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Up in arms President Obama didn't deliver.
On aid to Syrian rebels -- of Wall Street Journal report today.
Says that the president didn't come through with a promise is -- rebels last year.
Don't worry John McCain says that those Islamist groups will soon be getting bigger better weapons after his conversation with the president.
Next long short left.
Put books in Obama care about that that is -- the longshoreman 40000 strong.
They literally in most cases are leaving the AFL CIO over concerns about the implementation of the president's health law.
Third Pakistan and new worries.
Yeah thanks I guess that's always true.
But here's a reminder from Edwards -- week as reported by the Washington Post.
That the US intelligence community is increasingly concerned.
About the safety and stability of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal just a reminder Pakistan.
It's a little flaky and they have nuclear bombs anyway.
Here's the next one Rand Paul he's on Chris Christie's turf.
He's playing in New Jersey Chris Christie's not at a campaign through the senate nominee there against Cory -- Republican senate nominee there against Cory -- Steve -- again.
-- polls going he thinks the -- in ten years.
And your final buzz cut today.
The worm -- yes that's Dennis Rodman -- in a wedding dress race in a wedding dress he's heading back to North Korea to kick it.
With Kim Jong -- The third generation of the despotic Communist dynasty.
In the hidden.
Kingdome and he says he's not worry about getting US.
Missionaries out of the -- there he's just gonna -- some hoops.
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We have high confidence that Syria.
In an indiscriminate fashion chemical weapons.
That killed thousands of people.
Including over 400 children.
And in direct violation of international Mormeck.
Against using chemical weapons.
That poses a serious national security threat to the United States and to the region.
And as a consequence of sub and Syria needs to be held accountable.
And that was President Obama just moments ago.
Ahead a meeting with congressional leaders.
In this is powered by Anaheim and Chris are all welcome back -- -- welcome back to me Internet.
I am glad to be back and as any special treat for you.
-- the one and a quarter it delicious one hour.
It hawks and doves and all of that good stuff on Syria today.
For now but -- think about that I don't feel like it because that's who we're gonna do anything about that.
A -- so we are gonna talk about that the president's had a meeting with these leaders John Boehner recently just came to the microphone.
And in rather hurried fashion said that he too.
Joins the ranks of others in congress who support the president's call to -- Syria he's he's ahead.
So that's the likelihood of US strike against Syria seems to be growing.
But nothing too speedy.
But will congress really do it.
The war remains unpopular will the United States really get -- what congress really -- you know who knows where at least has.
Probably pretty good idea this is a good idea about things Bob -- He is yes the managing editor of the -- yes that's true.
There's no question about that he's also one of the very few Screen Actors Guild members covering congress faster yesterday this is true very few of my favorite.
Cusack I mean on the web page -- maintain.
About -- -- graphical data about just you know that's my favorite hampers that commercial was nine Atlantic program -- -- it works I mean we may need those later.
Here's the thing.
The Republicans in the house seem a little queasy.
About Syria and now they seem easy in two ways.
-- is those bloody.
John McCain and others who expressed concern here -- Lindsey Graham a special report last night.
Expressed concern that we would not do enough right that we would get in but not blow up enough things right.
-- there are others who were concerned about getting in and all of these are the anti interventionist of sort of the libertarian streak that -- don't get it over there it'll only make things worse.
Including those who sort of thing.
Hezbollah and al-Qaeda are fighting we ought to just let him go yet so is this thing now with Boehner you think it's more likely it's going through.
Yes and needs a good thing for the White House and they got Boehner on their side but but they have so much work to do the -- heading up to Sweden.
Tomorrow night that's a problem I think -- bombings sweep now I don't know I'm -- that is not a no no good.
But that would be news they have to get the votes -- and you look at both the left and the right -- -- -- doesn't -- player here.
-- end its season but what how how far will she go in living up votes because I think there's only.
When you're talking about a Democrat and kindness and you say the president need your support democratic president needs your -- If it's a Medicare bill that it's an immigration bill they'll say yes but it's it's war.
That's different and a lot of liberals I think -- and many members of the Congressional Black Caucus and I think are -- be knows this is no.
This is no sure thing I think is going to be really tough vote in the house and they may not get the votes in the house.
