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If you look at the reports even the disclosures of mr.
-- was put forward.
All the stories that have been written.
What you're not reading about is the government actually abusing.
And -- listening in on people's phone calls or inappropriately reading people's emails what.
Your curing about is.
That these could be abused.
And that was President Obama in his pre vacation press conference last week a week ago today.
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The perennial silly season of politics that is Washington but intruding.
On that -- it today.
Is the fact that the Washington Post with news partner -- -- Has revealed the existence of thousands now -- argument -- here -- people etc.
but thousands of violations of breaches.
When it came to be collecting data that some inadvertent.
Some perhaps strongly committed to.
Snooping on American citizens the president said before Jay Leno that we don't have a domestic spying program.
The evidence might suggest strongly otherwise.
We will talk about that at all I'd -- that you Internet I totally forgot to tell -- It's an hour an hour of power play today hour of power.
Because Jonathan Hunt is hunting someplace.
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He he's not here so I'm with you for an hour you'll like or dislike that I don't know but that's what you've got the we have a good show today we'll talk about.
These Republican reset up in Boston we'll talk about what's going -- EPA.
As they try to advance.
Their agenda on global warming they're having some difficulties.
What about president Obama's reset.
Himself as a second term it's been a real problem do all of that.
We will do it with keen insight we will do it -- fairness.
We will do it with broad Vista is we will do that because we will begin the right way we will begin with Judith Miller.
She formerly of the Washington bureau of the New York Times now -- Fox News contributor.
I -- good morning.
Good morning indeed OK so.
I've -- -- posit this.
The president has not liked to defend the domestic spy stuff because it's not it's -- to his brain it.
His base does not like this stuff -- he.
Deplored it when it was being administered by the bush.
And the president doesn't seem to want to much defended her much talked about it or engage on the point we saw this in Afghanistan.
And president had to surge in Afghanistan but didn't seem to want to -- defend those.
And public support vanished well what what there was -- In this case would we expect to see the same thing that -- and already skeptical public will grow more skeptical as revelations like this come out.
Well I think that's definitely a challenge -- the administration it's a challenge for the president.
Who is you point out Chris has put his personal in premature.
In back of the need for this program.
And I think what.
Really is kind of weighs in his favor is the fact that this program has.
Support on Capitol Hill from both Republicans and Democrats in -- Diane fine staying.
Mike Rogers when the two of them say this program is absolutely indispensable.
To the national security the nation.
It's a very very.
It is encouraging and well content.
Badge of endorsement for Obama so I think he's kind of led off the hook until you get.
You know revelations like today about whether or not this program is being adequately -- -- and monitored.
Yeah and that what what's in the Washington Post today is some pretty revealing stuff.
-- again as I said slip ups where the wrong area code was put in and accidentally all of the calls from 202.
The Washington area code got scooped up for a time being.
And and -- mistakes others seem to be -- this.
Then we hear from the judge who runs the -- -- That -- that he suspects that the national security apparatus.
Sometimes is he dating -- Their full disclosure when it comes to.
Complying with the -- the laws.
Right I mean I think that's where the president has some vulnerability.
It's when you get that kind of whoops moment on an average of three times a day.
Since this program has been enacted -- the 2008.
He really had a problem you know the the example you pointed out first thing I think is very interesting.
By the NSA this isn't innocent typographical error but it was confused with.
Calls that emanate from.
20 which of course is Egypt so you would want to lose his say it could be looking at -- -- me get to you wouldn't want them to be you're looking at every call from 202 which is Washington.
-- you get those moments but I think your right.
The real problem with this.
With this program is the judge's ruling in 2011.
-- it was seem to be unconstitutional.
-- The critics of the NSA program have filed a Freedom of Information Act for that opinion.
And the administration is fighting it understandably.
Because they maintain that this program is perfectly OK and perfectly wonderful.
But I found Bart Gelman -- -- very interesting in the Washington Post a -- because.
Does he say he put it out that.
We really know when this is my problem with the program and that it is it is just much too secret it's more secret than it has to be they pull -- -- that only.
10% of the lawmakers who are supposedly responsible for overseeing this program.
Have a staffer who has adequate security clearances to look at the material they're supposed to be overseeing.
So how can you possibly say that this program is being adequately monitored by congress.
