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Let me start.
One with there's RD -- comments about our last panel on -- really get a chance to go back around and they're saying.
To Steve's point that at the beginning and throughout there will it wasn't a sense that trip on Martin was a racial case.
To begin like that.
You know that the whole thing about the tapes being doctored and all of that stuff and and the fact that it was never proven that that he was targeted because.
Of his race in fact.
They never got to -- -- the defense wanted to have to put forth -- it removes actually got that.
-- -- its relationship with the African American community in that particular community.
I'm so my point is is that when you say you.
That they're the reason that these two are completely different is because the race thing.
That wasn't -- -- thing in the eyes of men.
Well it's just not right I mean in fact my argument with it had to do with.
Big media companies like the New York Times that try to enforce a racial vision member they what they called Zimmerman a white Hispanic.
And they were trying intended to this he's been telling CNN has -- white Hispanic art but my point of view is.
That from the start these big media organizations try to fit it into a racial narrative for -- reason.
And it's because they saw it as -- racial story.
They didn't see it -- say as a guy who is a neighborhood watch.
Simply going out and then.
Mistaking this young man who had done nothing wrong purpose for a potential criminal act actor they didn't view it that way they saw it as.
A white person.
Profiling this kid trailing the kid and shooting -- -- I know that that's what they saw my best value the way I didn't investigation by none other reasons that people thought that the federal.
Charge would never commas because the FBI came to the conclusion that it wasn't a racial -- of maturity I think what you're saying what.
Our viewers are saying is.
Factually correct but -- after the fact.
Initially and the reason that this story even came to national attention.
Was that you had people and black radio around the country saying how come no charges been brought against Zimmerman.
In the shooting up this black kid.
And they made it racial right from the start Al Sharpton jumped ten and was leading marches down here and again.
The good -- the matrix was this is about race this is -- Black teenager and then it was that he's the Emmett Till something.
To me as someone who's studied black history find it kind of crazy but this he's the Emmett Till I mean it became a racially charged story.
And I think that lots of people now in this situation and the situation last week with the kids.
Three black kids beating up the white kid on the bus.
Apparently it's a drug thing but.
Again the idea -- white -- are saying hey wait a second why isn't there equal attention paid when a white person is victimized by blacks.
And I think that's what's driving the conversation at this moment yeah I mean you had -- The last early in the day say.
We were board decided to kill somebody three black -- -- white jogger.
Who will hold us identify with this time Allen west of course.
Former congressman Russ Brandon on black he's wrong about the three black kid rock and within reason we point out we were allowed by the court documents has been -- you know.
How do you know.
-- -- -- What what the race is in the breakdown -- 11 kid's mother who's listed in the court documents is.
She came to the cameras in his way -- so.
The point is is that it's.
There are three pictures here on the court documents say they're too black teenagers and one white teenager who shot a white -- baseball player and he's dead.
And they said they were bored.
And they were laughing.
Look I I think the -- one of those involved -- of the women drove the car.
Was way takes away this neat story and people are always trying to look for -- racial stories because there are so inflammatory.
And I think in the -- Martin case here's a tragedy.
Before the trial before you knew about the FBI investigation.
You knew about the fact that there was nothing that Zimmerman said anywhere in the proceedings.
Of that night that would indicate a racial animus you could -- imagine that it was race because you know you didn't know they he knew the out what I -- could fit and the problem is this once the trial was held at -- he's acquitted.
Once you get the FBI and all the other evidence and you know there's no way that there's really any evidence at all that this was racial.
You get the president of the United States stepping out into the into the press room and giving a long discourse on race.
In this situation -- on the day of the verdict quote shortly after the -- When it's not about race and you get Oprah Winfrey you know one of the most important figures cultural in the world.
Using the -- until analogy I believe after the trial so with a father I have.
I can understand misperceptions before they were plausible given American history.
But that once it's over and the evidence is out there you stay on the racial lines I find -- disgraceful and that's what bothers me the most.
To -- there is often there -- some racial element to this case in that one of the kids Twitter feeds and FaceBook.
Pages apparently according to reporting has said I hate white people.
And so there -- some kind of thing here that is developing and we don't have them yet but that's is being reported that there.
While that may end up being a motivating factor and I actually expect that if it is we'll learn about it -- -- reporting exactly like that but I think there's often on a knee jerk.
Response from members of the media and we saw this in in the case have those selective editing of -- Zimmerman words.
Tip to impose.
A racial construct where racial construct may not necessarily.
