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If you look at the reports even the disclosures of mr.
-- was put forward.
All the stories that have been written.
What you're not reading about is the government actually abusing.
And -- listening in on people's phone calls -- inappropriately reading people's emails what.
Your -- about is.
That these could be abused.
And that was President Obama in -- pre vacation press conference last week a week ago today.
And this is power play our Internet happy Friday as you can see eight by my exposed neck.
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As troublesome as -- -- -- we are indeed discussing matters of some gravity.
Today on power play where normally we like to stay in the world.
The perennial silly season of politics that is Washington but intruding.
On that a bit today.
Is the fact that the Washington Post with news partner -- -- Has revealed the existence of thousands now -- argument countries here in ten million people etc.
but thousands of violations of breaches.
When it came to -- collecting data that some inadvertent.
Some perhaps strongly committed to.
Snooping on American citizens the president said before Jay Leno that we don't have a domestic spying program.
The evidence might suggest strongly otherwise.
We will talk about that at all ever had a that -- Internet I totally forgot to tell you.
It's an hour an hour of power -- today our of our.
Because Jonathan Hunt it's hunting someplace.
Out of our game preserve.
He he's not here so I'm with you for an -- -- like or dislike that I don't know but that's what you've got the we have a good show today we'll talk about.
Leave a Republican reset up in Boston wolf talked about what's going -- EPA.
As they try to advance.
Their agenda on global warming they're having some difficulties.
What about president Obama's reset.
Himself as a second term it's been a rough problem do all of that.
We will do it with keen insight we will do it -- fairness.
We will do it with broad Vista -- we -- do that because we will begin the right way we will begin with Judith Miller.
She formerly of the Washington bureau of the New York Times now all -- Fox News contributor.
Hi -- good morning.
Good morning and -- okay so.
I'd posit this.
The president has not liked to defend the domestic spy stuff because it's not it's -- to his brain and his base does not like this stuff -- he.
Deported when it was being administered by the bush team bush.
And the president doesn't seem to want to much defended her much talked about it or engage on the point we saw this in Afghanistan.
And president had to -- in Afghanistan but didn't seem to want to -- defend those.
And public support -- about what what there was banished.
In this case would we expect to see the same thing that -- already skeptical public will grow more skeptical as revelations like this come out.
Well I think that's definitely a challenge for the administration it's a challenge for the president.
Who is you point out Chris has put his personal in -- -- sure.
In back of the need for this program.
And I think what.
Really is kind of weighs in his favor is the fact that this program has.
Support on Capitol Hill from both Republicans and Democrats you know Diane find -- Mike Rogers when the two of them say this program is absolutely indispensable.
To the national security the nation.
It's a very very.
It encouraging and welcome.
Badge of endorsement for Obama so I think he's kind of led off the hook until you get.
You know revelations like today about whether or not this program is being adequately -- -- and monitored.
Yeah and that what what's in the Washington Post today is some pretty revealing stuff.
Some again as I said slip ups where the wrong area code was put in an accidentally all of the calls from 202.
The Washington area code -- got scooped up for a time being.
And and -- mistakes others seem to be -- this then we hear from the judge who runs the price accords.
That -- that he suspects that the national security apparatus sometimes is he dating -- Their full disclosure when it comes to.
Complying with the -- the laws.
Right I mean I think that's where the president has some vulnerability.
It's when you get that kind of whoops moment on an average of three times a day.
Since this program has been enacted it in 2008.
He really have a problem you know the the example you pointed out first -- I think is very interesting.
By the NSA this isn't innocent typographical error but it was confused with.
Calls that emanate from.
20 which of course is Egypt so you would want to be used to say it could be looking at couples for me get to.
You wouldn't want them to be you're looking at every call from 202 which is Washington DCC.
Do you get those moments but I think -- right the real problem with this.
With this program is the judge's ruling in 2011.
-- it was seemed to be unconstitutional.
The the critics of the NSA program have filed a Freedom of Information Act for that opinion.