You think so if we -- easier I think how is that it has -- much more.
Much more hawkish than in the house.
Now we heard David Axelrod and we've heard others from Obama -- say.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So much that they will block him on anything even preventing the gassing of innocent children.
It can't be good for the president to be at this point.
Where he is having to fight for something.
You know in the past congresses have been pretty biased and right.
Yeah I mean this is a huge gamble and -- and present Obama loses though is going to be a political embarrassment to them.
And there's going to be bipartisan already is bipartisan opposition -- this this is the world politics now -- used to be where Republicans were.
Yes absolutely let's go go to war in Iraq and and basically I think it was six only six house Republicans who voted no on the Iraq War.
So Iraq is reverberating on this very different situation at the same time people keep -- up a -- They need to make sure that -- intelligence is there any -- regime actually -- -- -- We'll see where it goes from there.
Now what do you think in win there's argument next week for yeah.
So big -- race.
We're basically good question didn't raise a lot of good questions.
It's not like this is is his point is.
If they they've killed a 120000.
People or something it's you.
Why why it would what about the argument that says.
So someone killed by gas there's been a hundred why the president about the -- -- 400 kids were killed within a gas attack what about it.
Tens of thousands that were killed by conventional means what's the difference.
And I think that's that's a good point that.
That certainly members are gonna raise and being -- -- present -- -- -- the White House has had some missteps here I mean he used a red line comment on Democrats -- That was the best choice then they sent to a resolution up to congress so the last couple days that has been similarly.
By both Democrats and now Republicans Democrats strongly criticizing his overly broad so now.
Congress of course is gonna and they want to have an eagle isn't there they want to practice fast breaking news and high -- and how do you tailor it so that you can get.
John McCain and Lindsey Graham to vote yes -- I think they will -- yes just because they know.
They've got to get something through and they know that that predicament the presence and but also.
Some level is getting -- some -- on this.
Well but and and that's sort of -- thing is sort of like.
The offers of budget.
How many Democrats are they gonna have to have to get to school things through -- and then for Democrats.
How many of them are gonna have to hold their nose and vote for use of force that sounds suspiciously like.
What they did would they screamed about when they did a rock.
Remember the FBI weapons of mass destruction he got a -- this dictator and you've got to Ayers who couldn't.
And they're out there and so now for Democrats it's as you say how hard will Pelosi really -- and.
House and -- Pelosi has said throughout the years and obviously a lot of Democrats and Republicans have voted back -- Are not here now but she has repeatedly said that 60%.
Of the house Democratic Caucus voted against Iraq War.
So clear -- -- that that has been something she's and I think that she's gonna have to get some of those votes who voted no on Iraq.
I think another another Democrat to watch is Jim Cliburn number three Democrat.
From South Carolina and now Saddam he's gonna he easily in CBC former chairman of the CBC.
He's going to be have a tall task it is he supports this and decides that he's gonna try to.
Help the -- like Obama more than they did like George W.
Bush justice and justice but just and he's close he said it a time when she came out she says.
That aside -- -- red line using chemical weapons President Obama didn't draw the Red Line humanity did.
But humanity stinks I mean like -- world is is it terrible is that yeah.
Yeah and that's -- -- Bobby Scott a Democrat from Virginia yesterday at his annual picnic said.
There are a lot of atrocities in the world and oh yeah got to watch out for the precedent that dissent that has you know basically making that same point the is you know this that earth is it that was not a bad things happen nasty brutish and short language and -- not a lot of Democrats also -- who -- undecided.
What is the plan afterward we want detailed answers to these questions a lot of questions as speaker Boehner sent in his letter sent to President Obama last week.
CC while I like CNN CC while maybe just start to may call myself that SEC -- may decide -- send the chemical weapons back to Iraq.
Is that where they came from back in 2003 aluminum tubes were gonna have aluminum tubes retrospective.
Big -- 323 -- -- Says the vote tomorrow and down for about about Syria for using guess it's just like everything else Washington does these days too little too late I sense of pessimism -- you don't know.
I don't know if you don't know no one is -- to read your excellence but he says welcome back from vacation I don't know the Internet the eighteenth place that you went.
I would just say that he's in his heart he's really more Jersey shorts and a -- ACC -- definitely -- -- access.