He and -- are seeing this when I was in journalism school back in in the late 1990s.
I would to journalism school and you -- always had to come up with new story ideas to write your your pieces for years that the pretend magazine or whatever.
And I remember -- hadn't professors say to me.
Take whatever story that you that there might be the end insert a different.
Ethnic group or -- different minority group or you know or women and take you so you know you could say.
He -- high taxes and say how high taxes affect black people how to high taxes affect women how to high taxes affect.
Gays and that in and of itself would be a story and I think that that's how so many journalists think is.
To think in terms of boxes and categories rather than just reporting things -- organically and letting the facts take them where they.
They they will they impose on these stories.
Some of their own construct and often turns out to be false.
One I mean just in the context of the presence laughs oh here's new -- in the beauty whose frequent.
Online participants -- that motivating thing is called racism.
-- and that kid should face the consequences for that.
Again we're still Charles Hughes says Australia is a major ally and should get a -- this comment.
You do want have.
You know a leader of the country.
Coming out and delivering an address about an incident in Oklahoma.
And you know the Australian -- minister -- and has come out and said.
Has our reacted to it.
They can react by the way in terms of race they reacted in terms of our garden -- is sure.
-- NASA should the president comment to the -- United States -- well.
And given that the president of Australia's the president.
Who was someone who is pro gun control might say I understand your concern about guns I mean I don't know I don't know what I heard turn -- -- I think I think that what.
Our I think that what people want here in this situation is for the president.
To be attentive to look shame and the horror of what happened to this young man.
This young man -- I mean there's no way to think that he had any.
Culpability hearing there's any justification for his killings these were some bad kids I'm sure there's no way yet but I mean it if those kids were bored.
-- -- They haven't done that Romo with a car I don't know what they mean you know that you know what this reminds me some -- let's just focus on the race -- inflammatory angle here.
You know it it the whole notion of race.
Hate crime legislation.
Is something that's being pushed heavily in the in the minority community in this country.
You've got to prove it I mean -- you know why is it insufficient in terms of the existing laws always the argument.
And and should there be some additional.
Pay cap penalty because you say I hate that person because of their race.
That's the argument now we're in a situation where you have these kids.
Perpetrate a crime and I think lots of people want to say oh it's because he was -- we don't know of that yet.
But again I think these kids deserve any every every.
-- Katie -- -- writes I'm still struck by reverend Jackson tweeting this sort of thing is quote frowned upon.
Like someone picking their nose in public -- How about some genuine concern does not speak well of him -- the deafening silence on the part of Reverend Al Sharpton.
And other activists.
Who was strange turn of phrase I went and -- When I heard you say and I was rather surprised.
It we sure that he actually to -- school history during the time I'm not -- -- No I just sounds so -- him pushing a -- I'm just wondering because it is so absurd.
A guy -- in the prime of his life for no reason whatsoever.
And we frowned upon this it's -- -- know that if somebody tweets on my account.
I -- -- if that's true or you go I go out and say that wasn't -- well let's assume this really was him.
-- you know what happened last week in the bus situation was after the fact when people say well why isn't Jesse Jackson -- Al Sharpton saying anything about this.
He then tweeted that that's that it was wrong so I think it's good for him -- this sort a reaction then to try to you know be defensive.
But the point I think and the legitimate point is why aren't people.
Especially in the civil rights community.
Proactive about these things why -- they allow.
You know why are they silent when you see crimes perpetrated by black youth and I am not saying this is the drinkers.
It just doesn't fit the boxes -- you were saying earlier.
But I think for -- lots of people who are -- -- if it works well because as we -- San.
One of the kids is all right -- -- more -- -- I don't we don't know not only if it's if it's not only the fact that there's it's a racially mixed group.
But we don't have any evidence that they targeted him because he was like it could have been as in the James -- situation.
A black guy who was drunk with some white guys and -- you know things get out of the neighborhood we don't know part of a gang could -- -- -- than we don't know.
But people are right now leaping to the -- There's some equivalence into the -- -- Martin gates understood but it's been -- his you know Tom well if the races were reversed.
-- was too.
I guess to -- kids in the black kid who shot and killed a black shocker.
Imagine the outrage when I went wait a second now let's not be crazy we live in the United States of America there's -- history here in terms.
Racial violence and overwhelmingly it's racial incidents whites against blacks if you think of everything from lynching to kkk I could go on -- Sure in -- -- I get.
-- -- past -- was trigger point is bright but the most crime if you look at statistics.
