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And to see through.
Change the momentum on the ground.
In order that the use these Free Syrian Army can prevail over time.
That does not mean any of us support having American boots on the but right now it's an unfair fight it's.
Was there -- thousands of Hezbollah fighters weapons coming from Russia.
Friends and Iran.
And basically being -- sponsor.
So we had -- I think -- very productive conversation.
Both senator Graham and I -- -- humans but now that a resolution is going to be before the congress.
Of the United States we want to work.
To make that resolution something that.
Majority of the members of both houses and support.
A rejection of that would vote against that resolution by congress I think would be catastrophic.
Because it would undermine the credibility.
Of the United States of America and the present in the states not arrest warrant that.
But we do want.
Of the goals that over time will degrade.
About terrorists such capabilities.
And upgrade the capabilities.
It's Free Syrian Army and free Syrian government so that they can reverse the momentum on the battlefield that is presently not.
In their favor because they have not received the assistance that they need.
Y el -- decided to receive an abundance.
From his sponsors Russia.
A man finally.
This is a regional conflict this is not a conflict that's confined to just Syria.
Eleven in his destabilize.
Jordan was badly destabilized.
Iraq is turned into.
Breeding place for al-Qaeda.
And Islamic extremists and so we have to understand.
It not only is says.
This conflict spreading but the opinion.
-- wife and their pursuit of nuclear weapons it will be directly affected by.
Our actions in Syria.
-- again we appreciate the president meeting with us to get -- candid exchange.
Of views and -- I think we have found some areas that we can work together but we have a long way to go.
-- -- -- I guess the way I was -- the conversation is.
Is there's a consensus being formed that we need to be -- -- capabilities and upgrade the opposition.
Did it opposition.
The first thing -- suggested -- president is give the opposition a chance to speak directly to the American people.
John the president all belief that Syrians by nature are not al-Qaeda sympathizers.
They're not trying to replace one dictator.
Aside there's been brutal this whole family's been brutal for generations.
Don't have al-Qaeda run the Syria that makes no sense but this time for the Syrian opposition.
The step forward I want a statement from the Syrian opposition that if we get in charges seriously -- help we're gonna renounce chemical weapons and the -- Syria.
There will be no chemical weapons because -- -- turned them over to the international community.
As towards the as studio limited military strike John and I both would like to see a more sustained military effort.
But we understand what the president is that on that issue but it is my hope that even a limited military strike can -- his side's ability.
To project force particularly using chemical weapons but there seems to be emerging from this administration a pretty solid plan to upgrade -- decision.
To get the regional players more involved.
Saudi Arabia Turkey Jordan a lot of the gulf Arab states have been helping quietly now's the time to get out front and be more overt.
When it comes to financing these operations.
The people in the region needed to.
Need to fear they'll -- share of the financial calls so what can I sell to people in South Carolina.
I can't sell another Iraq or Afghanistan.
Because I don't want to I can't sell -- the people of South Carolina that if we don't get Syria right.
Iran surely gonna take the signals that we don't care about beneath the program and it weighs on the president's mind strongly about the signals we -- So we lost -- vote in the congress.
Dealing with a chemical weapons being used in Syria.
What affect would that have on Iran in terms -- -- -- the program most south Carolinians get that point.
So I am hopeful that over the coming days we'll learn more about this strategy -- degrading and upgrading.
And that when the vote comes we can go on the floor the senate and say the administration has a plan apart from they've limited military action.
That will allow us to get where we need to go as a nation which just to deter Iran from beneath the weapons march.
And to stabilize the region force to it.
-- you look -- the opposition.
If that were destroyed relatively certain that the opposition is unique in any kind of positioned to take advantage.
Clearly they could take advantage of it but the question is how much and the fact is that we have not.
Given the arms and equipment to the resistance which has been shameful.
While huge amounts of arms -- flown in from Russia and Iran and now.
Thousands of Hezbollah on the ground.
