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The lab and let me begin John I want to play.
The first -- Which is the president's explanation.
The NSA scandal and then get into a discussion -- -- so we get asked for number three.
Two be played.
If you look at the reports even the disclosures of -- -- put forward.
All the stories that have been written.
What you're not reading about is the government actually -- and these programs.
And -- listening in on people's phone calls or inappropriately reading people's emails what.
Your curing about is.
-- these could be abused.
John is that true.
And I had a taste on just reading -- -- August 15 was last Thursday when.
The Snowden story appeared in the Washington Post I don't know of the audit.
-- by the NSA in 2011 to 2012 the revealed all of these abuses -- which prove that the president.
Did not speak the truth now whether he knows the truth or hasn't been told the truth I don't want to accuse some but.
Con commitment yacht but the president -- state should never be allowed to speak an untruth that staff should brief them.
On the truth of the thing Bo Obama -- -- -- what he's up early in early June this guy went to Hong Kong.
With four laptops he's been out of United States ever since two weeks and on -- off to the Moscow airport now he's in Russia.
He is who waited -- first second first or second week of August.
Goading the administration.
Into saying something like that and then bang out comes this ought to.
That they've been doing just what he said spying on Americans.
Listening nor phone calls in the exact opposite to what the president said you really wonder what else is this guy have a most for laptops.
Pat what do you -- well let me first -- saying I'm one of government has put contacts around the president's statement.
He was having a press conference designed to reassure the public about the -- and how I'm gonna look into what -- going to be -- So not to know or be prepared for the sport having no I mean you've really got either somebody blew it -- they really think the American people are stupid.
And that you can get up and say this all this the north came out and remember this is only the -- reported a ball what then.
Your area code two road to violations.
This is not -- violation you can be in the multiple thousands all -- proves is how.
You know it is how vulnerable this -- in this morning I gather senate into democratic senator senator -- -- Morgan senator -- of whichever one of Colorado I guess said bad.
This is only the tip of the -- park.
As I'm telling you and people all you know it's a tip of the iceberg but it is in -- -- -- -- -- impeachable offenses now it's.
No I don't think they're bigger it's bigger than the event so you're president it's the executive branch is I'm running out of control is back out of urethane would you really we -- -- -- pleased to restate now for all of.
Also -- government.
Of men now not of laws.
This is open administration and in my judgment.
Is effectively lawless.
I'm not -- to have -- individual culpability.
On individuals yet I think it's much too early and and may never be appropriate to do it.
But it is clearly given Obama care.
Giving in the an -- The IRS this a government that uses the powers of the state coercive -- And idiosyncratic plea to enforce its own policy can you get a few more syllables and their I cat if you -- -- -- mister Moore for a lot of local and long complicity.
Did you get that lump all of this has -- directed usually -- their enemies.
But -- whatever this is on the scale so much larger than Watergate.
In terms of what.
It but -- centered on something we need to really talk about which is a government class the -- in contempt of the American people.
From Britain from India and this is in the currency in this.
What we have is a government to power supplies I said initially -- surprises applause depresses us with cynicism.
Has tries to bribe everybody but dependency.
And what he's doing isn't -- is -- -- -- -- thank you the but not always somebody really bond and truth is an act so it's no longer currency -- -- occurrence we can lie and say what everyone in the worst parties.
Normally not only do we not have an opposition.
Then who in fact in some ways.
Equally culpable or refusing to stand up you listed a bunch of the two things we can go on fast and furious and all -- big.
The conduct of the reasons the recess appointment -- recess appointments when the court said these you're legally just hope we don't care.
When the Republicans went along with confirming them anymore maybe they rolled over the surrendered under led by this surrender caucus of Tarkanian and in ruins you going in the Republican Party what's -- care -- there's.
I'm thinking when you guys are going on about this and to be fair about it we have to go back I think to right after 9/11.
And when this type of behavior under the previous administration actually began if you can.
Cherry pick evidence to justify an unnecessary invasion of a country that had not attacked us and get away with a if you can lie to congress a Republican congress now Republican administration line to a Republican congress about.
The true cost of the prescription drug benefit.
In order to get them to pass -- if you can why all the time and have signing statements to attempt to bond -- in laws passed properly by both houses of congress.