If 90% of the people who are supposed to be overseeing it don't even employ someone around the track has the capacity to do that.
It's revelations like that that I think are very traveling for the program.
And for American -- -- and had a Smart piece today in the journal.
You know outside of keeping us from getting killed.
There is the broader cultural sociological -- -- implications.
Something like this is that Americans are getting creeped out.
Because not only did the did what is obscene and obtained and and tracked by the federal government.
Is -- include everything from your medical records your do your phone call logs everything.
That it did this surveillance state has a lot of unhappy consequences.
As a culture and as a society.
And then we need to be really talking and that is something that that is worse.
Having a serious discussion about not ignoring because it's politically inconvenient.
Right and we're having that discussion -- I I hate to say this but we're having it because of -- Snowden.
Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
And -- even though I think I and perhaps EU and other people.
Are uncomfortable with the fact that he immediately took his four computers.
And his -- data about the program and went to two countries that are not particularly friendly to the united say -- It still raises the question.
Of whether or not there is adequate oversight -- someone -- -- -- can download that kind of material and walk off with it decide unilaterally.
That this program has problems that are disturbing enough to hand again to do this.
I think the program needs greater monitoring greater scrutiny and that's what we're getting now this by the way is the role of the press.
I think the Washington Post through dribbling out these stories and the guardian with Glenn Greenwald are doing an excellent job at keeping this issue.
On the forefront in on the political forefront the but the problem they have -- I pointed out is it has a lot of Republican and democratic support.
-- I thought that the I think that the president -- has the right of the pieces.
I'm for access.
He didn't -- that I mean.
That's only in the Obama administration acted with the wife and it's just going to check out on this is my hope my -- my -- precept is wrong.
I -- second term is really didn't get -- I think there's been much more skepticism than we -- on the first.
-- chairman I think we're gonna see a lot more skepticism.
As information like this tumbles out.
Lame ducks make better targets except us -- -- This -- is Smart and just -- you smarter Internet we thank you for making congress have a great.
Thank you Chris have a great day and I like you about the -- And we're.
Thank you have to ask you okay and that.
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But I -- tell -- something so I promise that there would be changes that there would be news is old news as it related to my column and who is -- -- -- pointed out.
It was in -- monster who pointed out was the idea for the new power play to emulate project -- Boot.
Yes what he's referring to there's of course on the campaigns.
Voter turnout model software that.
That -- mood itself on Election Day and yes there has been -- column for the past couple of days but.
Now I can say I think I think I can say we've been working out some technical details but I think I can say without progression -- come Monday.
Something hot there will be hotter biscuit in your basket so.
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Because we get to choose an election artists are.
Anyway we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back we'll talk about the EPA Obama's new look EPA.
And he's got it administrator designate who says -- is gonna work around congress because they're a bunch of unicorn.
Loving -- yours.
What's gonna happen with that will suss that out when we come back -- Said that he wasn't going to wait for congress.
But that he had administrative authorities and it was it was time to start utilizing knows more effectively in a more concerted way.
And that is how people from Boston Massachusetts talk.
That was Gina McCarthy she's the president's designee need.
To be the director of the environmental protection agents say.
And she was saying that the presence I'm gonna wait for congress because -- about your climate denying Republicans.
So he's gonna do what he can't through the EPA to crack down on carbon emissions.
And away we -- she was talking at the University of Colorado in boulder.
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Brian Walsh he is a former communications director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
What would you confess that's true that is true that's true he had.
It's bad they don't just hand out -- like that.
And now and now we're now where do you work where people hire you win races singer -- strategies so he's hanging out with -- -- just.
Bear that in mind OK just been very partisan public affairs -- -- right bear in mind OK so remember everybody like bipartisanship if that pace.
OK so the question is this and for real.
The EPA the president has.
Residents not kidding when he says he's going to act on climate in his second term he isn't this is not an empty threat.
He really can't wait and it's obviously something that's important to him.
Gina McCarthy laid it out yesterday in the strongest there yet she confirmed yet.
She -- -- she's not been confirmed by the United States and it's I don't know I would have said what she did trying to get confirm this is the point where you suck up to the Republicans say.
Whatever but she later that she made it very clear about what president's done.
This is going to hurt.
