Power Play 8/21/2013
Christians targeted in Egypt, the race for 2016 and the NSA can track 75% of all internet traffic
Aug 21, 2013
Juan Williams, Katie Pavlich, Alan Colmes, James Joyner
Christians targeted in Egypt, the race for 2016 and the NSA can track 75% of all internet traffic
Aug 21, 2013
Juan Williams, Katie Pavlich, Alan Colmes, James Joyner
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Good morning I.
I am Crist -- law and these are your power play -- cuts.
First off the top.
The NSA we find out from the Wall Street Journal contract three quarters of the United States Internet.
Apparently this stuff about can't videos or whatever is not making the cut at three quarters of the Internet.
Can't be surveil and apparently often is by the NSA second in your bus got rundown islamists targeting Christians in Egypt.
Is this starting to look something like ethnic cleansing as Christians not just in Egypt but in Syria across the Middle -- -- targeted by.
I these Islamist groups is they take power -- fight for power serious consequences we will explore that what brown.
Can't do for you -- UPS we find out shedding coverage under the president's health care law telling.
Its workers that they will not be able to provide.
Health insurance have the same kind to their spouses.
It's a big shake -- -- it being unionized company.
For Marco Rubio.
Rubio who is looking to get some of the juice back in his presidential aspirations it would seem is -- -- meet with Mark Zuckerberg.
Who has been courting Republican moderates like Chris Christie.
Rubio is taking a turn and stunning cell -- that Internet is the -- -- five yellow -- stun -- iPhone case.
It is a stun gun as well as an iPhone case and it wolf not incapacitated but certainly -- attacker.
And we will Stein's view today.
Because it's all happening right.
And that is that scene in Cairo.
And as churches burn at the hands is Islamist -- us.
Bent on using the upheaval in the state target Christian that 10% Christian minority.
In that country.
And this is power play and increasing.
-- alarming reports coming in this one today from the New York Times and others about widespread targeting of Christians in.
Egypt as we've heard in the past and Syria they are accused by the islamists are being complicit.
With military junta that is trying to regain and maintain control of that country.
It is our very good fortune to have with that somebody who has.
Spoken and written as loose as wisely.
Measured -- but forcefully.
And all of these subjects which is Juan Williams now Juan is.
Yes political analyst here at Fox News assistance.
He is also a columnist at -- -- -- -- yes true true but he is also and this is actually where I like it best I think what you're doing it work if there's a team thank you very it's very that's a huge check him out.
OK -- You when the New York Times selling sports.
To talk about the plight of Christians in Egypt.
We're getting a sense you know we saw in Syria -- headings.
And we saw the priest killed for trying to defend nuns.
Now we've seen nuns were raided and arrested and paraded in public.
They're being called collaborators with the military.
Americans may rightly be excused.
For wanting to reject.
Paying too much attention for what's going on in the Middle East.
But win Christians are being killed their churches are being burned in -- country with Christian majority that changes.
The dynamics about American interests right.
I think it changes the dynamics because overwhelmingly we're Christian majority here in the United States but speaking to.
Are very personal level as a Christian.
I don't think there's any way that you can ignore the idea that fellow Christians are being persecuted.
As part of an effort by the Muslim Brotherhood.
Around to somehow.
With other Muslims or to exercise some muscle to show that they are able.
To humiliate nuns in this fashion I think it's pretty horrific and again a reminder.
To my mind why it is that the United States has an important.
Self interest in opposing the Muslim brother.
But when people with totalitarian tendencies.
When there is upheaval.
They often use those moments certainly we sought in.
Pre holocaust Germany and you see at other times in history when there is cultural upheaval US scapegoating.
Color groups and you see you're you're seeing scapegoating of Christians in Egypt as the islamists say they're the ones to blame -- now it would be hard not to blame the Coptic Christians in Egypt for B for collaborating with military.
Because the military's been their only protection.
One would expect that they would be working with the military to try to.
If one side is burning your church and the other side is protecting your church it isn't too hard to figure out which side might be better for it.
