Power Play 8/15/2013
The latest on the bloodshed in Egypt, Clinton campaigns for Pryor in Arkansas and Obama's economy continues downward trend
Aug 15, 2013
Michael Barone, Liz Chadderdon
The latest on the bloodshed in Egypt, Clinton campaigns for Pryor in Arkansas and Obama's economy continues downward trend
Aug 15, 2013
Michael Barone, Liz Chadderdon
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And that is a grisly scene -- -- today as government military forces clash with the Islamist protesters in the streets of Cairo.
Death told climbing into the hundreds and this is power class.
And I'm -- -- -- welcome President Obama recently made remarks.
-- away the actions of the Egyptian went military led government there.
But instead that they would be canceling.
Scheduled joint exercises with the Egyptian military but showed no signs.
Backing away from military there we will talk about that today let's go to Leland better.
Who should be joining us from the Jerusalem bureau -- -- -- out there.
-- -- OK so what is the latest.
We have the political situation playing out obviously in Washington -- -- Martha's Vineyard where you have the US very publicly shaming the Egyptian government.
President -- -- was canceling bright star that was certainly something the education military counted on in it ties -- Haitian military United States have.
Going back a very long time since the Camp David peace accords you think about that though it's one thing to cancel a military operation is another thing to talk about the one point three billion dollars in aid -- the United States -- you hit.
That hasn't happened on the ground now in Cairo.
You might sort of think about it is the day after.
And this could either be the calm after the storm or the calm before the coming storm that's a -- on how you look at it on the streets of Cairo an overwhelming military presence there was a Muslim Brotherhood group that stormed at least one government building -- to set fire to an instant.
Skirmishes in protests around but not the kind of street battles we saw yesterday.
-- -- more than 500 people dead and keep in mind.
-- it was gunman on both sides that killed these people many.
Videos show gunshot wounds but also show gunman from the Muslim brother and an AK 47 matched up against the army with AK 47 vote.
Firing seemingly pretty indiscriminately.
At protesters and also at each other as things went on.
I -- this is the culmination of six weeks' worth of protests by the Muslim Brotherhood saying they wanted Mohamed Morsi.
Their leader and a democratically elected.
President -- Egypt put back.
Can get power and the army so far that took over who has said fat chance to that finally told them to get out of the squares and stock disrupting traffic and commerce in Cairo they wouldn't and then we had this very large clashed.
The question going forward -- just how does it play out with the Muslim Brotherhood -- -- -- they are chanting with our -- -- -- We defend Islam they are not -- -- our -- our soul we defend.
You just -- we defend.
So this is being set up almost is a religious battle line kind of thing between the army that will run -- -- relatively secular government the Muslim Brotherhood which obviously.
Is not a secular organization the army is brought back.
Page in the 1980s and 1990s.
Where they would go after the Muslim Brotherhood and her rest and then how leaders and members incommunicado.
Four months with these emergency laws in the army once again says they have the right to do that again we've -- a number of members of the Muslim Brotherhood arrested whether they.
Continue that process over the next couple of days and try to round up even to be -- sea level leadership is yet to be seen it certainly Chris -- the Muslim Brotherhood leadership.
Can inspire his people to be willing to die rather than -- the -- we're gonna have a very bloody next couple of days and weeks no matter what the United States says about it obviously.
The Egyptian army not to have -- crack down before the Egyptian army ignored it and now we're at where -- Real quickly -- what's what's the attitude what's the vibe among our allies there and Israel are today.
Guys I assume watching.
With some anxiety and what's what's the state of mind there.
And he did say to folks in Israel are watching with bated breath the only thing that keeps the Egyptian Israeli peace accord together.
He's the Egyptian army in the Egyptian army intelligence services have long.
From the United States is aid they've received billions of dollars every year and that.
That is being contingent on a close working relationship with Israel -- often said that the Israelis.
And Egyptian hot line it goes between them aside any Egyptian intelligence service never goes silent as they share intelligence and information during the Muslim Brotherhood period.
That went away during the past month or so that the army's been intact.
The Egyptian Israeli.