In border states swing states -- are in states and for senate or congress.
Or Arkansas or a bunch of places where there's coal fired electricity I'm not big in that -- right Richard.
That's absolutely true I think the president is saying is -- I think the hope is is that when the president puts his plan forward.
Is that -- find a way you know I think he's moving he's removing the plan moving the ball forcing if you can't get some compromise to pick up some conference sort of come back to the center and creating a true bipartisan.
Climate change type of situation I think there's a lot of it was a lot of we -- not Republicans have a that -- you know sort of weigh in here with that being said.
Having a lot of them are very scared about their primary challenges for example Lindsey Graham would be somebody -- -- president could pick up.
Who is now afraid that they -- bright and I ran against him.
Don't know leave writes that probably the stalking horse and a better down there are seriously no one he's got to be worried about this gal who's the first female graduate of the citadel mace is her last name she's a comer and Lindsey Graham got a problem in his -- South Carolina there's -- that she was stipulated that.
The president's idea.
That Republicans -- secretly want to -- to crack down on coal.
But the primary electorate won't let them so there being this patriotic and killing the earth.
That doesn't seem to comport with what we see from Democrats from these states who do the same thing don't they Richard I mean Joseph Manchin is not -- you think he he's not -- Hold each of the Republican primary electorate right well remembered as the president and the Democrats try to do this -- yes and slightly trying to pass cap and trade through.
On the heels of obamacare and they ended up losing over sixty seats the house about seven senate seats so this is a huge political problem for them.
And he understands that he can't get through is through congress who's gonna do an end around.
And do you like -- monitoring Grimes -- running in Kentucky huge problem for.
-- the -- McConnell may be so absolutely.
Tore by the time he gets to her if she she and Sam Nunn's daughter down in Georgia are basically running the same campaign pitches.
We are acceptable alternatives let's watch and see if the Republicans will unhinged their -- and each other's heads.
And then will be there to it to -- then I think that's exactly Chris and I think when the president does this if he decides to -- the executive order and to get this done what he -- he also gives Democrats that are running in these coal states that coal -- -- you know he gives them a chance to outlet right because you know after that -- -- -- elected from the lame duck president.
-- almost brought against the White House and still not do that -- You know lives and he's like one way he's got at least I.
All I -- called lame duck into I think it's it's too early to call him doctor it's beyond 42%.
Job approval starts to feel like one way -- it's one thing I think and but I looked at things that I think because Republicans don't have a great approval rating neither.
Well I think it did they continue to go to Ted Cruz strategy of sort of shutting down the government they're gonna get a horrible horrible that it would that -- -- and this is not on the topic but I think.
That Republicans go for need to do they need to I really fools of -- them to win this.
Let debt ceiling debate is it to separate the debt ceiling from obamacare when you put them together the negatives of shutting down the government is -- sort of cross your ability to win on the -- bunkers but when he fourteen so.
Republican I think you do me that they do what they want to win victim or obamacare again right on but if they mix it with the debt ceiling stuff they're gonna lose because the -- stuff is going to be a net negative amongst the American people yes.
We've and a Democrats -- talk about these days -- that day if we get a government shutdown Republicans are gonna get totally hosed right.
I don't think there's any question I think cooler heads will prevail this on this side of current proposals yeah.
But look I'm now looking askance at -- it's.
The reality is -- -- -- when the president comes back from vacation actually took a bus tour -- Pennsylvania and New York.
Usually results sucking sound does -- today energy -- in Pennsylvania based on the development co workers.
Because he's killing their jobs and it's a huge -- he's -- Not just a 42%.
Among voters -- -- 35% reading on the economy right now the lowest of his presidency to be problem -- -- And it is true by the way.
The president is not going -- Allegheny County I bet on this he's not gonna go down to Greene County where they mine coal intensity -- people do that stuff.
For Democrats that the basically Irish -- the way we measure of lame duck mess.
And in 2006.
Going into at this point in the 2006 cycle.
Republicans were already starting to take one step away from George W.
Bush slowly like move -- the president hasn't seen.
That happen but you start -- sense that something like climate could be.
That's the forerunner of that that is these red state Democrats are gonna start to bowl.
Sure about that I think we have disorders the I think it really depends upon what did I really think that this all hinges on what happens in September when they come back right it depends on how the -- -- -- -- -- think.