Right and I think here is -- to my mind it may be exactly what you describe it to my mind as I've been reading about it.
I think they view the Christian Karl takes as surrogates for the United States.
I think that's I think that's a big part of it and so I think what they what they -- doing is they are preying on people that they have at hand.
Because they can't -- the United States they can't touch the military and so they have made the convenient surrogate into the Christian community.
Yeah it's it's it's pretty pretty horrifying stuff you know it's amazing.
Hey cultural cost for their faith perhaps ostracism.
Perhaps those things.
American Christians go to church and hear about.
The sacrifices in physical sacrifices for faith -- early Christians made including in this part of the world in the first two centuries of the Christian faith.
-- alliance of being in prison of being crucified.
Of those things.
It may sound remote it's happening in real time.
The these attacks and -- these the order books are taking place in real time.
Does this increase the pressure on the president we hear John Kerry today.
In hockey -- on praising.
The military for helping to.
Bring democracy back.
Saying he deploy worse.
What is happening in the streets but this still -- him a pleasant note about the military.
The president is not acting to publicly withhold aid.
Does do these attacks increase.
Desire on the part of the administration to bolster the military.
I haven't heard from anybody inside the administration and it is a factor as yet.
But I think as these reports grow and as the Christian Coptic community worldwide and the Christian community in the United States and you know potentially the Pope and others get involved in terms of defending the rights of fellow Christian.
That could be a tremendous tremendous.
Lobby if you will I I I use that very intense all right so let's.
To push the president in that direction let me just say I think that.
It's becoming clear that it while initially everyone is concerned about loss of life and the idea that the military coup took place and that the military here is.
Using a very heavy hand and it was a zero we've got to.
I think there's increasing sense to wait a minute.
Who is where we using this heavy hand against freezing as people who don't believe in democratic institutions.
People who overplayed their hand.
-- -- more seat I was president who who absolutely destabilize the country's economy.
Christians and minorities were to -- at 10% correctly Christians are about 10% you know its its interest thing.
Brett Baer pointed out and he shared it in -- Fox News first note today.
That you start to get the feeling about.
Ethnic cleansing there -- to -- because it's not just Egypt.
And you saw there was a letter that the HP got.
From I can't remember which general but that somebody high in the military command.
American military command -- to a congressman.
Who was asked why aren't we getting involved in Syria and he said there's no good side there that's -- -- because there's -- there's who do you want to win I don't you know can they all lose.
-- really and that you see the same thing in Syria that you get this.
This this feeling that for a vulnerable minority across the Middle East and across North Africa these are dangerous times.
These are very dangerous times and again this to bring us back to Egypt this is why American self interest has to be protected it's not that we're gonna pick one side or another.
But you have to say well where is the best outcome for the United States in terms of our larger goals.
I think Israel is our prime ally there Israel's -- made it very clear.
What their interest is they weren't as stable Egypt and they are willing to support the military -- -- and they -- and I.
I'm not saying oh we must support the Muslim -- what about Saudi Arabia what about Kuwait.
What about United Arab Emirates they've made very clear who they wanna support in this view that this morning in the Wall Street Journal Elliott Abrams our.
Offers a different point of view from our colleague John Bolton.
Bolton says you know we've got to be very clear supporters the military Elliott Abrams says.
You know we don't really have that much leverage and if we exercise the leverage in support of the military you can be.
Possibly supporting the idea that there would be an insurgency that there would be anger builds up over time and it would undermine American interest I don't know it's come to.
If there's one thing we you get the onion headline was Egypt -- in the state of Middle East.
And he -- and it's it's saddening because again this was a country that was flexible work this was the bulwark of stability in the Middle East.
But the Mubarak who's getting out of prison today and believe it's probably having a good laugh eighty federal those who are good.
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Power play -- ago power by going -- thank you very much okay we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back we will get in to.
Our roof we will all be talking about when he sixteen yes yes yes -- -- -- -- in the Astros will now stand for I know it's too early but it's not really too early so we're gonna talk about all this stuff when we come back in pavlik Alan Colmes will be here they will make you smarter too.