And the administration.
Is fighting it understandably.
Because they maintain that this program is perfectly OK and perfectly wonderful.
But I -- Bart Gelman is -- very interesting in the Washington Post a -- because.
Does he say he put it out that.
We really knowing this is my problem with the program and that it is it is just much too secret it's more secret than it has to be they pull it out that only.
10% of the lawmakers who are supposedly responsible for overseeing this program.
Have a staffer who has adequate security clearances to look at the material they're supposed to be overseeing it.
So how can you possibly say that this program is being adequately monitored by congress.
If 90% of the people who are supposed to be overseeing it don't even employ someone around the -- has the capacity to do that.
It's revelations like that that I think are very traveling for the program.
And for Americans -- a -- -- had a Smart piece today in the journal.
You know outside of keeping us from getting killed.
There is the broader cultural sociological and -- -- implications.
Something like this is that Americans are getting creeped out.
Because not only did the did what is obscene and obtained and and tracked by the federal government.
Is -- include everything from your medical records your do your phone call logs everything.
That it did this surveillance state has a lot of unhappy consequences.
As a culture and as a society.
And then we need to be really talking and that is something that that is worse.
Having a serious discussion about.
Not ignoring because it's politically inconvenient.
Right and we're having that discussion tonight I hate to say this but we -- having it because of Edwards noted.
Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
And and I even though I think I and perhaps EU and other people.
I'm comfortable with the fact that he immediately took his four computers.
And his -- data about the -- the -- And went to two countries that are not particularly friendly to the the united say it's.
It still raises the question.
Of whether or not there is adequate oversight of someone -- -- it.
Can download that kind of material and walk off with it -- decide unilaterally.
That that this program has problems that are disturbing enough to him to get me to do this.
I think the program needs greater monitoring greater scrutiny and that's what we're getting now.
This by the way is the role of the press.
I think the Washington Post and through dribbling out these stories and the guardian with Glenn Greenwald are doing an excellent job -- keeping this issue.
On the forefront in on the political forefront about the problem they have -- I pointed out is it has a lot of Republican and democratic support.
Wait I thought that the I think that the president of the strength of the pieces come -- -- for access.
What I need to get -- -- that I need.
That's only in the Obama administration -- the -- and it's just going to check -- on this is up my whole my whole mile precept is wrong.
I love second term is really been different I think there's been much more skepticism than we saw on the first.
-- chairman I think we're gonna see a lot more skepticism.
As information like this tumbles out.
Lame ducks make better targets except us up our -- Fifth pillar is Smart and just -- you smarter Internet we thank you for making congress have a great.
Thank you Chris have a great day and I like you without the tie.
And -- -- You have to ask you okay Internet.
I like huge high note I would every Iraq and it's cool just don't send any pictures.
But I want to tell you something.
So I promise that there would be changes that there would be news is old news as it related to my column and who is -- -- you pointed out.
It was in its monster who pointed out was the idea for the new power play to emulate project -- -- Boot yes what he's referring to -- of course on the campaigns.
Voter turnout model software that.
That (%expletive) mood itself on Election Day and yes there has been -- column for the past couple of days but.
Now I can say I think I think I can say we've been working out some technical details but I think I can say without progression -- come Monday.
That's something hot there will be hotter biscuit in your basket -- Follow me on twitch her act see several follow me on Twitter at -- Cerro follow me -- he's Errol those of you who do not are depriving yourself.
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Because we get to choose an election artists are.
Anyway we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back we'll talk about the EPA Obama's new look EPA.
And he's got it administrator designate who says -- gonna work around congress because they're a bunch of unicorn.
Loving deny yours.
What's gonna happen with that will suss that out when we come back -- The said that he -- -- going to wait for congress.
But that he had administrative authorities and it was it was time to start utilizing knows more effectively in a more concerted way.
And that is how people from Boston Massachusetts talk.
That was Gina McCarthy she's the president's designee need.
To be the director of the Environmental Protection Agency eight.
