look us over I'm not sure if it's it's really scary it's hard to look.
Governor Huckabee when I was in -- Afghanistan in the early years we had a guy who had eight.
A grenade at that they inserted literally inside his body cavity inside his rectum and was attempting to detonate -- in a surgical ward.
Try to kill the doctors are working on -- while.
Shocking yeah out in -- any -- to kill our people that's a scary thought Gary thank you for being here it's a pleasure to have you on the show today.
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