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-- do you believing get on welfare how does this work.
So full disclosure I was on food stamps when I was in college and profoundly has been on public assistance and he literally go down to the department of social services in your area.
You sit in front of a counselor then you break down your income you're.
You talk about how many people are in the household.
Who in the household is also earning income or also on public assistance so they really look at sort of the full picture of how much money is coming into the home.
And how much you spell -- spend on expenses like food.
Like wind so they take a lot of that into consideration before they.
Whatever calculation they need to sort of breakdown how much they're going to give to you and depending on the -- depending on.
The circumstances whether you are a really pregnant how many young children you have and home.
You may be eligible for multiple.
Programs at the same time.
But David just also to you were saying Basil that he -- while you're calling me and basically Basil was a full time student is his parents had so much money to a to help put -- through college a limited amount of money in so you had to eat so you were people to write.
Go right so -- so personal so yes when I was in college before that my -- there was a period of time when my family was on public assistance but for me when I was in college yes the rule at that time and I think it's changed a little bit since then I'm not that old but I'm a little over.
That as long as you worked a certain number of hours per week I think it was twenty hours per week and my family was not able to contribute a certain amount of money towards -- Income on rent -- that I was eligible for -- for foods.
-- think -- mean look we're not saying that you know everybody who's on welfare it's all bad we're not we're not saying that it's not here for a reason.
But it's therefore eliminated reason is not really like -- Palin in Hawaii -- joining nine dollars and thirteen cents an hour.
Why should I worked for seven dollars and ten cents.
Minimum wage that's -- the point but again we were talking with British show Tony just sort of help us understand because things like you're saying they're -- various.
Avenues and columns people of the book that fall under the welfare program.
He got forbid the women with that your kids you've got the food.
Assistance you have a housing you know -- -- section eight so Hollywood that you can get on multiple programs at one time and that's how you bracket who you know -- sure.
-- numbers that's -- our there -- 126.
What are called temporary assistance programs and again emphasize the word.
Temporary because this battle articulated in the two instances his family has been on assistance it was for a short period of time and that's what it's designed to be into your exact point.
I think we all understand that as Americans and do want to make sure there's a safety net for periods of time.
That American families are struggling can't particularly feed their family -- -- perhaps live in a home.
The problem is when these programs are abused them when they're not monitored and this -- study takes a family a hypothetical American -- by I believe for.
And has been on seven of these 126.
Program so it's not as even.
As the -- -- -- and that this is only a fraction of the amount of temporary assistance out there and this is what it can lead to and that's the fear for people.
Who see these programs as a misery subsidy as something that in instills dependence.
Doesn't get people off them to fulfill their lives on their own as metal has done very well so that's -- I think we have to look at the public policy.
The merit of that these are good programs -- our new one well and are they serving the people who they're designed to help OK so two things one bid to Kato.
It's two very example was hypothetical.
-- once we keep that in mind in the night leads me this who you know is this incident the gridlock that we've seen in Washington mean isn't this kind of problem.
Or potential problem that congress should be focused on the picture programs like this are well run and and and you have the checks and balances and -- Yes and I think the president tried to address this in the 700 million in savings with obamacare which -- knows it's could have.
I should even -- that we're out of -- -- our side.
-- evidently I don't know if I connect I don't know what he did talk about that he did talk about that 700 million in savings that was and most of the other.
-- -- It is all of -- and I haven't used it it.
But he he did make the point that he's trying to use that so that's -- 100 million dollars is for going after abuses of the system.
And I think you're right there are some folks that abuse the system I have to imagine that by and large that it's not.
The broader case and I would also that minimum wage does not.
Equal prevailing wage or living wage that number is actually a lot higher or different to those that which a lot of states now in cities have implemented.
It's of that number per hour is up to 151720.
Dollars an hour which is a lot higher than the number we're talking about.
I fell back in 2009 the government accounting office came off -- about 300.
Billion dollars of waste fraud and abuse in the social welfare programs alone.
And these -- money these -- -- that we're going to benefit people these were cost overruns these were administrative burdens these were redundant cost.
Within the bureaucracy all trying to solve the same problem.
If we just started there.
Not taking the benefits away from people not -- the tax dollars that deserve to go to creating a social safety net.
And we just look at the inefficiency of -- our government run these programs that would be a great first step I think it on the minimum -- look I'm all for some sort of state by state indexing to inflation for minimum wage but to the report that was made earlier by our colleague.
Minimum wage to your -- point is not what people live off of I think the Bureau of Labor Statistics said.
The the only scenario what someone's living off -- always -- -- about 4%.
Of Americans these are by and large.
For young workers entry level job I think when they're -- and their political base there critical to introduce people to the labor force and then be able to grow from that -- -- -- -- -- I had to move however other prevailing wages that addressed.
Let everybody agrees here kind of what we just discussed anything activities and think he's a complete fix it somehow -- hope -- that.
Don't -- -- -- over here I don't know that all -- big minutes.
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