Alliance has grown much stronger in terms of sharing intelligence those kinds of things so the Israelis are probably one of the few people.
On the sides of the Egyptian army right now you might remember back in 2011.
There were two ambassadors that went to go see.
The White House during the Mubarak revolution back in 2011 that was the Egyptian ambassador in the Saudi ambassador anywhere pleading with that.
Obama administration -- not pull support for Mubarak because they've viewed a strong Egyptian army is strong secular Egyptian leader as key to stability here in the Middle East.
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The politics of this are obviously -- And difficult in the Middle East but there -- no picnic here in -- United States either Michael Barone.
Is among other sundry things he is -- senior political analyst for the Washington examiner.
I think that now we're supposed to -- only Washington -- I think you've lost your definite article as part of the re launch -- -- -- -- definite article I guess it comes -- easier if you -- it -- Russian accent yeah Russian I have Russian language does not have a definite -- that does not Russian language not have -- are right so it -- in -- game that's really gets it's so it's -- wonder but Michael is of course also a resident fellow.
American under president in enterprises if and he is one of the authors of the home.
And how often American dot com his publishing is slightly adapted version of my production in 2014.
Or that politics Trudy -- -- you smarter now than even you were moments before imagine how you imagine how well you'll be by the time -- -- with you today.
Yes American dot com is the website here or or are -- in American dot com that's the human.
And I should have had that I should have had that website that's like me OK so.
The question Michael is this the Washington Post today.
Took the hide off President Obama and essentially said he had blood on his hands.
For the death of the Islamist protesters in Egypt because of its.
Well we've we've made it -- its.
The best language so far this we made its decision tomorrow department announced Tuesday that we determined that we -- not make a determination about the status of the transitional military backed government in Egypt.
The left is getting -- agitated about this because whenever there -- protesters dying in the streets somewhere by an American backed government they're not happy.
Right well -- I think Americans generally are not happy yeah that's I don't know I think Wright issue of the post editorial was when.
-- little farther than I would have gone in terms of blaming the United States I mean we are not.
Totally responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world to him including those -- we.
Captain as a result of actions by American backed governments.
I mean obviously.
When Barack Obama came to office and made that speech in Cairo and I believe it's June 19 2009.
You know his expectation was that with his election.
American with the departure of the cowboy George W.
Bush America was going to be popular in the Muslim world well.
That hasn't come to pass in retrospect that was pretty naive expectation.
-- and you know I think he's he's going downhill with public opinion on foreign affairs generally mean Gallup has some numbers out today.
Showing his overall job rating at 44%.
Which is getting a little weak but not disastrous territory and foreign affairs it's about 40%.
That's lower and that started to get to problematic territory for president.
-- in in his first term he generally got higher rating on foreign affairs higher job approval.
Higher percentages of -- approved for foreign affairs.
The overall now he seems to be had it done down in you know the disorder in the Middle East I'm sure.
Is one of the reasons so there's a shredding there's cat.
Thing that happens with -- -- -- his command which is usually are not.
Are not famed for having -- hands this month the Muslim Brotherhood led the islamists.
In Egypt are doing reportedly some pretty rough stuff.
Torching Coptic Christian churches.
And and that there as -- pointed out shooting back this is not.
These are not Gandhi like peaceful street protesters this is.
Not a civil war but this is this is -- factional this is approaching something like -- factional clash.
Diplomatic posture for the Middle East Michael has been.
That the the United States would back transitional -- -- That there would be a transitional theocracy.
In these states where that there previously been American -- strongman that would lead to.
The I guess the -- summer this year that they were the Arab Spring but that the Arab summer would be.
-- full of solar flowering of small.
That's not been happening here.
The president didn't do much today he made some noise he canceled and he shot an 82 he shot and -- right this -- your dad.
But the the president didn't do much -- It -- -- the Egyptian military catalog has a lot of time right now to hold joint training exercises with the US he didn't do a lot today is there a lot.
He could do at this moment well I think -- says there there probably isn't a lot.
Can do at this moment I mean the -- he's obviously -- decision that we're not gonna withdraw military aid and our military has close relations with their military general CC.
In Egypt reportedly has been on the phone -- with secretary defense -- cable.