I ever gonna take a quick break but when we come back an hour of power play excellence will roll on.
As we talked to an expert.
And -- pretty cool gunnery sergeant from the United -- -- about what we can really do when it comes to advantages and which revels bit the -- -- al-Qaeda I guess is what we're looking for now Hassan al-Qaeda we'll talk about that when we come back -- stick around.
And those are some of the rebel forces in Syria.
And this is power play.
So old if we're going to help those folks which ones are we going to help.
How can we help them what can we do and win it's complicated I promise.
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Jesse Jane Duff.
She is now Marines don't like the term retired right.
You were always simmering -- there always Marines they never sent the Marines what do we sit and not not and no longer active and -- you could say -- Save target -- and I don't want to get in trouble.
But who served as an active duty marine for twenty years formerly a gunnery sergeant in the United States Marine Corps this -- welcome to.
Dig in and told him thank you for -- All right so you know.
This story today Wall Street Journal story -- in what we never got the arms to them before we said we -- going to arm the rebels in Syria before.
But it's so hard to find out -- the good guys aren't the bad guys aren't in between we didn't get it and and and so John McCain -- and yesterday the president assured him that high tech cutting edge weaponry is on its way.
The question is.
-- in the United States.
Do something to prop up these forces which forces it all seems impossibly complicated.
Yes so he's known since June actually that they've been chemical attacks in so for us to be so lackadaisical.
And no sense of urgency.
Is really sending the message to most of our military that we're not taking this very seriously.
There's no reaction to -- should it happen immediately.
We don't even know who our opposition is like you said we do -- didn't it does have Saudi support but are we going to be supporting the lesser of the two evils.
There has been demonstration of Al qaeda's support also and opposition.
-- in the the administration and others have made no secret ever but they point out this is it a more moderate kind of al-Qaeda just because they carry the al-Qaeda.
Flag doesn't mean that they're strictly -- Qaeda.
Is there but we've also heard that there are factions within rebel -- we've heard -- here.
That their faction within the rebel forces that are.
More like the Muslim Brotherhood even more moderate than -- and that we might be able to prop them up and and help them be installed the president -- says that's not our goal.
-- his his goal is just make a quick strike.
And -- essentially happened now is that the Syrian army has hidden all of their weapons they have bunkered down in -- locations.
And it also has some of their gear -- your equipment in public court are so that they know won't get hit they've had so much preparation for this that would kind of attack that we even talking about.
If it's essentially an attack to just make a statement and for us to quote unquote safe face.
We're not -- -- -- anything we haven't made any solution to remove aside.
And we could stir the hornets -- to a point where I ran decides to attack Israel which state spending will and they could essentially attacks memberships in the Mediterranean so what is our goal here.
Well the and here's breaking news Eric Kantor joins John Boehner and others now.
With this statement I intend to vote to provide the -- and -- -- to the option to use military force in Syria.
But we authorizing language will likely change the underlying reality well not America as compelling national security interest prevent and respond to use weapons of mass destruction.
Is this likely if we were to engage -- air -- -- that lessen the chances that those weapons will be used against us -- our allies we won't.
Be resolving anything I am quite confident the weapons of mass destruction -- be hidden I'm quite confident that anything we're gonna attack is going to only be in a demonstration purposes only.
What we're looking at houses the -- have come around senate only 240 people were killed panicked chemical attack that just was released so now we're looking even a lower number.
What happened today a 100000 people that have been killed in the civil war up until now we had no interest in their deaths.
-- dad is still adapt and against international -- we made no statement up until this point with 14100 dead.
Where is Saddam Hussein -- -- killed over 5001.
Day when he attacked they hit the Kurds.
So we're really not making a statement -- the president had called -- Iraq War is stupid war.
Now we may not even have the correct number of people killed by chemicals the -- weapons of mass destruction.
I don't understand what -- Dennis where's our national security interests here.
You know through this also.
Drivers com and soon it will be available to Internet it'll be on you available to you.
And I talked about so we are hearing from the Defense Department.
Concerns about sequestration.
-- no -- doing this cost estimates run anywhere to.
Several hundred million dollars today to a billion dollars a day.
