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We're now on Defcon three and -- -- -- I wanna give you an update if you're just tuning in on what's happening.
In Egypt in the last 24 hours the Egyptian government sent troops.
And tanks into the two.
Didn't protest cities sort of tent cities -- -- in the suburbs of -- to split the anti government.
Demonstrators there the pro Marcy pro Muslim Brotherhood demonstrators the government's gone and tear gas as you can share your screen right now.
They're clearing out these two areas.
The government has declared.
Our curfew for the next thirty days.
The department of health and minister of health and Egypt.
Has said that there are a 149.
Fatalities so far.
Other reports from the Muslim Brotherhood groups have said that there are many more -- -- -- and thousands of injuries and -- probably the most significant development -- last.
Two hours the vice president of the interim government in Egypt Mohammad ElBaradei a Nobel laureate former.
UN diplomat -- had the UN watch started that nuclear wash our agency of the United Nations.
The man who is -- a civilian face not just of the demonstration.
Two years ago but the civilian face of this new interim government that there has been in -- since early with its first week of July he has now resigned.
The United States deputy Press Secretary.
Has just issued a statement on behalf of the White House condemning the violence in Egypt.
And calling all sides to come to the negotiating table and find a way past the violence and -- have.
All -- participation of all parties in the government that we are joining -- a man who spent his entire career in the region American diplomat career foreign service officer.
And -- -- bastards about brain.
Adam -- -- now thank you so much for joining us on this important day I'd originally wanted you to come and talk about the Arab Spring.
And Saudi Arabia and -- brain about what I'd like you to do first if you could.
It's -- comment on what's going on -- Egypt is this something that we can expect this is something that's going to go on.
I was gonna go on for awhile I mean richer I think -- -- seeing in Egypt not just today but really over the last two years.
The social or political evolution of a country.
That has been under.
-- For a long time.
And you know for for most of -- modern history Egypt has been ruled by the by the military by military junta.
And you've had a very distorted political life at a very distorted economic like you're very distorted.
And all of that.
-- -- -- with Mubarak and the fallout is what we're seeing today -- -- we saw yesterday it will it will take a long time to play out as egyptians.
Find a way.
Find their own way to.
Develop a political dialogue and a political system that is representative it's not easy.
Do you think.
We're harnessing our demonstrations and revolutions counter revolutions coos and I am in years I have.
I wouldn't really want to predict crews are not -- but yet you're seeing a lot of demonstrations -- look Egypt is a very divided society.
For -- it's huge it's a 120 million people second of all.
You know you've got.
Islamists you've got secularist you've got the military you've got people who want stability and order you've got people who want religious you know ruled to be more religious.
You've got people divided economically -- -- -- invited on socialite to get people divided on religious lines.
Each one of those groups has a different political agenda wants to see the -- country -- a different direction.
As they work out those tensions in those differing agendas.
We're going to end and they're using social media and TV I mean I think what you're seeing today is very effective use of the media by both sides.
You're gonna see a lot of a lot more action over a whole lot more years.
The question is where's it all gonna -- People like me.
Think Egypt is a very important country and cares a lot about the Egyptian people want to see it lead.
To -- a place where.
Can debate their differences.
Discuss their differences through political solutions and political -- processes that are non violent.
But as we see today we're not there yet.
-- we are the areas that you've been an outstanding golf countries they just stepped up and written a big check for the interim government of Egypt.
28 were twelve billion dollars coming from Saudi Arabia United Arab Emirates and Kuwait what does that money going to go for -- -- Egypt's Egypt's economy is -- a mess.
Their foreign currency reserves -- -- dwindling.
Spends a huge amount of money subsidizing bread and fuel which there -- hardly going reduced now.
That they're trying to gain public favor so I think first and foremost it's gonna keep the government you know budget support.
Keep the government paying salaries because remember the public sector in Egypt is enormous I mean there.
By -- by a factor of several the largest employer in the country so.
Just keeping the country running is an expensive proposition which this gulf money is gonna go.
Help to do.
The question is why they why they doing this.
And the answer is because and this is is -- a broader look at the region.
The answer is because.
What -- seeing in the Middle East now.
Is a combination of political openness.
And geo strategic competition.
People are free to express their views people are free to elect people remove people whatever so you're seeing all that turmoil play out domestically but.
But regionally what you're seeing is a fight between.
To use two different.
Views of Islam.
Two different views of which direction you want to go -- On the one hand you've got Shia Islam represented by Iran and its proxies.
On the other hand you've got.
The Islam represented by those by by the Sunni tendencies.
And what the golf.
Countries are concerned about.
Kuwait Saudi Arabia I think is.
Political Islam islamists who believe that religion is the right way to -- you know is the way to rule people taking over from the monarchies.
The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt represents a threat to them why because -- -- They're not rulers.