They were abusing power also -- and by the -- and -- -- Obama came along and did even more.
Let's call a slippery slope when you have the Cheney.
I'll get -- Justice Department bush Justice Department arguing that there is a super presidential supremacy that is not in the constitution.
You -- And you guys you know are good reminds him Nixon saying if the president does it does not at least not illegal but but this is being carried out all Obama has gone in and take the ball and -- -- Because again too many Republicans -- up wouldn't stand up -- some Democrats it.
But in Washington -- a ruling class their attitude is we know better you knew what we tell you to do.
You're the server we -- the masters and the cut and this is a politics who does not represent the interest the American -- let me.
To that and pat.
Play sound bite number six.
On phony scandals and -- viewing John to react in the context of what we now know.
-- endless parade of distractions.
And political posturing and phony scandals.
Washington's taken its eye off the ball the point is -- an analyst distraction -- political posturing and phony scandals and lord knows what.
Washington keeps taking its eye off the ball and endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals shift focus from what needs to be done.
-- and we also play.
Before I get Pat's reaction number four.
I've reviewed the Treasury Department watchdog report and the misconduct.
That and cover up.
It's inexcusable and Americans -- right to be angry about it and I am angry about.
I will not tolerate this kind of behavior in any agency but especially in the Arabs.
Given the power that it hands and the reach that it -- and all of our lives.
And as I said earlier it should not matter.
What political -- -- problem.
The fact of the matter is that.
The IRS has to operate.
With absolute integrity.
And it seems to -- there's some inconsistency.
I'm I don't know -- can't.
That is so kind it reminds me it's like OJ Simpson now on the golf course looking for the killer.
I'm telling you to say one thing in May and a new -- phony scandals.
Beyond belief it's like mixing giving the bottom of Watergate.
The president is then launched a massive cover up would -- blew his former chief of staff and now the Treasury Secretary who picks -- crony.
To -- -- -- were pulled from the IRS and suppress everything all of this in the service of protecting.
I just happy -- investigation of Jack -- And his departure paper from NYU while that should have been done and does it when his confirmation here NYU's changing their policy on these loans trial and cronyism and the cashing out the goes on.
And all of these people and politics and you know what it's this is the idea -- -- -- -- you do we say by the way.
Look at the iconic moment the most important one -- no one will pick up really politically and run -- But -- have the president going down on the a bomb to lose the -- to the Capitol Hill to look staffs.
Who worry about having to be in my obamacare which -- -- -- to be under law.
And giving them -- -- government subsidies and are nowhere in the wall and -- moon goes along with this -- it is all in favor of the week.
There are no slow and -- expand on that expense we've heard for five years that this president.
Doesn't like to get his hands dirty in legislative work you won't call democratic senators certainly won't call Republicans won't really -- totally political insiders.
He's not even going to cocktail party sort of but.
But -- say he won't do the work that Clinton love to do Reagan -- it LBJ was a master.
-- massaging an ego Macon and deal.
You'll until except.
Last week for this thing that you brought up that in order to make the staffs and the congressman.
-- He's giving our money.
To these staffers and congressman.
Up to thirteen grand a person per year in a subsidy.
To pay for their health care and the two parties made a deal we will not use it against each other in the campaign next year -- -- Regardless this is -- remember I can we all keep saying the real division in politics is between -- -- -- political class.
And the American people and unfortunately.
The Republicans not only are incompetent rollover and play dead on these scandals.
Too often they're complicit in them because they want the same kind of.
How -- guys say thank god I'm Suzanne why we we -- select committee on it doesn't we don't we've we've known that for months want.
Because things are coming out now that should it come out from investigations up on the hill that haven't come out the fact CNN -- -- places -- Two weeks ago the biggest news story since the event took place.
Three -- CIA agents there in bank Gaza denied the attack seven albums -- -- wounded we were never told that before.
All evacuated all put under pressure not to go to congress not to talk their polygraph every two weeks.
They've had to sign nondisclosure agreements.
That's intimidation of potential witnesses why innocent Boehner.
Subpoena these people why hasn't he went out -- the ramparts to get them up in public hearings to find out won't want to cause.
