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NSA whistle blowers are they traitors or are they heroes are they patriots.
Or are they people who have betrayed the country.
We've got great guys coming down to us by Skype right now Kirk -- -- he's a former senior analysts and business press suspension air that National Security Agency.
And one of the original blow whistle blowers before Edwards -- Thank you very much for joining us.
And I -- and I had to be with delighted.
Your reaction to Edwards mountains revelations.
-- -- shame that we have to be here at this point.
With what all has gone on.
On the other hand he has clearly pointed out.
That the government is undermining the Fourth Amendment right.
Under the constitution.
For the American people.
And so anyway I think that he's provided a public service by disclosing -- information.
Have heard some people have said well if he was really a picture of of his earlier whistle blower had other options he didn't have to go to the Russians they didn't have to go to the media.
He should have gone up to Capitol Hill that there would have -- senators and congressman who would have welcomed with open arms -- revelations that he had.
In your experience -- that worked.
No it would not look when myself what I Bill Bailey at movement.
Blew the whistle on MFA.
We have working with a congressional -- a person that worked.
For the house permanent select committee on intelligence.
I don't know how you can get any closer to congress than that.
She went directly to Porter thought -- ordered this.
And he did nothing he put it back on her lap that go talk to general Mike Hayden who at that time was the director of -- Nothings changed they -- nothing we went through the open available route but let me make this point.
There are no whistle blower protections for those government employees.
That work in the intelligence community.
There are protections for other government employees but not those in the intelligence community and that's what -- pause.
What we have.
What do you think it's that the revelations.
In the summer bird here that not only are these revelations harmful in and of themselves to date information was released.
And even if you make the argument that well and Americans should know about this.
What Edwards Snowden and other whistle blowers have done is reveal her sources and methods.
They've shown the Russians they've -- others how it is that we go about collecting intelligence -- right or wrong.
Do you think they pulled back the -- on that and that that's really harmed American national security.
No I know I do not think it has look even the directors of NSA have publicly made it known.
The MF they needed it transform its World War II base.
It's so cold Cold War based.
Capabilities add to catch up with the digital age if you will the Internet.
I'm Mike Hayden has made -- bones about that.
So what hate what what nobody has shown offensively says.
We're going to the Internet and everybody knows what's on the Internet so actually what we've seen is very little in terms of sensitive and.
-- the say it's just released a statement.
Speaking -- on August release a statement.
Earlier this week I'm speaking to the whole issue and they said we're gonna put this up on the screen -- -- that NSA's signal intelligence mission is centered on defeating former adversaries.
Who -- who -- to harm the country we defend the United States and such threats.
While fiercely working to protect the privacy rights -- US persons it's not either or -- well.
Now you think that they did and -- sort of the conversation or this sort of -- Trotter between freedom and security that we've aired to much on the side of security at the expense of American freedom.
Yeah -- indeed we have.
And by the way I expect -- whatever and as -- -- about it mission that's what it was when I worked there.
Now can things get murky and and and complex because foreigners come to this country yes.
But we know how to deal with that we knew how to deal with it before we left -- -- -- but senior management didn't care about the privacy issue.
They really didn't care -- you need to understand that.
We knew how to do it with software.
So that every person in the world.
-- -- he would you be protected until Fourth Amendment criteria were met probable cause.
We've got as you know their advantage of this form that you and I are talking -- people are sending in their comments to mean for me to ask you.
We have a count -- -- from -- And this person is saying you know you have said that you went there with a legitimate -- you went to congress with your whistle -- concerns.
And you got nowhere -- you got punished if if anything.
Who's to say bad Edwards Snowden didn't go in that direction first before it went to the media before -- went -- -- Do you have any insight into bad Dave Snowden tried a whistle blow through the establish roots or do you look at your example and say whether Danica.
No I I I really don't have any information that he did go to congress.
I do truly believe that he's looked at our history what happened last.
And his reactions -- all of -- were based on those.
Well thank you so much for joining us what that it you know first hand insight into what it's like when you're walking the walk.
Currently -- he's the former senior analysts and business process engineer.
At an -- that's the National Security Agency as are the guys with the spy satellites to listen man on as we now thank.
Just about everything thanks so much for joining us thank --
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