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-- area which is causing problems and Madison US Mexican border you know what issues and the US immigration debate seems to be.
Got to seal the border some people say seal the border before you have.
And immigration law that's passed others say do it after -- joining us right now is Julie Myers what she's a former assistant secretary of Homeland Security.
An issue that sub cabinet officer.
And she was in charge of immigration and customs enforcement.
You know we -- it over the border security the border sealing the border between the United States and Mexico won the outstanding.
-- -- Well there are a lot of -- -- the issues you know the US is a place many people -- to go to -- right now we don't have -- immigration system that works.
So people try to come here -- get jobs illegally and stay here and because we haven't had a lot of enforcement over the last ten or fifteen years.
People build up equities you don't have homes have bank accounts and -- lots of problems.
I can -- madam secretary writes.
That Khalili and -- And you're not secretary.
I usually get an elastic Fox News has just broken the story in the last week about.
People presenting themselves at the US Mexican border and cleaning political asylum this is something new they seem to have the same phrase that they're -- using.
Is this some new techniques to get in the United States legally or even really know -- Well they're always been individuals from Mexico who have come here claiming asylum but traditionally very very few of those cases went far at all.
And it fact over 90% have been denied.
What we've seen over the last couple of weeks is that supposedly there are hundreds of people at the border.
All now claiming political asylum based on fear of drug cartels.
Let me -- some of those cases may be very real they may be able to show that they have a well founded fear of persecution but the fact that there -- a sudden surge in these cases.
Suggest that there could be some -- that needs to be -- Staten identified.
Did you don't enjoy what happens when somebody comes to the US -- -- as I claim political asylum.
I'm assuming that that can be somebody arriving at -- JFK airport or Newark Airport.
As well as any US border crossing what's the process.
That what bands -- -- and an investigating their claims and request for political asylum.
Well what someone claims political asylum the first step -- an interview by US CIA asked for the immigration services.
That determines whether or not they have a credible fear of persecution.
And this is just the first stage in -- to see whether or not the claims to be rejected outright or it should go before jacked.
And -- this is we're talking about all these individuals from Mexico they have not yet been granted asylum but US CIS has allegedly found that they have a credible fear persecution.
This means that they'll go before a judge -- case now the problem.
And the thing that is a troubling to many individuals as -- often once a credible fears -- Individuals are released from detention and then allowed to pursue their proceedings from some other point.
Up part of the last.
What traditionally is happened is that asylum cases drag on for years and years.
And so there's a lot of incentive for people that don't have legitimate claims to try to establish credible fear and it disappeared -- the US and that's the concern I think innocents.
Was present themselves -- -- -- political asylum are they showing up with their families as well.
It depends on the circumstance -- sometimes he'll come by themselves.
Sometimes they Kumble without family members.
Certainly we've seen some you know I think very significant and credible cases from Mexico including some police officers that were specifically targeted at.
Based on an idea their membership as at the police officer and our activities but it's not enough frankly for -- just to say that the country conditions are back and so that's.
That's also it's a little bit troubling here is conditions may be bad in Mexico but that's not a basis to grant asylum to a large group of people if conditions are bad.
The proper way to fix that perhaps would be to look at temporary protected status.
Or in fact it -- change the -- -- it's easier for people to come in legally.
I'm Julie what are the one of our -- why viewers one of our participants in this conversation.
Has just sent me an email to say.
Take some of the billions in foreign aid that we use and use it to secure our own borders with the United States.
And Mexico in the United States and Canada.
What would -- border security look like are we talking about a fans or her watch.
Yeah I think that effective border security you really have to have a range of measures you know.
There's not one tool that will solve it there's not one technology it will solve it and frankly -- also really got to focus on interior enforcement.
Many and individuals coming here from Mexico -- a job if they cannot get a job in the United States they'll return home.
And so what are we doing to enforce the -- in the interior the United States.
And -- in force against those who overstayed their these -- in -- population is estimated to be between thirty and 40%.
But I agree with your with your -- and it's you know I think more money is needed.
-- the physical border and also -- the interior if we're serious about having an effective immigration system.
Is this just a matter of resources that we're not putting enough money into securing our borders errors or something else at play.
I think resource says do come into play I do you think resources are necessary but I think it's actually more than that it's making sure that we're thinking in a strategic way.
If for example given the surge.
Immigrants at the border are all reportedly claiming the same hang out some cases -- legitimate some may not be.
But you know I think -- needs to send down an asylum past fraud task force to really look into these claims.
And where they find fraud aggressively prosecute the other saying that I think is is really a problem is making sure we have resources in the right places.
It do we have enough immigration judges are down at the border and who can push these cases through -- a reasonable period of time so someone can know whether they're granted asylum or not.
And there's not an incentive for them to disappear.
And it into the shadows of our country.
I'm sure you think disappear into the shadows of the countries or somebody gets through the border however they get through the border and they go to whatever American city it is.
And like -- set off when they're looking for jobs.
Is there any way that they then come up on the system that we see them once -- in the United States.
Well it depends on the individual circumstances in some instance.
On individuals may still be in detention on -- obviously in that instance I know where they are and other instances I can put them on one of a range of alternatives to detention.
Including ankle bracelets including telephonic reporting -- other things where they would have seconds.
-- you but if ice doesn't have effective tracking mechanisms either through detention or through some sort of alternative.
Then it can happen that they you know fall for the cracks -- move an ice isn't that where they are.
And then the next thing you know I find out as they show up at a hearing and there's no you know there's no immigrant they -- -- to plead his case.
MM final question is there you know we've got we've seen all these -- -- stories were on one hand you have.
An illegal immigrant who's here.
In the United States and he's committed felonies he's committed crimes but on the other hand you have somebody who's been in the United States illegally since he was three months old -- just won a scholarship to Harvard because he's such a hard working.
Smart kid is there -- way of distinguishing between.
They can't just -- scholarship to Harvard and a -- Off balance.
And absolutely and there are ways that we have to have a system to encourage people to come out of the shadows.
And if we have people come forward and self identify.
Then we can do a background check then we can look and see are you an individual who deserves to be here for one reason or another and can contribute to our country.
Or you someone who broke a lot of come here and then broke -- laws when she got here.
So -- you know right now there's not an incentive for a lot of folks except for some folks who are eligible under that the doctoral program.
The come out of the shadows and so it's hard for the government to know who should be here into -- And he -- -- and they are moving forward with enforcement as as aggressively as they -- Okay -- thank you for it and -- and all that complicated issue Julie Myers bush is a former assistant secretary of homeland security and now the president of guideposts solutions.
Madam secretary thank you for joining us thanks --
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