The private stuff that sort of go to that page content page of the newspaper if the Republicans really pushed as Ted -- strategy well OK so you look stipulate.
If we have a lengthy government shut down -- up getting -- says security checks it will probably expect it will probably change the dynamic politically in the country but.
If we were choose to say that somehow this will be survived.
By the federal government and that they're good people will continue to get Social Security checks and the like and tainted meat will not become -- Vogue for.
-- invoke at an album called -- I think V if that doesn't happen this climate stuff really counts and -- great.
Obamacare was a big deal.
This cap and trade stuff was heinous Democrats got pounded on this in places.
People like Rick -- sure who was a Democrat and the day I think that was the eighth district of nobody is -- -- he's in the fifth in the nun outfits that fit is Robert -- that's -- sure that's the no good area -- General of -- -- in the that's hurts now it hurts that's the third but it's not eight sister Margaret OK Jim -- Jim ran was safe but if we saw this that the climate stuff in places where Democrats have been able to lay low.
And hold back.
So who is your favorite Democrat to beat if you work at the senatorial committee still.
Which Democrat would you be most excited to play clips.
-- Gina McCarthy for.
Well certainly -- and Grimes in Kentucky Democrats and it is known incumbent Democrat incumbent Democrat.
Mark -- Maryland Mary Landrieu of Louisiana out -- -- being -- producing state now this is -- And mark bigots in Alaska probably might get to hear us a little bit about that right the defense -- everything -- is at WWW.
Contender to look beyond the fact that this that the government although that's good will will end up at its.
Statement on the Alaska senate primary because it's going to be wild and a lot of stories yeah.
Yeah there that would where we're gonna definitely wanna do that the guys were out of time -- this so that was fun.
That was my next next and kind of try to do now where you're entitled -- August you know where you run -- money colored.
Iran just issues out to vote others that's exactly that's how they roll that's how well they're doing with the guys from.
Actress today -- -- a great weekend okay.
We're gonna take a quick break but when we come back we will talk about the Republican re launch that's going on in Boston a big part of this is how to talk to people who are not white.
What do you say as what do Republicans say.
To talk to nonwhite voters it's kind of tricky.
Because the party is predominantly that.
Predominantly people of our.
How will -- figure this out there trying to -- they -- it will figured out when we come back -- -- different.
And that is what it looks like when Republicans gather her together in Boston.
And this is -- and welcome back -- the Republicans why they picked us -- I guess it's cooler in August but Boston was not a scene of great joy for the Republican Party.
There -- summer meeting is taking place this year's party figures out among other things how to get people who are not.
People of how -- people of people of just white Republicans.
To dig the party's message to get down with republicanism.
How do they do that.
Brooke we've heard from -- previous many times.
That the parties getting on the ground reaching out in a material way -- minority groups in the United States to say look.
Republican isn't isn't the Republicans -- the white party.
Do party of opportunity there pushing hard on this but it is a tough Clift for party that has been roundly -- identified by Democrats and by most -- the establishment press as the the party of white people.
It's tough out there somebody who knows that it's tough is Daniel Garza.
Who served in the office of public liaison in the George W Bush Administration he was Republican.
And he was and I have to be on my I should have worn my -- Because he was an anchorman for Univision so I need to get it together today at 10 o'clock yes they don't do that so -- welcome good to have you here appreciate it.
OK and you are now and this is why you're here you are now the the brave initiative a nonprofit.
Grassroots organization that educates free market values in the Hispanic community so this is what you guys are trying to do.
Is bring the economic or fiscal or opportunity component of conservatism to to say hey look.
There is something for -- and -- Hispanic community.
There is something for you guys there's something in conservatism that makes sense to you guys.
It's a tough hole though -- cultural identifier so strongly.
Push Hispanic Americans away from conservatism right.
Well it depends on what you're talking about a minute you're engaging the Hispanic community and free enterprise free market.
And I think also social.
-- you know that's what their interest in like all Americans are just didn't kitchen table issues things that impact them in the economy is this.
Hugely of importance to Hispanic community so that's what we're doing we're driving that discussion that dialogue within that -- a community.