For African Americans is black on black crime correct that's my point about what they should be screaming about.
And what they shouldn't be paying attention it's by the way most white people who were killed are killed by white people most black people by blacks.
There's a very small section where it's.
Into racial and relevant in the apparently weren't very sad fabric there at the true.
I agree with you -- that I think here's the problem.
It is looked like like a family like contrived.
It's that but it seems to me the plays -- here.
Is seeing everything through yes restaurants and that's -- they thought that want to -- I I I respect how wise are you against this for many years.
And he's taken a huge amount of -- yet to be honest and truthful about this but it is a poison.
It was a poison in the past when it was active.
Who -- it was legal segregation and worse.
But we've now -- fifteen years into the -- of civil rights.
And we still are -- -- we count by race and everything is by race and then there's an incident in Florida and all of those sentiments race.
And there are people who make a living analysts here and who he had you know their entire.
Career is based on this and that's what's appalling and therefore everything that happens you immediately have to count by race.
But let's be honest I mean there were a lot of people looking at this and immediately jumping in saying.
This is this a perfect example here we know but that you -- are the problematic -- I -- -- jumping.
But I think that's why I think -- that's why I'm making and when I was when I had made the point that I made in in the big show.
I was a mess out of the meaning to -- to correct what want headset and he I think what you -- saying is just doesn't descriptive matter a lot of people.
Treated it treated the trip on Martin case immediately as it is always about race.
Try to superimpose that apple -- and you weren't just we couldn't you weren't saying trip on Martin case was necessarily about race you were spoken about everybody -- it was a misunderstanding.
And I glad.
Had written extensively to say how wrong and what a distortion it was by the -- time and others but I think that's why you've got the comments.
You've got about the way you're spending that was a pretty new issues away.
To make the facts fit the story the story because he was Hispanic Hispanics are minority.
If you count in elections if you count.
In getting into college if you Hispanic pew Hispanic -- it doesn't say white Hispanic.
It's as Hispanic and you get -- -- have an advantage here or there depending on how the school in the admissions senate but all of a sudden.
If it's a case where there's a guy who's the villain.
He all of a sudden he goes from the you know the preferred minority Hispanic he becomes a white Hispanic which is a new construction.
I had not heard before.
As a way to make it fit and that is just part of the points.
All right I want it -- topics -- is I think this is.
Well I do you think he'll blow up -- what do we may learn more about it.
We'll follow it -- tastes and continue to comment on based on that a lot of people are asking about.
The -- we had earlier about.
Persecution that they see is Christians.
In different countries.
At least eight of them and Middle East.
And in Egypt right now it's significant I mean it's not -- sixty churches has been burned in the past two weeks.
This is a very old story that has gotten no attention for decades.
When Lebanon became independent after the second -- The population was about half Christian.
It's now probably on the -- Christians have been driven -- eleven -- systematically.
Years by attacks from Shiites and others and Sunnis in the region.
In Iraq we know what's happened as a result in the last ten years Palestinian.
Have dwindled in number of Bethlehem.
Has been almost -- of Christians of course all the stories for decades have been.
How the Israelis were the ones who push them -- it's the exact opposite in fact it was when the Palestinians under Arafat.
Took control of their own territory after the Oslo accords that the pressure against them Christians began.
And the larger immigration there's just -- in Egypt which have an -- but it's completely ignored because up until now the narrative is also.
They're very nasty zionist colonists who came in and treat the Muslims and the Christian everybody.
-- faces a huge story it's been going on for decades and the second irony is that in the late forty's.
The Jews who were driven out of the same cities.
Baghdad and Damascus they were I think over a 100000 Jews and Asians are almost none now.
Driven out in the same way -- -- attacked.
So most citizens arrested hanged in public.
And the others -- which is exactly what they're trying to do with the cops.
So you you get rid of the Jews and I get rid of the Arabs leave the Christians and this is a result of the rise of it is -- resume.
In the society -- -- to ethnically cleansed they want the great.
You know the one True Religion these -- the extremist.
To be the one that prevails.
And that's what the brotherhood proclaims.
You know you you know you always struck me was this business about marching the nuns.
To the street I mean.
-- are got a dog in this fight I'm a Christian and I just think you know what what they've done now is.
They are persecuting Christians by making Christians in those societies into surrogates.
For American interest and by.
Extension Israeli interest so now.
They feel somehow justified that Christians remember it was the Coptic leader who stood next to -- -- general CC.
More -- was taken out after The Who.