The folks into the net in our nation's capital always have low ratings -- Really they don't get things done and that's the Contras was statehouses -- -- nation's capital.
And that's strong inference of the potential presidential run.
Emitted from Scott Walker the Republican governor of Wisconsin on FOX & Friends yesterday and this is power plant welcome back okay.
So Scott -- trying to get a gap shot.
To get in between.
Chris Christie and moderate Republicans and more populist libertarian kinds of Republicans like -- all say I'm not like either of these guys -- -- pragmatic can do kind of heartland governor.
What about that and what about the rest of the presidential states people who -- watching from the right from the left and with keen insight all round.
Katie asked what she is the news editor we're town -- dot com and it is good receiver here as it is always good to be her aunt Katie and I think -- Dynamite Alan Colmes speaking of dynamite is the host of the uncle Joseph yes on radio you should listen to -- Fox News contributor.
And a great friend of this Internet telecast I am and I am very current.
OK good I carry myself -- my head phones again.
-- -- I'll talk occasionally try to fix this I can't because there are over there we will be event and we will begin with you we care feeding about Holmes is very important power play.
So we will begin with you and we will ask you this the start with the Democrats.
Is making no secret of his trips to Iowa -- New Hampshire he's in Iowa today going to New Hampshire next month.
Joseph Biden's people tell the Wall Street Journal.
Hillary's Hillary Joseph Biden can win run or not.
There is starting to feel like some ripple anyway.
To try to pierce Hillary Clinton's invincibility cloak on the democratic side.
Is this POP3 or reality.
High value target of may I'm sorry I had another year I think I really did.
That's tough for -- or reality -- like those choices.
Hillary Clinton is something that anything you want is everybody running beside Hillary Clinton -- there's nobody else.
Right -- these guys are acting like they're Howard -- Acting like yeah -- acting like I think there's a wait and see attitude basically if Hillary decides that she wants to do it I don't imagine that.
The other people are going to be serious because they know that she has a great running leap start.
Although she may be peaking too early but I would suggest that the other people who put them is their hats in the ring are doing so.
If they're probably going to be running for vice president -- perhaps as Joseph Biden did the last time.
Well that's certainly there there is an element that.
-- Joseph Biden is freed up this time to swing a little harder than I don't think he thinks he's going to be -- -- I don't believe anything -- right here for the first three term vice president.
I think that the average Joseph Biden but evident like Martin O'Malley and oh -- primarily -- about president.
Before you -- back.
He looks like -- vice president.
Katie have much questions were you on the Republican side.
There is a lot of space in between.
Chris Christie and Rand Paul.
And that means there's a lot of space for somebody like Scott Walker.
Or somebody to try to recital in and say.
Don't choose between two extremes.
She's somebody who's -- -- -- that he can appeal to populist about a little bit but he can also appeal on national security and other issues more establishment republic.
Well I'm not only got Scott Walker is kind of a fresh new face in the 2016 talks so we've been hearing about him in only -- explain yeah.
But let me.
We heard Chris Christie last time around smoking -- his name is and -- -- presidential ring before hand.
He's an East Coast northeast governor where Scott Walker has more.
Middle of the country kind of feeling any has results and so if he can play both the moderate card and the -- -- so let's not forget when he took on the union's.
Not only did he.
Win reelection but he won his recall battle as well in a state that's typically blue and that was with.
Did the blue state voters but also you had the grassroots activism and very conservative side you're going to was no doubt -- try to support him.
I would get out of their I was there for the recall our players or the recall it was the -- -- the forces.
Grassroots conservatives -- -- marching.
Now I want to ask you -- somebody was trying to reset.
Ally and a little bit.
Is Marco Rubio.
He took guys a beating from the Republican base -- is backing.
Bipartisan immigration legislation in the senate.
He's going to -- meet with Mark Zuckerberg who has been.
Hosting and entertaining.
Different -- big national politicians and his layer at FaceBook.
What do you think is it of this is a move for Rudy.