Shoe bomb Syria to engage in this in this is on top of keep things short of our existing forces stretched out so that we can keep this aircraft carriers and the ships in the gulf.
And -- -- the -- this time.
In in doing this what about what.
Campaign like this does -- our ability to fight other -- That's exactly we have to be it looks like three wars at any given time.
And if -- -- stretching our forces out with these warships that are in the Mediterranean essentially.
Do we don't ask in the ministry minute trade right now waiting and waiting congress isn't gonna reconvenes next week.
So what is just the cost of having these portions that we -- withdrawn one there was a normal exchange that the navy is talking about reduce it down mystery.
So I know from being on active duty this is sending mixed messages not only to the world.
But your military your military doesn't understand what they're the -- four and invested interest for national security.
If this is an emergency.
Congress have been called back.
He may win the votes in the senate he very well -- -- -- Senator McCain and Lindsey Graham seemed to be you know money can't however housing -- -- win with the congress but they're also skeptical.
You know we've been down this path in the past very recently as a matter fact.
The -- -- and I ran war.
How massive chemical weapons and yet we never got engaged with dad so where is our red lines and why do they keep looking.
-- no tax.
Says if anyone -- wondering why Russia and China.
Are against any action in Syria.
Go look at the relationship between Russia and Syria and trying to answer their -- trading partners and -- gave Syria a ton of money for weapons the relationship goes back for decades.
Not only that.
Not only that -- tax.
How about this.
I think still technically maintains a military base naval base they have they -- their porch in the region.
He would like we have ours and Bahrain.
The Russians on the gulf side the Russians have bears on the men's side in Syria it's been a -- strategic import.
To the Russians and to the Soviets before them.
They're not going to just walk away.
It's hard Tesla -- says is the largest naval base outside of the Soviet Union are -- I should say so I'm -- -- Independence Day yesterday yet.
And if we think -- -- and sit on the sidelines where we're ninety minutes that they've already made a statement that they want to show up for a vote for the congress to bring some of their legislators -- say that it's not a chemical attack by the Syrian government.
So we have had a lot of our own officials exit the meeting saying that they're very concerned.
That they don't honestly trust on the Intel we don't have our own Intel this -- -- or an Intel from I gathered.
And then the French just recently released a reduction in numbers to 240.
Jesse James Duff.
She's always dream and you're always welcome here and -- finally.
Exactly there we go thank you sergeant okay Internet.
We're gonna take a quick break but when we come back the -- rolls on.
As we get to talk to Brian Walsh.
About what is going on inside the Republican Party right now he knows where at least can guess we'll talk about that when we come back sister her.
And that is the seeing.
That is a complicated.
About what on earth is in Syria.
-- -- -- sorry I thought it was wrong bat.
These turf that is her friend there.
And you know who is on -- Chris Christie -- Rand -- Welcome back this hour but sorry I get confused there but you know who's not confused.
Brian -- is not confuse good news.
Well we'll see if that's true -- is the former communications director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
And knows about how senate races.
Sometimes you have a senate race that is is not so swanky.
It's not so good.
Steve Monaghan is the Republican nominee to run for senate in New Jersey he's going to get his brains beaten in by Cory Booker.
As -- coasts to acclamation.
Where Booker who came out and embraces.
Online sexual ambiguity and even gets rounds of applause.
The guys -- -- he's died and -- Monaghan is going to be killed right.
It's very OK okay seriously -- I noticed there was really frustrating.
A little attention with the exception -- that.
The national media has paid Cory Booker and his record it came out last week that he hasn't had pierced kittens from fires -- stuff -- it's -- -- -- that he is an imaginary friend that he's been making up on the on the campaign trail called Tebow.
He recounts a story about a drug dealer he befriended.
And and uses that -- some background in terms of Tivo is not real and you wonder -- what else he's making up is.
George Costanza doing its agreement Timonen was he wanted to -- what do they call one day and a nickname form and simply that was.
He wanted to -- TC voted on -- stake.
Exactly what volunteer their services -- -- yeah it's good but Vietnam experience you know the jurors are gonna run and -- you that's what this does it.
All right so it is uphill I should also point out that you are -- now.
Singer -- on cancer that is an -- and hire him.
To do things for you.