They're not royalty.
They're not from the from the you know the privileged classes.
There a bottom up movement will bottom up movements are what remove -- Kate kings -- to cling on to power they better support those who oppose the bottom up movements.
-- giving money to the military.
Why has the Arab Spring not gone -- about wealthy Arab oral -- here payments from and I think it has.
I really do I mean.
Looked Bahrain is a perfect example.
You know Bahrain isn't wealthy by the way it's certainly not wealthy like Saudi Arabia Kuwait that are etc.
You know you saw him in march of 22011.
Similar situation what you -- in Egypt.
Political opposition in this case she.
Occupying a Central Square in the city.
And basically holding the country hostage until the government dealt with their concerns now the government about brain is doing like the government in Egypt.
Which is say look we're happy to have a dialogue about change but not at the point of a gun.
Not being held hostage.
And using that that that that that hostage taking situation to extract concessions.
That's unacceptable no government can agree to that because then they lose legitimacy they lose credibility.
You know huge part of the rest of the population who wants to see.
The system work.
So government about -- acted against the pearl roundabout which was the name of the square.
We saw in Bahrain what we're seeing in Egypt today.
Which is lots of casualties lots of cameras lots of righteous indignation.
By people who believe in the democratic -- process.
It's political reality you as a government have got to.
Upholds the rule of law and the rights of the other citizens who are not we're not protesting one just if I -- one other comparison I think is very useful here to bring it home to an American audiences.
If -- called the Occupy Movement but was that a couple years ago.
They had they occupied McPherson square I think -- Washington occupied swearing in New York.
And -- light of the cities that we're moving these people.
We don't care what they're you know agenda is you cannot.
Block commerce and the rights of other citizens to go about their business.
You know nobody screamed bloody murder when that happened.
They're doing it with -- Egypt and Bahrain.
Granted it in Bahrain are a different scale but similar principle.
OK well thank you very much for explain an -- on wrapping that entire region for -- thank you so much ambassador.
Adam -- a former US ambassador to Bob -- Thank you British take a break and then come back -- Georgia another part of -- the Arabian Peninsula Yemen.
Welcome back to -- country you know if you ask most people would look at a map of the world and say -- you think -- put Yamon.
Personal Republicans ballot and secondly -- they would have no idea where it applauded while a map where you're looking at right now assures you that it is in fact at the southern end of the Arabian Peninsula.
I'm curious asked Catherine -- she's a senior analyst at the American Enterprise Institute.
And she is an expert on Yemen and particularly.
The latest thing to happen in Yemen which is al-Qaeda.
-- so -- thank you so much for joining us.
And what's nice girl like you during covering al-Qaeda and what does al-Qaeda here in Yemen.
Well I just find it very interesting and what we need to remember is that Al -- been in Yemen for decades now and that.
The group has been operating their since the early 1990s -- -- but you know with with the 1992 bombing in Aden.
Told that al-Qaeda core al-Qaeda that attacked us on September 11 al-Qaeda the used to be in Afghanistan.
And then was in Pakistan that al-Qaeda core.
The Osama bin Laden.
Al-Qaeda is really finish is on the ropes it's over but the new.
Threat from al-Qaeda seems to come from affiliates and particularly.
The Yemen affiliate and that's called what is that called -- and Catherine.
It's al-Qaeda let's.
-- Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and it's it's a group that was actually announced in January 2009.
But it's not new -- -- in the -- peninsula the group in Yemen today.
It's a merger between the Yemeni in the Saudi branches of al-Qaeda.
-- and really can Trace its roots back farther.
But I -- disagree with the -- -- the al-Qaeda core group.
It is it's gone and give Qaeda that we once knew is it's different and that it's just the affiliates and we have to look at today.
I think that what we need to remember is that the organization that bin Laden set up.
What is set up in the Afghanistan Pakistan region but he then -- and the -- two different parts of the Muslim world.
To Yemen to Somalia.
And he had contacts and -- had Tunisia Algeria.
All these places that are now experiencing.
Islamist -- al-Qaeda has had an interest and and that's something to bear in mind as we watch the changes across the region following the Arab Spring.
This is has said that you know on their al-Qaeda may have spread all these -- -- you've articulated a member of them.
But it doesn't -- present a -- the United States.
That difference -- has his destroying more or less over particularly as we've used drone strikes and killed some of the leaders of the al-Qaeda in Yemen that made you think that we are still continues we come to yet another anniversary of September 11 is United States or risk.
Yes I think that what we need to look at is the groups that still exhibit their capability and the intent to attack the United States.
Something that's missed is that al-Qaeda in Yemen has a bomb maker Ebert you -- a theory he's a Saudi.
-- -- the man responsible for the Christmas Day attack in 2009.
He's the man responsible for designing the bombs that were shipped to the United States and October 2010.