I think President Obama again expect to something.
That is turned out not to be true this model for the Islamist democracy and was president -- won the ATP party and yeah.
Yeah this has been reported that president -- one is one of the foreign leaders with whom he has the greatest -- which.
Little strange -- -- one has been cracking down on the -- various ways and seventh and having political prosecutions it appears that the it took you can't -- but it -- I guess he thought that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt would go the direction of that president -- has got to Turkey.
Now they have a tradition -- of electoral democracy in Turkey that goes back to the mostly twenties Hosni Mubarak ain't no Mustafa Kemal.
You know he was the speed communal Kemal Ataturk -- unusual leader.
The Turkish seems to Turkey seem to be going backwards and human rights -- and Egypt.
Which is never been particularly far forward on Egypt on human rights is going back and you know you have the potential for continued -- -- in that country.
We were identified the United States was identified with by the conduct of of our foreign policy and specifically ambassador in Paterson career foreign service officer was also ambassador to Pakistan as being very supportive.
Of the Muslim Brotherhood so that the fact is now the Muslim Brotherhood is types are unhappy because we seemed to be backing -- not opposing the military.
The military types of the people that support and -- secularist sue.
-- numerous in the streets of Cairo but nothing like a majority.
In Egypt are unhappy with this we seem to have done that hat trick of making every faction in that country dislike us.
Right and his as the saudis in the UA pump billions of dollars and what -- thinks about us man with the if you think about -- -- -- -- but anyway.
What we think about you matters more and more sure we'd like you to stay around would you like to stand around I can stay around -- can't notice he said he didn't say I would like he said I can't I can't I'm always the in my -- -- As being parts and big cars are we're gonna take a quick break when we come back.
Will the big dog and have a big effect on the fourteenth fourteen campaign -- -- what does that mean for.
Madam secretary Hillary Clinton.
-- explorer Arkansas senate politics.
And the house of Clinton and the 2014 mid terms and we come back.
-- stick around.
And that's was William.
Hope but raised in Hot Springs, Arkansas campaigning.
For one Blanche Lincoln.
Senate candidate in Arkansas incumbent senate candidate in Arkansas in 2010 and this is power play and guess what happened to Blanche Lincoln.
She -- as senator no -- she is no longer a United States senator John Boozman in the Republican.
Beat the socks off of her.
As part republic and sweet.
That year as Arkansas got redder and redder.
Man role that I see this sounds like Michael that I that you did not it is how it is still -- -- yes and Michael -- is still here thank god.
So it's this Michael.
We read in your publication.
The Washington -- him.
Washington examiner -- node -- definite articles please we read in Washington examiner.
That it's like that that man or bad man we read in Washington examiner that.
In this pretty clearly seemed issue from mark Pryor's.
Precincts I think -- promise has been made a promise heads has previously been made by one Bubba big dog Clinton.
That he would come and help Mark -- Mark Prior currently facing immolation at the hands.
When a challenger comes out in a tie in the first hole with a challengers and I -- -- multi term incumbent whose dad was the governor.
That's not a place where he wants to start first question will Bill Clinton make good on the pledge to publicly campaign and privately fund raise for embattled Mark -- and -- so well I will start by.
Mentioning it to my Washington examiner colleague who -- against the second paragraph for story is.
The plants are still flew and it came and they have this isn't down notice that the former president or the former First Lady and secretary of state necessarily.
You know the clintons have remained popular and arkansas' interest and they.
Didn't return to the state after his presidency but then when Hillary Clinton in progress in 2008.
She got her best percentages in the army and -- -- democratic primary in Arkansas West Virginia it was an impressive showing I think there's still residual affection for them.
I think part of -- the problem though is that when they start looking at the polling data as you mentioned Mark Pryor has been running even -- you know 44421.
Way or the other -- with Tom cotton freshman congressman who.
-- is not as well known.
And that's just like say -- -- father David Pryor was on the ballot for House of Representatives and -- in 1966687072.
And 76 when was governor when Bill Clinton was attorney general.
Good for US senate in 19781984.