Not like console war but to win races and things are gonna -- tips and their protests have myself anyway Rand Paul is gonna go to New Jersey he and Chris Christie -- -- have now a car dash yen level kind of feud going on it's it's out there it's in the open it's highly publicized.
And -- -- and me is making a provocative.
Choice to travel to New Jersey.
Now Chris Christie is not doing much campaigning for Steve Martin and he is not out.
But he does have his own.
Re election that he's focusing on as well OK -- But -- Chris -- let's put it this way he's not distanced himself from the race but nor has he embraced the idea and Christie insiders.
Very quickly once the primary was over this is a special election.
To replace Bob torso right.
And sure enough Frank Lautenberg frank -- -- -- -- and only had like three senators in New Jersey in the past century and sometimes -- together.
The but the replacing Democrat Frank Lautenberg.
And interestingly enough.
Four Christie -- put it out basically the day that they had to specialists and primary there about five blind quotes out there that said we're not going over there.
So this is kind of a slap from hole to Christie right.
Well I gotta say is also really frustrating though that a lot of national conservative groups haven't.
They're engaged as well look at the senate conservatives fund Steve -- should be their poster child candidate that they should be spending money for instead let's.
Senate service on the Club for Growth -- groups -- advocate for a conservative senate candidates.
They're missing in action right now in this race instead you get screen well instead there excusing their money and they're -- they're only here protecting seven.
Senate Republicans answer -- now to help themselves raise money that way.
You know you're hearing they're here either -- pragmatist I mean however conservative durable this is hindered by redacted -- -- wife Christine O'Donnell so it's he's better.
Good times those are those -- good times this so now speaking of what those folks are gonna do.
You notice Lindsey Graham who previously was the hawkish talk of all the hawks and -- him.
On Syria has now adopted a different more reticent tone and he's tweeting and talking about this four Graham.
He faces an interesting moment -- in South Carolina.
There is this the woman used for semi free at last inmates.
Who is -- senate candidate she is should presents wealth.
She's conservative she's the first female graduate from the citadel her dad was commandant of the citadel.
And she looks like she's -- Reagan Lindsey Graham a run for his mind up.
Well look since he's gonna have a few different challengers right now which actually can no longer -- -- and he's -- benefit I -- yeah I typed looting that didn't devote but I'm.
-- look radio -- numbers are good -- what we also saw last cycle some of these primaries tend to develop a little later yeah but he's doing what he -- raising money -- around the state.
Does have a conservative record -- game.
Firmly against Obama care for keystone so I think she's got to -- down.
She's got a -- that all the all the and we should simulate it though these challengers have a bill that when you're taking on an income that's that's an entrenched incumbent they do.
And the same can be said for Mitch McConnell right he's got a challenger.
But he's beaten.
And by the way we're gonna meet Matt -- who is the Republican running against Mitch McConnell -- Kentucky he's going to be in the coming days.
But the four McConnell he's doing the sense that he's -- and he hasn't had very conservative voting record is like day 100%.
TCU voting record.
Absolutely -- he's doing here everything he needs to do.
Look -- that it hasn't really explained he's he's from Connecticut originally cited from Kentucky he hasn't really explained the rationale for his candidacy.
And it's just very frustrating Hillary and having to spend the resources.
In this primary again and not using that against the Democrat which.
Which is where it should be -- sent.
How does when you look at.
This emerging split on serious stuff.
This is uninteresting moment four Republicans.
Do you based on what you know the expectation is that the senate will.
President this authority.
But it is going to be contentious between -- more libertarian new wave Republicans in the old guard right.
It's it's an interest in debating we saw today speaker Boehner and Eric -- has come out from work.
We're giving the president this authorization if they're definitely surreal to be taking place within the Republican Party right now between the libertarians.
And that more traditional.
Republicans because -- -- also.
Our allies are watching this is well Israel is launching is watching us right now so but that's a debate that's gonna.
Not end in the next weeks -- to go on for the next few years to keep him -- also it's Democrats don't want to be doing with this right now either through Maryland drew Mark Pryor.
This -- -- -- ought to be talking about.
And they don't really have any choice president can't let them off the hook on this -- they want a united front when you're bombing people right absolutely it's exist.