He's also responsible for the may -- -- twelve attempts.
And again it's supposed to be.
Links to this one so when we look at that picture we may be killing off -- but we haven't really reduce the group's capabilities.
And not cents.
And you know just a look at.
The situation in Yemen al-Qaeda actually has a very conducive environment to work in there.
And and a lot of that is because of the problems that Yemen is facing after going through the Arab Spring.
When you talk about Yemen all right we saw last week that the United States -- embassies in 21 countries in the region we've now reopen those embassies except preeminent what is the continuing threat in Yemen -- American personnel.
The threat is -- and it and it's remained high for Americans in Yemen and not warning has been on the books.
-- for a long time now I think that it's certainly increased dramatically with with this new threat stream to Americans.
But it's not as though Yemen has been -- safe place.
Al-Qaeda in the -- peninsula has targeted foreigners since its inception.
And it's its predecessor al-Qaeda in Yemen has actually attacked -- before.
-- so al-Qaeda and there is it's from -- has made it hard for foreigners to to working -- -- a -- going for outdoor cats Erica had.
I going for -- I think that.
We do need to look at it and and its ability to exert influence abroad.
That's something that we've seen it's reached across two groups in -- it's it's worked with.
Some people in Egypt during the Arab Spring.
And most recently revealed as the letter between the leader in Yemen and the leader of the group and and the Islamic McGrath and based in Algeria.
I'm Catherine one of the things that in the last 48 hours -- -- reports and I've only been reports nothing confirmed.
That the bomb maker that you talked about that he was somehow injured and -- drone strike a few days ago you have anything further to tell us about this particular man.
-- scene that those reports are being denied by the Yemen embassy spokesman here in do you -- It wouldn't surprise me about -- he will be continue to be a target.
Of drone strikes he's extremely dangerous and his ability to innovate with explosive devices and has really mastered the technique.
Using an explosive material that has a lot of power and is very very hard to detect.
And what I saw this week as if he's apparently.
Figure it out because he's a chemist by training.
How to -- it should take explosive and put them in a liquid form they take clothing you -- it and like you're gonna diet except what you -- with his explosives and that it dries out gets put on the person and then you have.
A walking bomb that can evade any kind of metal detectors -- and it had a bomb detectors is that his latest idea.
That's what the reports are saying and again I don't think that we can be dismissive of them because he has been -- He actually designed a bomb for his own brother in 2009 -- was essentially depository.
Which is meant to assassinate a Saudi official written and when you look at batting look at innovation and the -- they -- willing to go to.
To conduct attacks if it's not a surprise that he's continuing to change his tactics.
-- there one quick question at the -- -- -- thing we can do about this current cap room.
Yes and I think that we aren't.
Pursuing some options we have a local partner in Yemen at the very willing partner issue right now is getting up to the capabilities to go after al-Qaeda there.
And we -- -- to be very.
Cognizant of the fact that simply killing leadership is not a way to defeat the organization and we seen that time and time again with both that the group and and Pakistan also in Iraq and I don't think that it will be -- way forward long term and -- Our thank you so much for that I'm Katherine Zimmerman she's a senior analyst at the American enterprise and -- And one of the country's leading experts on al-Qaeda and protect -- al-Qaeda in Yemen thanks so much for joining us.
But they were gonna have a break and then come and talk to our friend Cal Thomas is on vacation summer -- -- blunt I Ireland.
And the talk about president Obama's foreign policy.
Starting with a quote from -- boss President Reagan.
Welcome back to -- country -- now via Skype in NORTHERN IRELAND is cal Thomas Fox News contributor.
Syndicated columnist and Al legend in the American Media but now picked out a true peace on the Fox News web site.
It's an opinion piece and it's called what exit Oakley is -- foreign policy mr.
Obama and you started out.
-- a quote from Ronald Reagan from his Star -- speech of marks two bad nineteen.
83 -- say we maintain the peace through our strengths.
Weakness only invites aggression now I'm very familiar battle line because I actually brought it up but they can't -- -- pressure -- that.
He's about President Obama you don't think he's during any of this.
Well I don't think he has a world view frankly Casey and I want to identify myself with the remarks of your previous guests.
Gathered there -- -- is absolutely right you don't defeat al-Qaeda the islamists.
I simply knocking off their leaders it's like some old B movies side by where you you hit the -- -- -- blob but divides in the more blob.
You've got to go after it a deeper level.
I don't know what this president's foreign policy as I would like to know but I don't -- -- he treats foreign policy is if it were a distraction from his.
Increased efforts to socialize.
You've got some very serious things going on right now as I mentioned in the column the London times reported a few days ago that Robert Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe who.
Who not only confiscate.
The the land of white farmers in Zimbabwe imagine it.
That was the other way around as it was at one point in South Africa.
The media would be screaming about it.
He is says selling materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons to Iran.