I think it's high time that we did that -- for the longest time there's been an absence of this kind of dialogue within the Hispanic who.
You know gala -- had interesting numbers the other day where they talk to -- out.
-- the curve on -- new immigrants the United States -- this is not new with Hispanic people.
Do move in -- immigration.
Mostly are Democrats when they Iraq we have the Scots Irish did Jack Sony is the birth of the Democratic Party was part of the Scots Irish -- -- my ancestors.
That was that the hillbillies were the first -- work of the Democratic Party.
It's the Germans went Republican.
Changed America civil war it was cool.
The Irish then Democrat and then the southern and eastern European immigrants.
Overwhelmingly Democrat when they came through -- Ellis Island at the turn of the previous century Hispanic immigrants as one would expect would be Democrats as they came in.
Troubling thing for republic as these Republicans are gathering up in Boston and troubling thing is the curve which should be slackening.
For local -- accessibility for new immigrant accessibility into the Republican Party openness.
Is going the other way and they are showing more resistance to Republicans.
Most people blame that on the dialogue and immigration.
I think has a lot to do with -- -- think but as you folks have to understand through that and I think within the conservative movement.
I think ideas that are being considered.
There's debate healthy debate that we need to have on very complex very important issue to the United States of America yet.
It's important I think they're conservatives also speak to the merits of the issue and don't you know.
Get too emotional about the issue and so I think you've seen that I think you've seen even like for example senator Ted Cruz.
Has called for expanding.
The pathway to legal immigration he -- the best remedy to legal immigration as you know more legal immigration and in fact.
One of -- amendments calls to increased the amount of these opportunities five times what it is today that's and it proves that he's an anti immigration he's.
If you listen closely -- Republicans are proposing innovative ideas solutions learning from the lessons of the past and Washington -- -- more legal immigrant.
But that's key phrase listen closely boaters generally don't listen closely they hear.
The -- they hear the noise and Democrats have been very successful in branding the Republican Party is anti immigrant -- -- -- Anti and when somebody says something like what Steve King said.
About the dreamers and -- drug runners and things like that that's gonna get amplified.
One -- -- times and what Ted Cruz who set it right he sat in the very chair that you're sitting in and told me that same thing that's not gonna get pumped up in the same line.
That's exactly right and I think it's obvious that conservatives have the mainstream media against them and you're right I think they're gonna focus on maybe the 1015%.
Maybe the -- rhetoric that is being used in this issue.
-- win the argument or to win their side and unfortunately I think they're doing a lot of fodder from the conservative side when it comes to that and so hopefully I -- the rest of Canada.
And that's what they're trying to do up in Boston is basically -- exactly chill out.
They're saying chill out guys.
Now about what you guys are doing.
At the -- greatly regret leaving today and -- a -- look at -- why don't worry about it's I just don't wanna say like I'm from where I'm from its own Chrysler.
The be good people today institute.
Or initiative to initiative -- -- -- to -- -- -- at all.
Get your tax -- got -- but do what you guys are focusing on is trying to make the argument on.
There there is an economic component here that.
Should sync up anybody who has ever spent time in the southwest units especially Texas go to town like San Antonio.
Who's running the small businesses.
Who this -- the entrepreneurial class -- in those places Hispanics and very often new immigrant Hispanics because that's the point of accessibility to the American marketplace you don't need to know somebody to get -- if you know how to do it and have a good product to make it happen you can do it yourself.
That's that's exactly right and and I think the Hispanic community needs to hear voices from the conservative.
Conservative side -- conservative Terry -- even about these kind of issues.
For the longest time I think the Hispanic community has been hammered with the messaging coming from.
Progressive nonprofit organizations and rename them now.
Michelle Michelle and endless billions of dollars A list Hollywood folks.
Pop culture has been just hammering them on a liberal messaging and now I think.
Conservatives are fighting themselves to be in the battle of converting them back over to a lot of these you know conservative principles which we feel.
You know we can engage on and we can win on because I think it's it's we hold -- I think the moral advantage and musicians.
And I didn't think I could do Ackerman and stuff we've got to make it even amendment did you guys aren't there Aaron a lot of -- -- that we're glad that I had a lot of I work that we don't know of any good then you guys that we thank you for making time for us today mock -- points out and rightly.