-- -- -- I was worried he's big Notre Dame fan and I wasn't sure how this was gonna go but it was a big -- for the Irish on Saturday and furiously taking -- away from me take -- back in the goodness of the states.
Take you're taking it always finds this.
1987 Fiesta Bowl.
I'm never times.
Old feelings die hard to understand better that -- then there's always over here that's OK okay I'm gonna stay presbyterian and mountaineers.
Well I wouldn't go that way that's yet but you can but you do what you have to do I think the thank you ready to die for us today.
When we come back we'll talk to a Florida congressman about the question.
What's gonna happen when the matter of Syria comes up for the house.
It will be interest.
-- -- Gather here in congress stays out of session that massacre.
-- -- Look I've been so disappointed and angry because as you know I've been in Syria I know the Free Syrian Army -- brave people who are being.
Massacred by armed sugar -- and -- here from.
I have from there.
Sponsor Iran and Russia and it's -- fair fight.
Bad was of course Senator John McCain of Arizona disappointed and angry.
As he appeared on FOX & Friends this morning and this is our life.
And welcome back now senator was they are calling for unity bipartisan unity to support.
The president's call for use of force to for American forces to attack.
The Syrian government.
The question now seems to -- Having heard that the house speaker and the majority leader in the house both support the president's call to arms.
Will rank and file Republican support them.
Somebody who knows is Dennis Ross because he is one of them congressman Ross joins us from fox affiliate WT DT there in Tampa.
-- your district congressman.
Yes Chris good afternoon.
-- your district not in your district right.
Correctly I would guess just probably have five miles to the -- west of my district where we are I did I I've been I've been there.
So congressman -- -- It is a beautiful probably a little hot today.
But -- the question congressman is.
Now that your speaker.
In your majority leader both say it's time to get behind the president's call for a strike on Syria.
Will the -- be there in your conference.
I think it'll be tough.
I was there on Sunday and attended the classified briefing I've asked questions.
If the vote will be taken today I would be a no vote not only do I think that the authorization for use of military forces resolution is overly broad.
But also I have yet to be able to understand our compelling national interest that would require us to go in there and furthermore I can't understand.
And I've yet to be given that any idea as to what not only what our strategy -- to -- win but -- -- our strategy to exit as well.
Having those questions out there -- answered at this time leads me to the conclusion that this is not something that we should be doing.
We'll see over the next week how the debate goes but I think it's going to be a difficult vote in the house.
So here's a question for you from Billy.
Will question for the congressman there's your district spoken out concerning Syria or is that an issue.
That's being let -- -- on the politicians alone is this something.
I assume you've done town halls -- -- talking to constituents during the recess -- is this something that your constituents are are are.
I talked to my district director today he's our phones are ringing off the hook.
Against involvement in Syria right now.
I think to -- we as a country I know we as a district are somewhat exhausted from from our from our wars over the last eleven years.
So I I there's not much of an appetite to want to -- win especially when we're doing so any unilateral fashion and we don't have this sport of any of the global community behind us.
So Eric Cantor in his statement.
Endorsing the president's plan here.
Basically echoed the argument we heard similar from the speaker.
The argument that there has -- as a deterrent to the use.
Of weapons of mass destruction of these chemical weapons that there has to be some retribution isn't that.
Amount to a national security concern.
Chris in 199388.
Countries signed the chemical weapons convention all condemning the use of chemical weapons.
There is an international criminal court that has statutes.
Against the use of chemical weapons our president has known.
Everybody has known since march of this year the use of chemical weapons by Bashir assault -- and Syria.
Why have we waited so long now that we go this alone I agree that take into any extension right now continued use of chemical weapons would be a threat to our national security interest it would be a threat to the world's.
Interest why are we not engaging the world why are we not allowing for the UN inspectors to come back.
With their results why are we not reaching out to -- in saying look for all our differences.
For all the bullying that's been going on between our two countries nobody stands to gain we all agreed against -- a chemical weapons we need to impose more sanctions we need you some diplomacy which has yet to be used.
And that result that I come to right now is that this president has drawn so many red lines in the sand that he is now asking congress to help congress save him from himself it.
Right now one of the other concerns I wrote about this today.
Is that you -- a situation where it sequestration.