And -- majority leader.
Win and mr.
Rogers were part and parcel of approving.
What that CIA mission was about which YouTube relevant to me about right what happened that night Amy -- And because of that.
Not only cover you it's only random because you will not he doesn't care enough about it I don't -- doesn't care about Americans about -- on his list.
First sustained speaker in the committee chairman.
But the stuff going on and remembers this is how outrageous it.
We send Brandon John Brennan leaves the White House to go to the CIA he is the one masterminding the cover up of this the FBI has been used.
There should be an investigation there should be investigation John has constantly said.
One on the IRS and abuse of government that is not being pursued.
In the new face of all no nothing really happened and now we know constantly it has been moved -- and you know.
And we -- on our show it has to do when the time line.
Of the same person who in 2008.
Who -- -- Bob Bauer became chief counsel -- in 2010.
-- Obama's campaign and personal lawyer.
Became and he is the one they -- coincides with -- all of the stuff being issued out of the White House this stuff is outrageous and overwhelming work but no one.
In the -- name's Tony it's nixonian in the use of executive power to screw your political opponent we're gonna get to those political opponents of the second -- week.
Come back we're gonna take Kate.
Brief break -- political insiders will be back with probably area and -- -- out there and just about it.
Hi I'm -- John I'm back with a loquacious on the lovely day.
And they certainly never -- dramatic Patrick got we're gonna return to the Republican.
Party I'd like to play sides if I -- back to back.
Eight and nine and then.
Discuss those so sound bites in the context of the Republican strategy or lack thereof.
I don't want to -- -- any more than anyone else what I want is the truth.
In addition of that the IRS as.
Admitted to targeting that conservatives.
Even if the White House continues to be stuck on the word if now my question isn't about who's -- -- resign.
My question is who's going to jail over this -- We've got to restore that trust in government.
And we've got to restore the faith in our economy.
And their questions that are being answered and we are accountable to the families of the victims and -- Ghazi.
We certainly you are accountable.
To the taxpayers the people of this country -- the actions of -- -- And we certainly have plenty of questions aren't accountable.
To the press in terms of its first amendment rights and its ability to enjoyed those and realized -- What a cast for his -- -- my question.
John is what do you make of what Boehner and McConnell is there was very clear about the IRS who's ticked off when we -- more -- -- what I haven't heard a word no and it.
And and he's got one committee really doing the IRS which is government up oversight -- -- guy and he's got really doing Ben -- also saw how can you really be getting into the bottom of either one.
If you're doing the two biggest scandals with the same staff imagine if the Watergate special Sam Ervin committee.
Was investigating that and writing tax reform at the same time and.
-- -- -- that polled by Boehner.
But I -- who's gonna go to what a fraud he went out to do a press -- it's no different than Obama going out and do when he did.
We have what we have to go back to the theme we started the show with them we talked about -- civil lawlessness.
When institutions breakdown when the -- wall breaks down.
All it's inconvenient to have -- -- Whether it's in the Republicans or Democrats the damage done in the society and I believe this is becoming a bigger issue.
-- anyone in Washington thanks.
And it its interest to me how no one will grab this issue because -- Republican candidates because for present potential runs.
Because it would cost their party leadership.
-- now here's my question is there -- Republican strategy no no of course not for focus no Republican leader and I don't blame Missouri Republican Party.
A dying party.
Yeah effusive I've senators -- talk.
A Republican I am a Republican now and I'm a conservative Republican but I don't think that definition conservatism.
Is seen by a lot of so called conservatives anymore is really what it is and I said it briefly yesterday on the air I'll repeat it.
That you guys have been talking about we've -- employ about his.
Predicted by conservatives and this is what conservatism was founded on.
Excessive federal power abused against individual people.
What it's it's this is say fastball.
Right down the middle for conservative -- and out of the ballpark.
They -- -- swinging at a.
And what's disappointing to me to institution not only is -- opposition was supposed to be philosophically against and you sent.
But it -- Democrat.
Even when we -- when President Carter had mass majority leader Bill Clinton.
New leadership of the Democratic Party and -- congress had an institutional loyalty.
To protect the institutional rights when the checks and balances equation where there institutions.