They see him now as a political player and then the politics extends into acts of violence against.
People of Christian faith.
Well to me this is pure ethnic cleansing this is persecution.
And it goes beyond that I mean there remember there were Muslim clerics who were with CC as well what I'm just look up to them please look at I mean.
-- I don't I don't.
Necessarily fault the president for not speaking out about the Oklahoma case here's a place where I think.
We're missing the president's voice -- -- is significant Charles points out that it's been going on for decades but it's certainly.
Increased in recent weeks and months and you can go back -- years beginning the Arab Spring because their hands are so tied by a model.
Egypt policy that he can he's like traps he can't speak out against in the heat -- he wants to speak out against me.
The violence that the military is.
Inflicting on and on people protesters Muslim Brotherhood but it's the military this protecting the Christian churches.
From Muslim Brotherhood or Islamic extremists who are -- -- He says the president the United States has absolutely no idea.
What he's doing in the region he isn't he doesn't have a model policy he has no sound save this ad hoc this this is what is your -- -- I was trying to don't pray and -- trying to debate you don't go to hell we don't have the -- was.
You don't own us and make -- I don't know -- the online with our senior if you don't feel so comfortable in the -- she was she didn't lose tonight hi much.
And I -- I really -- him.
But we need them when Obama first -- Presence.
Anyway -- -- he made the tour to the Muslim world and he is speeches in Cairo and Istanbul and Ankara and Indonesia.
His idea was to deny that this is a war of the terror war having anything to do -- religion and anybody who does -- -- I don't -- that it's a falsity because there's no any.
The Muslim animus among the Christians this is a false narrative so he doesn't allow himself.
Ever speak in religious terms but the whole damn region -- a flame over religion.
Over Sunni and Shiite and Christian and druze and Jew this is it the court with the rise of Islamism.
He comes accord would have been the -- of the.
But he's trying to deny the the central.
Driver of all the chaos that would put -- -- universe that doesn't exist.
That's exactly why doesn't have a policy how can you respond if he says this really isn't about religious wars when it obviously is religious wars.
Let me let me challenge you saw that pretty -- that was a vacuum that was.
-- -- basically behind us and they're trying to kick out of us and our.
Let me challenge you on this point because Egypt and Israel actually have I think.
Mutual interest and I think that's why.
Now obviously most of the egyptians are Arab and Muslim and the Israelis Jewish.
But I think there is some -- -- I think this is more about.
The model Steve was describing with regard to.
We are trying to advance democracy we -- with four Arab Spring we're opposed to watercress.
But when you look at the -- -- crafts now in the rearview mirror you say -- cash in home.
I wonder we still let that guy stay there you know maybe it wasn't so bad.
But bizarre maybe -- -- and owners and way.
It's a little left hander got.
-- bring it costs me.
That's right he's been resting between starts.
You know people said that about bizarre they were partially right.
Louie the sixteenth in retrospect was really bad.
If you would give team -- -- I mean these things.
It is always look at the Iranian revolution think of the entire society through these young people don't mind.
But the days of the -- -- -- these guys to locate these revolutions get hijacked.
And did this revolution -- it was hijacked by these Muslim Brotherhood.
Who had the support of the people in one election.
As a result of being out of power for eighty years and promising them moon for a -- to be a popular figure if you -- an opposition never had to lift a finger.
They're in power for you in the country wants them out and in a way it's a restoration of questions -- situation resolved.
Producing -- around -- the day that that the US can't.
Support the egyptians.
Well Jim last year riots tear left par -- -- back actually to the right have you here on this issue I'm trying to Cabot money that the united stated that we have to tread carefully thought this the day that that.
That Morse who was overthrown in part because.
You know the because of the -- the president handle this at the outset I mean.
We've we have -- we now have this non policy policy this ad hoc decision making by the administration.
Which saw -- first oppose the ouster of Mubarak.
Can quickly enthusiastically embraced the ouster of Mubarak then be initially somewhat wary of the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Then embrace the rise of the modern Muslim Brotherhood.
Then totally cut out any liberal small.
To rise to power two to encourage.
The Egyptian military comes in in what was.
Plainly a -- you can call it whatever you want to pretend it was -- -- what was plainly to what was plainly anti democratic.
And the US government after having sort of -- -- then supportive of democracy before.
Is now going to.
Openly support this dramatically anti democratic.
That's the -- of the military.
Is the only one who's saying they believe in democracy who wants to schedule elections wants to get back on them -- don't forget that -- he was at.