So but if we have made plan to give -- the arms that they need which I believe this part of an upgrade that we could.
Orchestrated this -- this government could do then it wouldn't matter and expect it but we need to do it.
Frankly it's shameful that we -- -- -- but we should've done it two years if there like it awkwardly.
-- And I think it's fair assessment I think it's fair assessment to say.
We actually we we still have significant concerns.
But we believe that there is you formulation of that strategy to upgrade the capabilities.
Free Syrian Army and to degrade the capabilities.
Of brush aside.
Before this meeting we had not had an indication.
Now -- a question whether that will be put into concrete strategy that we can sell to our colleagues and that we could agree.
Senator repeatedly called on Republicans and Democrats community.
But -- -- this -- very skeptical about about this how important.
Or think that this.
I think they're going to have to work very hard.
Americans are skeptical we've gone for two and a half years without helping these people obviously people -- really after Iraq and Afghanistan.
Americans have to be assured that don't plan will entail American boots on the ground and we totally are ingrained that.
So that they have a selling job to do.
But at the same time I believe that if we can formulate the strategy that I just articulated.
His -- such capability upgrading resistance.
In the long term and I think that.
We have a good chance of succeeding in the vote a lot of mistakes here content -- reject.
If the congress were to reject a resolution like this after the present -- United States has already committed to action.
The consequences would be catastrophic.
In -- the credibility of this country.
With friends and in the allies and adversaries alike.
Would be would be -- it and it would be not only implications for this presidency but for our future -- That's -- the president really has no one to blame in many ways but himself about the lack of public understanding of what's at stake in Syria.
And we talk about the past the president feature.
Two years ago where an opportunity to get -- -- out when there were dozens of al-Qaeda only in Syria.
Now there's thousands a year from now they're going to be tens of thousands.
Two years ago they were not 600000 refugees in Jordan.
Compromising the king of Jordan.
Time is not on our side so we urge the president up his game.
And inform the American people what does it mean at the side wins.
And the opposition -- what does it mean -- aside with the back and backing that the Iranians and the Russians.
Win after we say -- sides got to go.
The Russians and Iranians are all in hot finally see an effort by this administration to counter.
At the end of the day this is a Syrian site but the outcome does not limit itself to Syria.
If we don't get Syria right good luck convincing Iran needs a change in their behavior so we let it be known to the -- that it.
We -- one endless war John and I.
John knows better than anybody war is a terrible thing we will also -- and sustainable.
And Syria is a cancer that's growing in the region and for two years the president has allowed this to become.
Quite frankly at debacle and when it comes to selling the American people what we should do in Syria.
Given the indifference and quite frankly contradictions.
It's going to be a tough sell but it is not too late so Mr.
Clear the air.
Be decisive be firm about why it matters to us as a nation to get Syria right I'm gonna go back -- -- South Carolina and one listen to the people.
But give them what happens if we do not think what happens if we have a weak response of what happens if we get Syria right.
-- and I don't know and we want -- and a week.
Responses almost as bad as doing nothing but -- OK so bottom bottom lines.
It's what you heard today from the presence of vision for the -- program to go out in Friday's game we'll present plan.
I think it's encouraging.
But we have to have concrete plans we have to kind of concrete details and we have to be assured.
That this is a dramatic difference from the last two years.
-- a policy of neglect which is led.
To the deaths of a 100000 people a million refugees.
-- excuse me and -- children refugees.
And a spreading of this conflict could -- I'm satisfied.
I'm lines and no conflict and I am not satisfied timeline of some kind of knowing that no consequence and I'm astounded.
When the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says it doesn't matter anybody who understands warfare knows that -- shares that is moving his assets.
Military assets in the civilian populations and civilians into military areas it's much harder now than it would have if we'd acted initially.
-- -- -- -- Those -- some of the details -- very frankly.
He -- they have not shared with us and probably shouldn't.
But we have been given some reason to believe.
That very serious strikes may take place as opposed.
Cosmetic and I say that may because we now need to see a lot of the details.