That's totally disappeared so the senate of the United States in the senators have been made nothing.
But political appendages.
But -- I don't know right now that first proof of that one young mr.
Cadel arrives in the white house with president just newly inaugurated president.
Carter was the -- project bill that they tried to cut money out of the budget and Tip O'Neill and the house Democrats went.
But it bonkers.
To their credit by the way they're preserving their turf and their role -- The house and now you don't see that at all do you see any Democrats ever standing up to Obama.
Rarely never knew Blair standing up.
There institution they're right the right of their institution to be nothing but even rubber stamping lap dog.
More -- Harry Reid delivering to the White House for measures that many of them know are unconstitutional.
Or really border corn declined checks and balances making a country.
What would essentially.
What like I mean we had it this is the way to roll this is -- slow motion off for caring newsroom.
No -- deal but basically it's slow road to banana republic ladies and gentlemen and that is not what the United States is -- it also.
Maybe the road to what we thought the road had arrived for years ago or two years ago Tiffany -- and that some vote could come along outside this mess.
And run against the whole thing that is a very -- to do that.
Tougher than I expected given the institutional prerogatives of both parties.
Using this system to bottle up opposition that's why that requires an effort to go over their heads to a country.
Look at look at the one question the other question I think we may have but -- be able to Wall Street Journal poll.
Don't know them -- number one.
We're look at this we have on the question of when you broke to replace every member of congress including -- wrong.
If you're -- the ballot 5730.
-- by far the largest lender are there many many other polls like this and you don't want.
But we know that 9095%.
Incumbents will be.
The real real what -- because the system is rigged.
Restitution I was -- thing for the first time.
The Americans -- elections are unfair in camel and most of the people some seventy some percent believe their congressman to collectively as the elections are rigged in their right.
So what you have to be able to do is go over that head you've got to have -- movement but someone has to give voice to it you cannot have a country.
We we have said this it two years ago right I -- this is a very revenues shrewd revolutionary moment.
Any system is desperately want to -- their numbers are the revolution happening.
-- was waiting for someone -- these opening weeks.
Analyze that but if we said.
In not in 1992.
Which will soon be 24 years ago -- -- we have little economic slowdown we just come out of the gulf war.
Ross Perot runs is a third candidate as you pointed -- he was leading.
In June against the incumbent President Bush.
And against Bill Clinton and about maybe the Democrat right.
He didn't really want to be president Ross Perot so he drops out.
Is -- cookie comes back in the race goes in the debates and still gets 19%.
Of the vote that he gets 19%.
24 years ago -- -- pretty happy country.
Compared to this new compared to -- 2016.
And the mess we've spent the last two shows talking about.
If you had a better saner version of Ross Perot and the finance laws are better now and they -- -- you can have an outside guy -- supplying.
You don't have to have a Rich Ross.
Let me -- -- with the right person and one -- here you can change America.
And the grassroots -- -- he knows the right person that I had written about and I don't know we impoundment telling me and 310 and papal orders and -- somebody out there's somebody out there and can do this you know I will tell the audience some inside story.
-- -- -- This is part of the ultimate compliment it's looking a little nervous and very nervous but I didn't and I I have over the years known David Axelrod he's been -- Friend and professional colleague even given the chasm that exists on ideology and world -- between us.
We looked to me -- one point and said.
Pat -- the single most dangerous man in American politics that's the biggest compliment you can have well let me just say that was -- -- -- A Benjamin Franklin and wonderful.
Corbett the answers I hope I wish I could still at the end I'm wishing upon -- a live up to that.
Because I believe right now.
The American people can redeem their country I know we all do we are the only people talking about this on the air you will find anywhere on television.
Pat we have about thirty seconds left and I'm gonna do something we sometimes but rarely do.
A movie review.
I'm -- urge our viewers.
To see the Butler.
It's an uplifting.
Sometimes sober sometimes scary view.
Of American politics.
Some from the twenties to the current day I urge our viewer how to Jane Fonda as Nancy Reagan -- believable yeah.
Robin Williams pretty good as Eisenhower.
Real John F.
Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson characters.
Less compelling the characteristic -- what's the -- but what that review I am -- -- -- -- -- our viewers to see it.
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