I think you can't know what I had -- look -- look.
Actually I -- they want I have made that point I've made the -- point I was making them more two point.
At the time which the Obama administration wasn't they were not saying this about -- they gave my -- -- I agree with you and I think they sought I think they wanted to try to reach out to more scene tried to influence them and say use your democratically elected this is how we -- made it didn't work.
But I don't think I think they may have come too.
They clearly did not do that.
They didn't try.
To shape his behavior remember -- remember -- F sixteens when he was ripping off the constitution.
Or dissolving the split before they burn out threaten.
To hold back any -- When he was saying yes exactly and be an Islamic -- I think it started you -- -- the inaugural -- -- -- -- He gives a speech and -- in in the middle of the speech he apparently contemporaneously says.
We are going to get the blind -- back we are gonna make the United States give us the blind -- back.
And you hear that it's reported in of course I immediately expect that the Obama administration will make some rather serious public smackdown.
This new guy put him in his place say absolutely not you're not -- its offensive freely even suggest as much.
And -- said nothing they -- nothing and I think Morsi.
Saw that and thought -- gosh I have a pretty free hand here and then he operated that way.
The -- may -- be cautious about -- the voters of the generals I supported.
Then because there are only two sides of this war.
And we don't want the brotherhood.
For a variety of reasons to be awful for the Egyptian people and would be awful for our strategic interest and the in the interest of the last.
And have the good people are allies in the region.
But this can still go into directions.
It could be that the military will do well.
We hope it'll do -- -- to step back in the barracks in time empower civilian government technocrats and over time.
Established institutions and establish some kind of representative.
On the other hand it is possible because we don't know I'm not even sure the military announced that CC would decide.
He's -- king people are carrying these posters a cult of personality becomes a new -- I don't know I'm not even sure anybody knows I don't even know that they have a direction.
But I it's not I will not supporting the military because I think it will necessarily bring them I'm supporting it because it's the only hope right.
If you have the brotherhood you have zero.
If you have the army there's a reasonable hope that it will go in -- direction no end up well.
But we don't know for -- But the problem is relying on -- hope.
At this point.
Because we have so little sway now with what we're here within the region here it's a leadership hate relying on hope to hear him you did say.
We just had no leverage you know -- was almost like he was just.
We get them.
We basically had no leverage because -- We've pissed it away and because they pissed it away I -- but here's the secretary of defense and all defense.
That's crap and saying we have no leverage in Egypt where publicly at that Adam.
Podium will totally predictable remember his confirmation hearings.
Hill but two things the -- quickly warnings.
The Egyptian people support the military.
They do not support the brotherhood no -- split and I think when you say we don't know this which way is going that's true but guess what so far the Egyptian people.
Feel that the legitimate actor here who's protecting their interest is the military I don't think you could talk about the Egyptian people in end.
As a monolith I mean now there are huge divisions in the Egyptian people and their brother latest portable -- -- -- support for the military at this juncture and -- in the US policy -- think it is model I agree.
But it's model in a way that makes you think -- well should we support these guys think it was a -- But gosh it was a cool against an absolutely draconian.
Regime that was these are you know I think the -- -- and ruining the account I'm not saying it was necessarily a bad thing the muscle brother who was thrown out of power that that's terrific time.
Black I think United States after having supported democracy least.
Vocal lead suggested that we were in favor of some kind of democracy has to be very careful about cheering and applauding and -- celebrating.
What was in fact a -- and what could lead to I -- I think we've already seen the military -- why people are saying this may be the end of the answer is -- one less -- And -- checked and you can have final word.
If you're listening to the presence -- remarks in march of 2001.
And then you're listening to the Red Line remarks about Syria -- if they move chemical weapons let alone use them move them.
That there will be consequences.
And then -- look fast forward to today.
Well let's go over quickly the housing Mubarak should probably leave and support the Arab -- the kids in the street.
And the statements again and again about that time.
And now you look -- today and what's not happening and not coming from the White House so anything that does come.
From the white house on this issue if you're in the Middle East.
What do you think.
And I would add to that prevent guys he worries is they will be held accountable we will hunt you down we will find you and we haven't even interviewed him.
There's a -- I wanna know is -- -- to use that -- Twice.
-- -- And yeah you know you heard it it starts -- -- I think points on -- if you didn't say what it was out of the real soon now I did not -- -- -- learned over and let me say I think once I.
Get a ground rules and I was told to write a letter apologies to a viewer who read -- hear him out like politics I I don't know.
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