Very rightly the Republicans can't even turn out there white voters so they have very little chance that at that talking to -- getting others to vote for that any it is true and that we've talked about it here before many times Republicans have largely a demographic.
And act as socioeconomic demographic problem more than an ethnic -- racial problem because they have a problem in getting those folks in here than median income mark that's fifty to 70000 dollar bracket is where Republicans have to win those are the folks is -- ten points out.
They were white folks but those -- the folks who stayed home in states like Ohio and Michigan and said I don't think Mitt Romney is really my cup of tea and they didn't go vote in the Republicans lost the election.
Okay we're gonna take a quick break but -- we come back.
We're going to thunder into a second half hour of our life be a -- couldn't Hulu.
It is good it is good.
-- fares will be with us we will talk about what's going on.
In Egypt and what the United States can do and can't you'll like it sister program.
United States strongly condemns.
The steps that have been taken by Egypt's interim government and security forces.
We deplore violence against civilians.
We support universal rights essential to human dignity.
Including the right to peaceful protest.
And that was President Obama taking a break from his vacation on Martha's Vineyard yesterday to make comments.
About ongoing violence and bloodshed in Cairo and around Egypt.
As islamists clash with the military in the militarily backed government.
There in Egypt and this is power plant welcome back and it is something I'm very happy to finally be able to say.
-- leave Perez.
Who is -- terrorism analyst.
And truly one of the smartest people on the topic guy who whose work I -- to a lot -- welcome.
Thank you so much -- there -- excited OK so here's the question the united the president said yesterday.
Egypt is complicated.
But basically hoped that -- went -- not a -- who not a -- but the military interim government.
Could progress to something.
To deal with the Muslim Brotherhood in the Islamist that we formerly back.
But things seem to be -- -- -- it.
The US role that we don't seem to have much clout in determining what's going on over there my reading this wrong.
No you are reading this very accurately let me and -- two point with a questionable -- this is the president what so excited about the army being able to Wayne and and then acceptable but what was the -- Reasonable plan.
Because of the -- one -- The Muslim Brotherhood.
Were protesting in downtown you get back up that the protests that have been beneficial for the last we have an -- Bet that -- militia in five vote count and I've -- an -- -- it get it would be I don't.
So if you -- government you've got to make a decision and that decision was not made up by the government that would -- city million Egyptian.
Imagine that -- emitted it being fired its European demonstration of what -- years.
I think the common.
Mark onto the Soviets spent too much when they act and the legacy to leave -- -- both Malaysia and that -- or an excellent.
In general who is -- -- -- that but -- what that would bring back with some more safe and -- -- -- Transformed it depends on how that's probably -- but I'm in the Egyptian public you.
Now a great concern.
For every one about Egypt and we see this is the saudis and other gulf states start to pour money into Egypt to keep -- keep the country functioning.
Is this is a poor country this is not a wealthy country.
And there is a very young population that would seem to be right before radicalization.
What is at stake what is on the line in Egypt in this clash between secularism.
Let me correct some of the information -- -- -- even if he's projection is that there isn't overwhelming -- With just war but have a job and they -- -- be reported Bobby plump.
Yes it's true that there are too high to be improved by the Obama I just that.
Circuit City million egyptians show the world in short our academic elite that the father majority in Egypt it's not that -- Circuit City million.
Not the maximum number that the brother would have been able to report which can hit any screen etiquette these green is one million people could benefit -- inside.
It otherwise -- about it but the brotherhood.
I got to continue with the good -- -- bad.
Against the Egyptian army and I can't -- that we get by the way -- mainstream media.
Ignored completely over the seven -- school hours my friends.
Certainly they churches and get into all -- have been burned down I don't know that it so that if it security terrorism issue to be a threat.
And obviously -- about the economy issue and -- we're -- with both initial well we have to be at.
Well -- if you if they can and if the islamists -- if this vehicle rest can show enough.
Heartache if they can do enough to disrupt life there and we've seen this in other countries in the region.
If they can do enough to disrupt life there they and they -- -- in a breakdown of society are better.
Oh absolutely I agree with you but that the that the -- that the egyptians -- the Egyptian people.
It would allow more I think as a president who may have been minority because my -- -- -- have shifted to the majority I gave him.