And she was saying that the presence I'm gonna wait for congress because -- about your climate denying Republicans.
So he's gonna do what he can't through the EPA to crack down on carbon emissions.
And away we -- she was talking at the University of Colorado in boulder.
This is powered by welcome back as -- Rollins and roll through our special one hour -- helping us to do that are your friend and -- Richard -- he is the host of the aptly named Richard -- show on we -- radio.
Available nationwide here in the nation's capital at 1480 AM.
And you are getting to know and I hope like I think you should give them a chance.
Brian Walsh he is a former communications director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
Commitment you confess that's true that is true that's true -- Mets -- they don't just hand out -- like that.
And now now -- now where do you work where people hire you to win races -- -- strategies so he's hanging out with -- -- just.
Bear that in mind OK just -- very partisan public affairs it's right bear in mind OK so everybody like bipartisanship if that pace.
OK so the question is this and for real.
The EPA the president has.
Residents not kidding when he says he's going to act on climate in his second term he isn't this is not an empty threat.
He really can't wait and it's obviously something that's important to him.
Gina McCarthy laid it out yesterday in the strongest there yet she confirmed yet.
She -- -- she's not been confirmed by the United States and it's I don't know I would have said what she did trying to get confirm this is the point where you suck up to the Republicans say.
Whatever but she later that she made it very clear about what president's done.
This is going to hurt.
In border states swing states and our -- to run for senate or congress.
Or Arkansas or -- bunch of places where there's coal fired electricity.
I'm not -- in this in my right Richard.
That's necessarily true I think the president is saying is -- I think the hope is is that when the president puts this plan forward.
Is that -- find a way you know I think he's moving he's removing the plan moving the ball forcing if you can't get some compromise to pick up some conference sort of come back to the -- creating a true bipartisan.
Climate change type of situation I think there's a lot of it was a lot of -- not a Republicans have a that could you know sort of weigh in here with that being said.
Having a lot of them are very scared about their primary challenges for example Lindsey Graham would be somebody having president could pick up.
Who is now afraid that -- -- bride is not running against him -- know.
-- writes that probably the stalking horse and a better down there seriously no one he's got to be worried about it this gal who's the first female graduate at the citadel mace is her last name she's a comer.
And Lindsey Graham got a problem is -- South Carolina there's -- that she was stipulated that.
The president's idea.
That Republicans -- secretly want to to crack down on coal but the primary electorate won't let them so there being this patriotic and killing the earth.
That doesn't seem to comport with what we see from Democrats from these states who do the same thing don't they Richard I mean Joseph Manchin is not -- you think he he's not -- -- each of the Republican primary electorate right well remembered is that.
President and the Democrats try to do this and yes and -- trying to pass cap and trade through on the heels obamacare and that they ended up losing.
Over sixty seats in the house about seven senate seats so this is a huge political problem for them and he understands that he can't get through is through congress who's gonna -- an end around.
And -- -- also wondering Grimes are running in Kentucky huge problem for her fluently.
The Mitch McConnell may be so absolutely.
Tore up by the time he gets to her if she she and Sam Nunn's daughter down in Georgia are basically running the same campaign pitches.
We are acceptable alternatives let's watch and see if the Republicans will unhinged their -- and each other's heads.
And then will be there to it to -- then I think that's exactly Chris and I think when the president does this if he decides the movie executive order and to get this done what he -- he also gives Democrats that are running in these coal states of coal -- states you know he gives them a chance -- -- outlet right because you know after the one important election in from the lame duck president.
-- almost brought against the White House and still not do that best.
-- not -- lives here he's got like one way he's got at least I.
All I want called lame duck into I think it's it's too early to call Linda if it's -- 42% job approval starts to feel like one way and it's one thing I think and but I -- -- -- -- -- -- because Republicans don't have a great approval -- either.
Well I think it did they continue to go to Ted Cruz strategy of sort of shutting down the government they're gonna get a horrible horrible that it would that peaks and this is not -- -- topic but I think.