Well obviously he wanted -- he's also running for president clearly -- Ted Cruz who.
We're announcing his.
Canadian citizenship -- his -- I don't I don't think that's a real birth certificate.
I really want to say the long form I don't think that said I think he's really a phony birth certificate.
Actually born in Saskatoon.
-- attacked her and I -- on Hillary Clinton is actually when he came up with the -- their movements.
I played public haven't conservatives come on right now -- We could further segment yesterday and had already heard all the -- jokes.
Big question is about Marco Rubio -- how EST in terms of the -- how did you get get back on the good foot.
What he does is it becomes.
Very much anti abortion he appeals to the pro -- he comes out and every other issue -- -- the right.
So is issuing immigration doesn't be as much of -- stigma.
When you -- -- all the things he stands for yes to go left right on depending upon the issue so he's got enough of a record to appeal to the hard court.
It's like beating a torpedo zig zags ZUSA.
I never saying never sagging Alan Colmes we thank you for me thanks so much have a great day thanks right now Katie I'll ask -- one last thing before we -- -- -- and this is what I want to know for the Republicans.
Anxiety 2016 anxiety is real and you can feel it when you talk to them that word wasn't the -- -- -- -- and to me this ability that.
You know what we know from history is most politicians.
Think about the last war there thinking about the last election is going to be a new set of challenges only thing I mean it is still early.
It is no carrier Helio generally and there are other people out there -- -- we have had the John case it pre -- yet -- -- haven't had all of this up and we haven't had mid terms because everything between now and mid terms is like pre pre pre pre create.
He gives the mid term election.
-- -- -- You're right but I think that Republicans are -- just -- -- -- yet you're right.
-- notoriety -- -- but I think Republicans are a little bit worried because let's not forget that they had a great year and in terms of 2010 and then they came back and lost in 2012.
And so -- you have all these issues I think that the biggest issue for Republicans who had to figure out -- run against Hillary Clinton as they see parents that is threatening they're struggling with finding the perfect candidate to go up against her.
A lot of different levels.
Aren't -- that she is.
She's quite right no doubt quite right Canada quite you're quite right right right good mutual agreement society there anyways and say there is no dispute you're good -- Okay -- -- -- another good guess is coming doctor.
On national security matters we'll tell us which three quarters of -- Internet the NSA is looking at and what quarter can't they get to we'll talk about this.
And the reality of how much the government can't deceive viewers should deceive you before -- loses the ability to deceive you at all we'll talk about that when we come back -- Not reading about is the government actually abusing.
And you know listening in on people's phone calls -- inappropriately reading people's emails what.
Your curing about is.
That these could be abused.
And that who who came from Barack Obama president of these United States in his August 9 press conference.
And this is apparently -- president was specifically -- there were reports that the government is spying on you know.
And looking issue in an aunt and all of that stuff that we've read today.
Another in the incremental drip drip drip drip -- that we see this one from the Wall Street Journal that the NSA actually can look at three quarters but you I don't know why they can't look at all of -- I assumed that they could.
But what about that and what about.
Wins the government.
It's low but it exists it's still there and it needs to be surmounted.
But here to cement your expectations.
Is James -- he is of course indeed the principal.
Entity behind the web site outside the beltway and is still the Atlantic Council.
-- policy think tank and stuff.
And as the author of a very Smart piece -- national interest called -- -- bodyguard of lies.
Making reference to a famous quote from Winston Churchill that the truth is so valuable in times of war that it always must be protected by a bodyguard of lies.
And you doctor.
These days that's absolutely right I mean you know we had a classic case of you James clapper the Director of National Intelligence -- before.
You know the days Senate Intelligence Committee.
In open session you weathered -- -- was doing this seven he basically.
Says no no no no we're not doing -- that that we work.
But -- -- -- -- to say your enemy is not general -- or classified video conversation and -- breast.
He was that was.
That was more than and Eli -- that was in -- It was it is that a problem is that.
How should do it right I mean it aside from not being asked the question right if you're in open session you -- cameras rolling you could say yeah we're doing it.