And transform it hit into -- an Islamic state which means there will be no Bakalar.
Body that could run for election next spot so that -- no other option it would be like Iran or maybe like the party benefit on -- that would be one option.
The other option would be to demonstrate against him -- -- dot.
And Olympic bid -- he -- number.
He should have resigned or he should have called for a national unity cabinet and that is that I'm not resigning I wanted to clear that he -- -- when he declared that.
I think that his own people.
-- -- said wait a minute your op could have another election and when the army did that -- the brother but wait there and that is the so this -- of it and basically it based on any particular whether whether or not we're engaged.
In a pluralistic society and they need to reform -- -- -- form then -- could be back into the political process I think.
Last thing while -- is this the president's strategy for the Middle East has been something I guess you could describe as.
Transitional theocracy that in states like Libya.
We're after being something now in serious certainly Egypt is the largest case.
Libya is the most -- is the farthest along the path in which we partner or backed Islamist governments theocratic governments.
That as it as a transition to power sharing on the grounds that repressive western backed strongman.
-- didn't allow true descent to a rise this doesn't seem to be working.
No -- actually a very good description of the actual problem in the Middle East -- without foreign policy and let me quickly expand one point.
I think the administration and maybe some other politicians and and the sound of the city.
Happen badly advised by our academia.
It was told that the majority of the report by the beauty of the Islamic bailout from the brotherhood book I don't get it -- -- -- back.
That was a big mistake and accept that what we -- in Egypt overwhelming majority of silent majority mark again the Indonesia I'm getting -- -- -- It's going to be something very similar.
In Libya they are people not pushing back against the opposite of course a -- Division was so I think Iran and remember and do enough about and I'm not millions on the street so -- -- won't I'm not really willing to go under the body that.
They don't what we have they want FaceBook that one job at what we you know freedom sort of -- what yes definitely -- in Washington.
Let's put up with a partnership I can -- exactly what do you -- and not we think that the -- by the.
Are pushing back again I would -- we need to adopt the civil society.
Not who that the look back -- -- of -- Internet and make your promise here and now I will not make you wait so long to hear from -- lead again.
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You know what let's just get the break gonna skip the break I think we should let's just -- let's just go right to it let us plunge headlong into excellence.
Because I believe when I say these magic words things will appear on the screen if I said hey.
Let's take a look at President Obama.
-- -- there it is there is a guy.
-- -- -- -- -- Hop hop hop thanking golf president playing golf on his vacation.
On my office and yet.
Needs a little bit of a Mulligan because.
The second term he has had a crummy start by anybody's -- -- estimation out whose fault that is is for discussion.
But the president has had this crummy start to a second term how does he reset after taking -- break this is a good break on its August there is recess.
Big consequential stuff is gonna -- in Washington when he comes back.
But the debt ceiling and budget and all that stuff so what does the president need to do.
To get that -- to re tee the ball in his second term people who know and will indulge me when I make golfing -- I hope.
-- Julie -- he she is a former communications director for job.
-- -- she's a democratic strategist she is Smart lovely and talented Andy Fox News contributor all Juli welcome.
Hi how are you happy Friday.
Are you are you feeling it I every day but especially today there's not another you're taking -- for Jonathan Hunt especially this.
Who else is feeling it perhaps Jim Pinkerton is feeling it -- is a contributing editor and writer for the American pyramid magazine yes that's true.
But he is also of course Fox News contributor that's also true but he also has has been inside the inside.
Political Washington serving in administrations.
And other areas of excellence Jim Baker and welcome back you.
OK he's not he's not you're not going to dispute my characters -- I think -- Inside the inside the -- -- that's deeper inside urgent thing.
-- we -- -- belly of the beast yeah that sounded pejorative.
OK I want to ask you guys first for your advice for the president.
He needs a reset Julie what's he need today.
I actually don't know we need to do because anything he tries to do if he doesn't through executive order the other party screams if he tries to do it.
Working in a bipartisan fashion with a Republicans.
They're too busy -- CNN and M and NBC -- from their debates so they're -- -- and in doing anything else.
Which is what I understand RNC was up to this day while while the rest the world was burning so.
I don't know I mean you know he's kind of a damned if -- damned if you don't he can't yet he's not this place.
Rhetoric from the right he's sort of not an -- he can't do anything on -- zone.