That Republicans -- for need to do they need to I really -- of them to win this.
Let debt ceiling debate is -- -- to separate the debt ceiling from obamacare when you put them together the negatives of shutting down the government is gonna sort of cross your ability to win on the -- bunkers -- -- when he fourteen so.
Republican I think you do me that they do what do they wanna win they can learn -- again right on but if they mix it with the debt ceiling stuff they're gonna lose because the -- stuff is going to be a net negative amongst the American people this week and -- Democrats are talking about these days -- that day if we get a government shutdown Republicans are gonna get totally hosed right.
I don't think there's any question and I think cooler heads will prevail.
This on this you have children proposals and it.
Well look I know -- -- -- It's.
The reality is -- you know -- when the president comes back from vacation next -- to post -- you Pennsylvania and New York.
So where -- not stop for stop -- energy plant in Pennsylvania based on an economical workers.
Because he's killing their jobs and it's -- -- -- Houston.
Not just a 42%.
Among voters 35% reading on the economy right now the lowest of his presidency well.
And it is true by the way.
The president is not going -- Allegheny County I bet on this he's not gonna go down to Greene County where they mine coal intensity -- people do that stuff.
For Democrats to -- that basically -- the way we measure of lame duck mess.
And in 2006.
Going into at this point in the 2006 cycle.
Republicans were already starting to take one step away from George W.
Bush slowly like move -- the president hasn't seen.
That happen but you start -- sense that something like climate could be.
That's the forerunner of that that as these red state Democrats are gonna start to -- Sure about that I think we have disorders the I think it really depends upon what did I really think that this -- hinges on what happens in September when they come back right it depends on how the -- outlook that they think.
The private stuff that sort of go to that page content page of the newspaper if the Republicans really pushed his -- strategy well OK so you look stipulate.
If we have a lengthy government shut down -- up getting -- -- security checks it will probably expect it will probably change the dynamic politically in the country but.
If we were choose to say that somehow this will be survived.
By the federal government and that there have been people who continue to get Social Security checks and the like and tainted meat will not become En -- -- invoke at an album ultimate mean I think the if that doesn't happen this climate stuff really counts and Brian's great.
Obamacare was a big deal.
This cap and trade stuff was heinous Democrats got pounded on this in places.
People like Rick manager who is a Democrat in the day I think that was the eighth district of -- a prisoner -- -- he's in the fifth in the now know fifth the fifth is Robert book that's this -- that's the no good area luck.
General of Israel -- in the that's hurts that hurts that's the third but it's not -- sister Margaret OK Jim -- Jim ran was safe but.
We saw this that the climate stuff in places where Democrats have been able to lay low and hold back.
So who is your favorite Democrat to -- if you work at the senatorial committee still.
Which Democrat would you be most excited to play clips.
-- Gina McCarthy for.
Well certainly -- and -- in Kentucky Democrats have made this known incumbent Democrat incumbent Democrat.
Mark -- Maryland Mary Landrieu of Louisiana at he halo big energy producing state this is huge -- And mark baggage in Alaska probably might get to hear a little bit about that right to defend itself into everything that is that -- Republican and contender to be on the fact that -- of them go oh that's good will will -- -- -- a -- -- -- -- -- Alaska senate -- because -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- stories -- yeah.
There that would where we're gonna definitely wanna do that the guys were out of time for this.
That was that was my next that's anywhere on Friday and you know where you're entitled -- August Xena warrior run -- money colored -- Iran just issues out vote others it's exactly that's how they roll that's how well they're doing the guys from.
For us today -- -- a great weekend okay.
We're gonna take a quick break but when we come back we will talk about the Republican re launch that's going on in Boston a big part of this is how to talk to people who are not white.
What do you say as what do Republicans say.
To talk to nonwhite voters.
It's kind of tricky.
Because the party is predominantly that.
Predominantly people of power.
How will they figure this out there trying to -- they do it will figured out when we come back to stick around.