That's awfully impressive record that the house and the house of Clinton and Pryor had from those days have learned to live in harmony in Arkansas -- -- this is they've been here.
Active prior retired from a yes and it 1996 was spent in the Bill Clinton instituted 2000.
You know they were on the -- the same time 747678.
And now anyway but I really think it had a tough races in ninety we also we have to -- -- -- Martin's other because here's the thing.
Let's say that because -- Because the play gadgets of Arkansas.
Are going to show up and and help and help Mark Pryor run and do all of that stuff.
If I'm Mary Landrieu in Louisiana.
Or I'm another embattled Democrat somewhere in America I'm gonna say hey by the remember us come and help.
In 2010 as we saw there the president was -- the former president was -- -- campaign.
Part of -- Barack Obama look bad because he was highlighting the routing that that border state Democrats were taking it showed it did build goodwill.
Do the clintons really want to be attached to the 2014 mid term.
I think probably a little less than the kid in 2014 and there's another factor in Arkansas working generational.
Those -- and -- show.
John Mark Pryor's father David Pryor when elections have something in common they're a long time ago.
If -- trying for years that generation yes from 2013.
-- if you look at examples Americans so you will see that over those periods the -- that the it generational through the -- -- more strongly supportive of Democrats was the so called greatest generation -- little flare up with Franklin Roosevelt New Zealand's new dealer and commander in chief and so forth.
Those people are.
If you were on the ground now than they worry under the ground in basically Arkansas has trended hugely to the Republicans as the clintons have withdrawn from electoral politics game that ends there -- They have some residual effects shot.
I'm not sure how much they wanted and I'm Hillary Clinton I'd much I'd much rather spend the mid term elections.
-- -- -- -- That I would with every story every time my husband appears.
In Kentucky or Arkansas or anyplace else.
What about Obama care.
Does Hillary have the clout how's this going I mean could she do you think she can get built to go on a permanent salmon fishing vacation with rumble polar something for the for the year a point where is that what they do fish for salmon salmon fishing Michael little.
I don't know why you win I raise an eyebrow.
Interest -- I think the I think it's kind of a judgment call I -- one way that Hillary Clinton you know assuming she wants to run for president 2000.
Sixteen could -- for her self esteem and yes making a case -- office say look I can actually brought the Democratic Party.
Based in places like North Carolina which was only.
Enough with the 48 whereas Obama's stick pro big dog.
Big in 2014 or smaller big dog and 2014 I think we'll see a smaller big dogs dollar big vegetarian diet just doesn't -- oh glances -- burgers my goodness.
Okay Michael's going to stay with -- because we have more work to do it's fun.
We're going to Parse the latest polls on the economy president when he's done with his vacation is going to take a bus tour to talk about the economy again.
That you weren't listening last time will it help if he's in a big black -- we'll talk about that when we come back to stick around.
And that is what they called the death star.
But it is what the Secret Service make to campaign and for -- campaign thus if you are the president of the United States and this is Paraguay.
And I think -- -- get ready to hit the road again President Obama.
After he finishes his summer vacation is going to go on another campaign's way.
Talk about his economic proposals ahead -- all hell breaking lose here in Washington over fiscal policy etc.
So can he get the message out.
I know you know -- -- human.
Being notified by -- show but now prepared to be ratified by this Saturday she is the president of the aptly named shattered in group.
She is a democratic strategist and she is welcome return any -- to power button.
OK so let -- show you here's what I there's -- -- Gallup poll.
As president doing in his assessment.
Eisenhower voters -- president of the economy.
Seven points lower in the Gallup poll from June to August.
Quickly let's go to the Fox News poll he's down to a 42%.
On his job approval rating.
That -- one went off with his lowest.
This follows lives the president being and he did all these campaigns jobs he went to the saw the packing peanuts with Jeff -- knows he went around the country he did this he came back and people said -- Does he need to do something differently in this or do you just keep going like you just keep going and hope the message gets through.
Doesn't really interest in question.
These hilarious effect the -- she just keep going because the truth is is that there's not much she can't do you certainly can't stop he could at least keep you certainly can't say -- my approval ratings -- -- on the economy so I was gonna hold myself up in the White House -- talk about it anymore of course not you gotta keep -- -- -- get back -- that that's you know -- he has heard talking to people you have to take -- the -- cycle.