-- thus you probably -- him.
Violated a law who were doing a -- top secret program to people who aren't all right -- have it.
You can say eighty million no we're not to end up close -- about to congress not a feud not a good thing about it also an illegal thing or you can -- one of these though can either born nor -- which is basic.
-- in Missouri right.
But it is this is it's difficult though.
To have -- bill Gholston and also reading the journal today he's -- -- works at the Brookings Institution.
Basically says how much transparency is a good thing how much transparency do you really want and I wondered though.
Why not if you're the NSA say we are looking at everything all the time so you people better look out.
I think that's your right I -- just say like oh yeah we see at all don't shoot yeah we got you.
I think every two to tease you about this is.
Yeah well look we're not collecting.
Because what we define collecting means that we're -- a story and a certain way you look.
Yet and they basically don't know what their defense has been lately is well look we've got to have the haystack right you know before you look at me as we have to have been a sex -- that we have to have every bit of information from the man guy and right.
Because who knows what would you that -- -- -- now the good news is they're probably not reading you know monuments.
You know guns that this time residents -- -- it literally you know you want I yeah I don't have hundred on my email via laser but now.
But like -- it's well I think I didn't so much from Amazon this -- that's right because there.
All right so the com where this goes on and there is a conservative president does not himself want to own -- it's very clear when he talks that is -- to be on The Who who front like we don't buy it whatever.
One imagines that certainly by this point George W.
Bush would have come out and said I know you don't like it.
And I don't like it either nobody likes it but you know what you don't like getting blown up by people show.
This is the reality and you got I am certain George W.
Bush would have done this at this point there's a concern among -- hawks that if Obama doesn't do it.
That and you keep getting a drip drip drip that when the backlash does occur these abilities may be may be taken away.
He had you know and you didn't William witness had a really Smart piece bat to outlaw spirit of Murphy's decision today which you've got -- either crossed those jobs so that at new republic.
These basically are -- you know that even -- the NSA is really are our community should really weak defenses but what's really severity sensible program.
And even you know that there really whopping thing is him they probably talked -- -- thousands of these we want this -- loose.
But turns out that do their own internal process as well you know we're doing this by algorithms are hurting us by her room searches and we screwed up with -- fit everyone you know.
-- we search all the stuff isn't a database of you know we want right now reading the emails we've had a minute sort of have it we now so and it's.
Problem is is that do we haven't figured out how to make no law and our practices -- -- -- The realities of of the an Internet right so now you're only allowed -- to do foreign intelligence but you know they have a Gmail account.
And so had -- -- you know what's four and what's not foreign and they've got ways of doing it they're not perfect way.
-- 1953 is Smart talking about golf since he's too much of a good thing.
Maybe we don't need to know all of the intimate details of government operations.
But we must know the perimeter and that's doctor Jay's point.
Precisely which is until you can speak with a clear voice until the government can speak with a clear voice.
This is what we do this is how much we do it these are the parameters and by the way the big thing is getting this in all this is this fights a court looks like a -- As the judges say we think the government's trying to trick us and we think that the government's doing it wrong and we don't have the judicial oversight review in order to dive in and -- do this stuff.
So there are concerns and this sort of crawfish and.
Ends up looking like a bunch of much -- -- This is true.
No I think that's right he -- defies the court is you know I've most accounts do a good job -- that.
They got a path into the inside it's not like they're they're looking over the shoulders of the operator he's come.
Back -- -- he's a former professor he wears whip cool word in the summertime and makes it look right James Joyner read -- and outside the beltway doctor thank you.
And I gotta tell you Internet you better side after Fox News first it will look an awful hard on foxnews.com.
Back slash Fox News first you will like it.
On the hunt Jonathan Hunt is up next and now.
As we like to do every day but work from our French arms.
As if this is a complete and this was suggested.
By one of the -- who was accuse Raymond Waxman Maxwell.
Who said it looks as if a way to protect -- -- Clinton.
Whatever the intent was it surely is a Clinton protection.
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