The other side really not -- do anything with them so.
He has locally gulf right might as -- hang out on the vineyard on I would also be doing right now.
All right so question.
Jim figured and you have been in administrations.
Win it's we it's time to get on the good foot and change discussion how you change the discussion.
I think you call on the opposition I realize they don't wanna come and I realize they don't wanna help you but they have to do if you asked them in public.
And I think you should be calling them and say what do we do that agent.
What we do about this whole business over there and may Boehner and McConnell.
Own phone part of it.
I don't I think that you -- -- -- I think as patriots they would say okay here's our best advice and then furthermore -- -- there and it shows you partisan about it and they and they might do that as well.
Then find you've got listen the president said it was -- urgent crisis and I need your help come in talked to me the White House.
Instead the president playing golf and and I would say this these executive orders and whatnot that is doing or not small.
George will had a terrific column in the Washington Post a couple days ago about the nature of the executive Fiat of applied to the health care bill.
And the president just simply waving.
Parts of the law that he finds inconvenient I think that is certainly.
Sticking in the and I not only the Republicans and also the constitution.
But even so they're firing president's -- this this is a moment of crisis on the leadership get off the golf course get back -- the White House and and actually lead.
But I think we know what's gonna happen rates of Boehner McConnell go to the White House the president tells them to go they'll go and then we'll do a lovely press conference in the driveway saying the president's farm policies horrible.
You know the problem is it's so partisan down there in your homeland of -- -- yeah.
See a kid was I see you know I can't you know -- you'll get getting a -- -- about DC but it's not.
It was partisan anything else what it's gotten paraded.
Any current number of candidate Barack Obama predicted it might terribly partisan but look at.
If if if if the president is the leader.
When the other guys are -- partisans he wins.
I mean there's still a national interest of that that even if they've Washington's too divided to really acknowledge it all the time the country still feels that the country still think something is really really gone wrong.
In the Middle East and so the country still expects people solve it and and -- Obama looks big and it's big bear I was small with a -- effort if they wouldn't.
They're very worried it would be to their detriment.
Yeah oh yeah we'll wait yeah -- -- -- so and I'm talking about this before.
But the idea this sort of white flags syndrome that Ron -- talked about.
And and others have talked about where the president has decided that you can't work with these guys so let's say.
That the president has decided that.
These guys are not gonna come to the table.
I give up on trying to do what Jim is describing as a way to to to flip the script.
Inside this universe I get the feeling you step I know what's gonna happen I was billion I was gonna have a the president goes out on his bus tour and gives more speeches I don't feel like that's gonna change any thing.
And let's not gonna change anything in DC -- everybody in DC look at DC's over I hate to say this but it's just you and you really.
I'm still kind -- no but until Barack Obama leaves the White House I predict nothing.
You're never gonna have any kind of bipartisan movement because I'm not just the Republicans have already moved on -- the 26 elections.
-- got people focus and Hillary Clinton which is why you're seeing this crazy RNC move up next -- you know over and over -- -- TV show.
You know so it's over in DC the president can go -- -- this of the rest of the country and that probably would help his political standing if he does it in the right way.
And answers of actually getting something done legislatively.
You know I hate to say this it's only the first year second term but.
This they're not gonna ever go along with anything he wants to even remotely compromise on even if they wanted to -- He try to do grand bargain with John Boehner.
John Boehner tried to go along with -- John Boehner don't caucus killed it not once but twice you've got people at Marco Rubio -- -- now saying -- -- -- Obama care.
-- to shut down the government I mean these are not people.
You can compromise what they're not interested in compromise that -- -- governing.
Julie Julie -- -- is gloomier dig more and you were I didn't know usual my.
-- it's Friday it's no -- Friday I let's just finish like that lets third trending right now my friend you got to -- -- and I'm -- -- -- -- right now Julie we thank you.
As for making time -- -- a -- big act back after Friday and did get here -- I tell you something here.
You're going to do host of the -- -- I understand after Paraguay -- -- can we tell briefly the Internet what you're going to talk about.
CNN has failed and -- the move to the middle.
Who do you feel -- -- -- you should be Jim -- it will do so in excellent fashion thanks for being with us -- Internet we'll see you in the second thank you.
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