-- the foreign policy with respect to Israel consists of the Obama administration.
Pressuring Israel to release twenties -- murderers.
Of Israelis and in exchange for the Palestinians sitting down at the peace table again we know how this is going to go because we've seen this.
Same play run over and over and over again for many decades over many administration.
The Palestinians will either do nothing or say nothing or give nothing or they'll make promises that they break.
With no reciprocity at all it's it's the complete outrage and I think these foreign policy of this administration is a total failure.
In your article you compared president Obama's foreign policy.
The president Jimmy Carter's foreign policy -- but failed rescue mission.
Of the American diplomats are held hostage in Iran.
But what does somebody comes back tears as well President Obama killed them -- -- but that's not Jimmy Carter that's a decisive move and it was successful.
What is it.
Or the other is a World War II where you knock off Hitler and you basically cut off the -- -- the -- -- Defeating it that is army and you restructure Germany and everything's been fine since that.
This is the virus Islamic summit is a virus that is penetrating.
Every area of society you've got the Muslim Brotherhood which has.
About forty different chapters under different names the Muslim student association.
And many other things in this country I have met some of the students the variation universities around the country they all seem very peaceful way all tell -- they want peace.
But anybody understands or read the Koran they know that they are required and feeding courage the lie to infidels like the rest of us.
They don't accept their view of the world have their ideas of their religion century laws should be imposed by force.
If necessary and women placed in Berkus and back to the bedroom with.
-- it over windows.
So this is the kind of thing that say that the Obama administration doesn't want to understand or doesn't understand either way it is extremely dangerous.
So anybody who grew up with a bully in their neighborhood as I did want.
Knows that the way -- best way to deter a bully is a good punch in the nose.
They leave you alone and go for weaker people when Reagan put that missile down the chimney Moammar Qaddafi we didn't hear anything from him for over twenty years.
That's the only thing the islamists from the Middle East -- dictators understand strength.
And as Reagan.
Properly noted you keep the peace when your straw.
He's inherently talk about in the US Russian relations that web -- of -- came and he talked about our reset of relations with Russia and then President Putin now again President Clinton -- -- have gone so well.
Does and I mean here is there isn't put it out recruit Hillary Clinton and secretary of state -- -- and her counterpart -- from Russia big -- and Hillary came up with this a red button on the oracle -- Punching it but the word got translated are wrong instead of button it was translated.
I think it was overblown or something like that and I said in my column that -- -- to need to be a little prophetic considering what has happened -- got to witness and an idiot he's a former KGB and he's long and and -- -- -- -- -- -- Four is meddling in the Middle East -- is meddling even in his own country but some of the things that are going on the killing of journalist.
The Russian mafia all these things.
One of our policies so that does Obama not showing up in Russia I mean that's that's that's no that's -- strong response to a leader like gluten.
I think I'm at a loss I would like to know -- -- serious this is serious question.
What in the world is the president's policy is as passive is an aggressive is -- neutral what -- that.
I don't know anybody including people on the left who can tell me other than just you know drone strikes on al-Qaeda leaders which.
It -- just produce others to take their place.
When you talk about Russia get us -- experts have sort of thrown up their hands and several other united says has no leverage with Russia right now there's nothing.
We can do other than maybe cancel that summit -- do you have any suggestions for the president.
You know I think it's all part of the same package they see it's not just Russia is not just they -- and it's not just the Palestinians.
If it's nobody mentioned China I mean you know China has over there building and building -- building with a lot of our money.
And their military is getting larger they clearly after many years of not being an expansionist.
Nation are beefing up their navy.
There -- going to be a serious challenges rather than a number of dollars have written about this.
What is our policy toward China I haven't a clue.
Still what do we do about it we couldn't we couldn't be strong we -- let our yes be yes -- no we know we -- we cannot pretend that we have real enemies.
And treat them as enemies rather than just people who maybe grew up from the wrong side of the foreign policy -- And -- we just invite them over here let them see how nice we are they won't want -- -- approach I think that the most dangerous approach.
The foreign policy that there could possibly beat because America's real enemies look at that and think all -- these guys are.
Are due this week and we can pick their pocket eat their lunch and those that have a -- for.
Well thank you very -- and -- not -- cal Thomas and his article running on the front page of a Fox News opinion page boxer's web site is called what exactly is your foreign policy mr.
Thanks so much cow I -- -- vacation now -- there is a fact finding trip you can't write up a vacation.
Oh well I'm actually get on the hotline to the -- the dark you enter a criticism won't even as we speak -- -- Thank you very much about thanks so much well that's it for on the hot that's it for Defcon three event fit for me and so you can turn off your computer right now what you wanna watch the replay of this fantastic -- -- -- Dot com live and make sure that tomorrow at 11 AM UT and great -- -- -- -- URL.
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