For the first time I've got an understanding of what happens today after the smoke clears you know they Israelis don't announce their attacks -- -- -- -- -- -- reason.
You read about it when it's over because that's the best way to affect the outcome militarily.
This is pretty bizarre to -- the -- weeks reconfigure their force but we are where we are.
And a degrading strike limited in scope.
To degrade his chemical weapons delivery systems could have a beneficial it beneficial effect to the battlefield momentum that will never be a political settlement.
In Syria as long as -- when he.
-- tell the president how do you expect anybody go to the negotiating table as long -- -- -- -- and if you believe the Syrians will not accept him.
As part of the new series then yes the -- That are.
Please put it.
Well again you know articulated a strategy and -- which so far has not been there.
It was is simply this statement was that they were gonna have some strikes and specifically.
Categorizing that is not intended.
To achieve regime change I I strongly disagreed with that.
And I believe that.
That if we can degrade and as I mentioned an upgrade.
-- -- I think we have a chance but we need to see that plan would need to see that strategy articulated.
Not so I have to make it clear.
-- they vote against this would be catastrophic and its consequences not only as far as this issues concerned but in the future.
And the president speaks about green and two.
Government order to get congress that -- definitely where where that not a defective.
It might be another.
Well that's a very tough sell whenever you commit American forces you to limited military involvement.
And frankly there is a credibility gap because of the last two years where nothing has happened.
While people have been massacred by the thousands.
As much as more than than a 100000 so there's a credibility gap with some of us.
Who believe that we could have ended this -- two years ago when -- -- there is possibly.
A change in strategy that could bring.
Conclusion to this conflict in Athens -- We can't talk about that.
We can't we can't keep it -- pick -- reiterated catastrophic would be catastrophic.
Flickr out and congress agree with you do that would be catastrophic and -- have.
I think that many of my colleagues in congress.
Have yet to be convinced either way they need to have -- hearings that we're gonna have starting tomorrow.
And the foreign relations committee and they need to be briefed and they need to understand and I'm sure they do the seriousness of this issue.
The -- -- he got -- from our point of view from the Republican morning.
There's a libertarian wing of our party that very much respect that's not gonna get fortress America I just don't think we'll work but having said that.
It is not.
A mystery to me that most members of congress are reluctant to engage.
When it comes to Syria because they don't know what's gonna happen.
They don't have any idea how this military strike so -- -- and focus in nature is going to change things what are they gonna tell people back home.
We shot some missiles and then why.
For the first half.
I see the development of a strategy that will upgrade the opposition as well as the great aside.
That I think if it becomes a reality will -- in the next couple of days that I can believe in my heart -- work and to my colleagues.
If you think the outcome in Syria doesn't matter to the United States.
Can you must really believe the king of Jordan is just somebody else in the mideast.
And if you can't see the connection between Syria and Iran.
Your blind at a time when history needs free to have good -- that.
The connection between Syria and Iran is clear as a -- To disconnect these two would be a huge foreign policy national security mistake and I hope the president.
Above all else we'll make that connection.
They wouldn't it didn't.
I'm not president on -- unrelated the reason it create position.
Well I mean he's military means to -- the opposition.
Believe that it is indeed test it.
But it doesn't let me you really don't.
A weak response is just a -- -- -- a weak response is something that would give us a serious dilemma.
Because that would be also -- stuff.
As everyone else made it clear that president doesn't need -- offers.
That you think it.
-- really good.
Go ahead of the attachments period congress -- -- -- -- much harder for him to go ahead with any military operation that congress has already rejected it.
He had ample precedent in previous presidents.
Republican Democrat for acting without the approval of congress.
And I think I think what -- look like it's about it was.
You'll have to ask the president but.
I think that he found dead with the British.
Voting the way they did and obviously without United Nations.
Approval as long as the Russians and Chinese are there.
Resolution of congress would give him some more.
And by the way again these attacks have to be sustainable.
