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You know I I think one of the causes a lot of Americans -- -- a lot of Americans are even confused about -- they don't seem the way off course.
As being a free society don't necessarily want to be followed you wanna be you have to have the right so we've always had of of knowing who's watching you at any time.
I think one of the -- I'll start with also with you lieutenant colonel.
It is the fact it seems like there's a lot of semantics here leg is one person I know works and SA told me Adam we're not recording voice -- so what does that we're recording anybody they're not lying.
But you have metadata you have all these other things that are potentially the same thing right.
Bright spot slowly let me out of your can be completely correct it's a lot of deception by the fact they're using word games they are retaining the information much the information -- retaining.
In some regard especially in the most written Lisa recent reveal showed a big did have an email because they're doing the upstream that downstream technique.
Which to me is is not only not the best way to do it it's just -- -- illegal history problems to report.
First -- getting ahead in this -- and I'm one of those who thinks this program should exist.
But it's not being properly overseeing.
And frankly Keith Alexander shame on him for continuing this game because the more they try to play I got a secret.
And by the way they were directed by the court to release of these doctors -- the -- a court I think is getting tired of getting up a black guy.
By then being being told you know development being told all -- we're being properly overseeing bank secondly.
It's data quality not data quantity the NSA's basic fundamental focus right now is completely opposite of what I as a a member of a team call Able Danger good looking at data quality back in the nice we first -- some of these techniques looking.
And -- Qaeda at third most importantly to the current debate regarding cost.
What was -- twenty billion dollars a year on this and we're not getting a good return our investment so you've got to look at all three through these things -- them -- carefully.
And try to you know we've got to change the way we're doing business.
I'm not saying we shouldn't do -- -- -- wish we can and should do this with a -- oversight with the correct focus with the proper techniques and and we're not doing any right now.
Alex -- -- do you have concerns about the what's been going on with this program and there has been some reports even -- back in 2002 potentially.
A number of emails were accessed during the Olympics in Salt Lake City which of course is not far from -- the new NSA headquarters is is being located.
I certainly I -- I mean I think.
I think colonel -- is exactly right.
We all sort of substantially value privacy and most contacts.
And to find out that the NSA is taking a -- Into a lot of Internet traffic as -- set -- strain.
Before it gets to for example the Google web server.
-- part of the Google mail server.
Is quite troubling however on the flip side we have to realize that a lot of this data is passing through an algorithm.
Sally to -- over at Fort -- isn't necessarily reading your email about how your doctor's visit when it.
So there's a little bit of a privacy issue there.
Right -- outside.
And coming up so -- yes that's true that as you mentioned some -- -- media may not be watching it but they can't that's that's where I think people don't understand here.
Is months later potentially -- and we -- now what would happen with the IRS scandal some of the things out there.
And I -- gonna blame one party or another but there's a potential reality here that one of the parties or someone as a as a rogue individual or maybe not a rogue individual.
Can go back if you end up let's say becoming a spokesperson for a candidate one day and added the other candidate doesn't want you to win.
They can go back and go through stuff years later now.
Would let him why amid -- -- watching it today the fact is it's being tapped without your knowledge -- without your approval.
My understanding of a lot of Powell -- works in terms of the rules is things are very specific about what you were loud and not allowed to target vs collect.
So I believe access this information is fairly well restricted however you can never really defend against the -- insider -- Especially if you don't have access to the data that's going to be housed at the U -- this it's a difficult problem to self.
Lieutenant colonel -- -- that's true you can always defending his throat -- that but if yet the information there it can be -- where the information wasn't there.
That takes away the possibility wrote -- you go after it.
Right I was just talking -- represents -- -- such a brighter a few minutes ago literally about this.
And we did this back in the late nineties -- 2000 before this was even known to the public to exist.
And we had to follow very strict rules for information regarding US citizens was essentially pulled out first and is one of the things troubles me.
Is that -- this is not the first time we've done this to the government.
These guys on the inside know all this they know the rules and yet in some ways it has been.
Them pushing the envelope and not a good way and everything -- -- say -- of the way they're doing it my judgment based on my knowledge.
Is it to making their job far harder.
This is give -- any given day you're going after twelve fission is lucky to go up to pull fish in a -- -- the Atlantic Ocean.
The way to doing this that the data that they're pulling and I think almost.
It's an insurers stay by the fact they can't look even with the best algorithms and I know they use them.
Even with the best algorithms you're not gonna get those -- -- if you're looking at a and at the body of water the side of the Atlantic verses.
Partially head down to the size of something from the small.
Right to return of Tony -- Sitting right next to Alex Smith George senior security researcher at immunity thanks so much guys for joining us of course this is not going away and we'll -- to guess -- got a gonna talk about the NSA and of course.
There's going to be I'm sure more revelations about how and now we.
They were being watched if you will so thanks again you guys for your time I think -- was.
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