Which is what he really needs to do because the truth is.
Hasn't been a great spring for the president is -- all kinds of different issues including an economy that is still.
Only slowly growing we're Americans -- like things -- and will quicker than this and it's taken a long time.
So my -- how can it be that the economy gets better the president's assessment of the engine builders' assessment present on the economy gets worse well we've seen it's -- it's a sluggish economic growth this Louis assembly and we came out of the recession or the next number of economic researchers in June 2009 that's four years ago.
Have we seen any -- 7% growth years -- quarters like we did after.
The recession around the -- -- first term.
The answer is well we're getting.
We're getting at least anecdotal evidence of many people do being restricted in their work hours because of Obama -- this is hitting a lot of people and marginal economic situations pretty hard.
Generally speaking work you know it's been going or.
We've seen less workforce participation in the spike upward in disability.
Claims of people going on -- Social Security disability insurance program.
I think a lot of people are gonna kind of despair in many people -- Are from you know such people.
You know it's not.
The Gallup poll shows the president's job rating on the on the economy is down to 35%.
That's -- dangerous territory for an incumbent president 44% overall job rating it's kinda weak but you know you can still go ahead.
I think that what the public may be looking for but the president is unwilling to or unable to produce is a change in policy center right of the fiscal -- with the congress tried that in 2011.
He was not successful.
I think that you don't -- as well we can go out campaigning again I think maybe.
He might stay in Washington -- governor.
So Liz -- for Ron Fournier described it as white bronco and it mental journal that is what he said white -- -- That when you decide.
That there the republic that you're not gonna get a deal with Republicans that Michael just described here.
And this seems to be the consensus some among the Obama Democrats like it ain't gonna happen the Republicans don't want to deal with us.
This system is unworthy of this process thanks we're not gonna go to -- ourselves and -- on another deal.
So -- is so it's like we if we can't get the deal did surrender on doing the stupid deal and go out and campaign.
But isn't there something be said for the optics -- profit for.
Looking in the great paintings of Napoleon where have you -- in the back and the the candles have burned down to them to demonstrate that Napoleon was working tirelessly for the people of France.
Shouldn't the president be doing some optics about this.
Yes but I think he is doing some optics about -- and the truth of the matter is is that I believe that he's reached out to congress time and time and time and time.
Nobody and Boehner said -- no no no no no I don't know but -- -- I don't think it again.
Yes it does and I do think he's gonna go out and continue to fake it if you will.
I think what he's going to try to do is go out and again try to capture the new cycle.
Go out and make music -- Boehner can be your ticket aren't about to take -- jobs fleeing to America the way that the president can't however what I really think is gonna happen is when they do come back in September that is very brief three weeks before they Venus again.
I actually think you're gonna start to see some huge deadlines yet in weight Boehner and the president are gonna have to sit down and I think the president will be welcome to -- the question is whether Boehner will be -- -- that.
But let me say this the president doesn't face another election.
John Boehner -- And I really think is the Republicans begin to approach the midterm elections in 2014 they're going to have to come to the table.
Because they have to go back and get re elected the president has been reelected again his message worked their message still stands to be elected.
-- -- looks a little -- seconds might -- you know validate our president we carry 209 congressional district -- -- -- carried 226.
Don't seem to be weaker shape -- they were in 2012.
So they can win an election even though the president won his election in 2012.
-- is publication may have lost its definite article that you always speak to us and beat Michael -- of course of course of course and they this Saturday -- -- you -- if you were able to get as many words into this segment if you had been here and guess I'm not.
But Liz welcome back we're glad you're here -- Okay Internet.
Jonathan is up next you know that you like that you're happy about it I don't -- -- -- change in the column today.
The change so far is that it's not posted sorry but it will be there soon may be for you but there are big changes afoot -- will keep you abreast of white what you see I promise.
And now you like to see this.
A word from your French girls.
This is the way he operates he says the other guys are bad guys they really don't have the national interest at heart I do so I will do stuff and ignore the law.
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