Sustainable to degrade -- -- assurance capabilities and upgrade.
-- Free Syrian Army capability to bring this conflict to an end.
Bashir aside aside gone he will only leave when the tide of battle turns against.
It depends on me any.
It's harder and harder now because -- this delay.
Bashar Assad is moving its forces around and making it much more difficult.
-- target despite what the chairman of joint chiefs so.
Anyone who knows the military and actions like -- -- said they.
The Israelis and others don't telegraphed their intention.
Days even weeks at a time.
If if if the goal is to have a military strike to degrade the capability -- -- regime to deliver chemical weapons in the future.
That means delivery systems have to be effective.
-- stability to prepare and deliver -- the affected.
If that is done in a robust manner keeping it to the chemical weapons delivery mechanisms.
That we'll have a substantial effect degrading the overall ability of the Asad regime.
You're upgrading the military capability.
The opposition you're upgrading their political cohesion.
And you giving and regional force behind the opposition to these three things together but work but if the goal of this system put it in my lap.
A discussion about what we should go I've been telling you for two years what I thing.
So I welcome the discussion with the president of my colleagues to those who say in the congress serious not our business.
And you really honestly guys don't understand the world in which we live and to the president.
If you don't understand that the American people -- not gonna follow.
I uncertain trumpet now's the time for you to reshape public opinion and world opinion take advantage of it.
Tell us without any hesitation that's the president what does it matter to us as a nation that this war goes on and -- -- I believe the president's capable of doing that has not yet done it.
But he is ready to do it in if he's ready to do that part.
I'm ready to go to my colleagues in the congress and say now it's time for us come together forced to like it's a -- operating off.
Position doesn't mean sporting.
-- -- -- Totally completely 100% confident.
That we know who the Free Syrian Army -- we know what they need there the preponderance force still fighting against Bashar -- Well -- -- and some of these other than al-Qaeda groups are spending their time trying to impose -- -- real there's a definite.
Division between them you know who they are if they had a safe area we would know exactly how to get these weapons to them.
The saudis -- provided weapons they have gotten to the right people and those who say.
That we don't know who the opposition are very I'm not telling the truth and they know the truth or -- -- badly.
Mistaken to put our hard working.
-- I think start tomorrow we're going to have hearings in a hearing in the foreign relations committee that you are.
I -- I'm already talking to a lot of of my colleagues.
But before I can persuade them.
To support this I have to be persuaded.
I'm saying that the president I think made.
It made sense and a lot of things he had to say but we're a long way from.
Of achieving what I think would be.
And most effective strategy finally for those who say we don't care about Syria doesn't matter that's.
I guess Czechoslovakia it didn't matter in the thirties and sedate them and didn't matter and have this India didn't matter in China didn't matter well.
-- -- atrocity and massacre took place in those countries and we paid a horrible price for not paying attention.
To what happened in those countries and we paid a heavy price in World War II we have to pay attention to this region.
And we have to bring Russia side.
-- -- I'm not military equipment.
-- eight contemplated.
That is -- read it yet anyway if that keeps telling me.
Absolutely and the key selling point that must be told the American people over and over there's no American boots on the ground.
They are tired and we area.
You got to tell them no American boots on the ground but you also have to show them -- way forward.
And that so far has not been articulated to the congress or the American people.
I don't -- it in the past.
The great thing.
We'll be that forward.
I absolutely believe that destroyed that.
Well they're they're one in the same.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- The delivery systems others saying -- there's got missiles that delivered conventional weapons as as well as chemical weapons so.
Degrading his capability for.
Chemical weapons would degrade his capability the greatest asset and advantage that Bashar -- has today easier.
He uses it movies logistics around -- -- that moves and -- supplies and arms from Iran and Russia it is what he uses.
To launch air attacks against.
The Free Syrian Army which it predominance in the areas of deciding factor on the battlefield.
You take out -- -- He is a distinct disadvantage.
Okay thanks for America and it.
And for the first.
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