Reductions in defense spending that were pushed off as part of the last deal.
Some of those some of the what would have fallen on the Pentagon was delay.
Now Democrats say that if Republicans want to offset again.
Scheduled twenty billion dollars in reductions.
That are set to begin on October 1 that there needs to be corresponding increase in spending on domestic programs.
You -- a war on top of that which could run into the tens of billions of dollars it's going to be pretty tough to keep sequestration and place wanna.
Well yeah I didn't vote for sequestration but I'm grateful that we've seen a reduction in our spending as a result sequestration.
The thing that concerns me here -- -- were still well over budget we're still spending more than we're taking him and now we have to ask ourselves.
Who are we going to borrow money from and at what rate in order to fund not only.
But what could be a protracted military exercise but also -- two he's the others on the other side that -- -- see more domestic spending as a result of more defense spending.
This is not a good situation for us to be in right now.
And I think that we have to address this thing very logically.
Very dirt and determine it determinedly.
In the sense that we shouldn't be waiting on.
Congress come back -- if we -- we need to make strike although I do not agree that the president has the authority again I think you should come back to us.
Six months ago.
Engage the congress at that time and now we're acting as we don't normally do in a reactive fashion waiting for the next -- -- here.
Now speaking speaking of crises -- here they're back to domestic matters for a minute.
When you come back next week when congress is back in session.
The work is going to be my -- there is a lot of it has to be done and continuing resolution funding government and its absence since 2007.
A federal budget.
Is due October 1 the president's health -- is the next days goes into effect on October 1 and the Treasury Secretary says the government needs an increase in the borrowing limit.
By the middle of October can all of that get done.
Well I sure can get done my concern can continue.
-- that does the short term continuing resolution is never anybody's best interest I think you run a business how can you run a household -- sixty day.
Budget if you will we need to have at least more foresight that we're gonna do continuing resolution yes I believe that the obamacare law will fall on its own -- that'll take down.
A lot of people with them a lot of businesses a lot of health care providers over the next year but we've got to do something about that.
-- my concern also is that with the debt ceiling.
You know coming up in the middle of October we need to make sure that we're going to do something that allows us to pay our obligations as they become due.
We also have to have something in return that gives us some systemic plan in place to reduce our debt and deficit over time also to reform our tax system by at least simplifying it.
And I think again bringing people to the table on obamacare something that we all want to do some of my Liberal Democrats understand that this is not going to work.
That's gonna have a backlash for them -- when he fourteen at the elections.
So I think that the you'll see a grand bargain being proposed by the middle of October that -- fund the government -- at -- and the good six months.
That may defund or delay obamacare for another year.
And may also provide some -- application -- the tax system.
Now this is an optimistic talk.
We have not we've not heard much of that lately.
What causes you to believe that that the time is right for Sunday on the president's health club.
The Democrats we talked to here say no way that no no change is possible to his long.
Chris I understand that the that the one force that has done more to delay.
The implementation of the president's health care law has been the president.
He understands the complexity of this thing is so deep that people don't understand it therefore he has unilaterally given by way of up by executive order the delay of the mandate for employers we know that that can't.
If he's gonna delay for your look my colleagues on the other side of the aisle don't want to be beat up with this in point fourteen.
I think that there's going to be an effort behind the scenes to want to delay the implementation of obamacare for at least another year.
If they give themselves in the hang their hat on that includes -- -- -- rise in the debt ceiling.
-- gives in some some simplification for tax reform and allows for about funding of the government for at least six months.
You're gonna see a majority of both.
And both chambers come together maybe the bases might not but a majority.
That would that would allow for something like this to happen.
You've been away from Washington too long and it's too.
But all this optimism and bringing people together I think you won't take long when you come back you'll remember what it was like.
You're you're you're probably right Chris but I I understand that warm month we're going to be -- a collection -- election year and nobody wants to show in activities that I wanted to come back.
-- really do something.
I'm going to embrace your optimistic spirit for at least the next eleven minutes congressman we thank you for making time for us today enjoy thank you for what's left of your time back in regular America.
Okay Internet you yours you're gonna stay here with me in and real America in Washington yes it's a fact.
Because then we come back we're going to talk to the experts we're gonna break this down.
And we're gonna talk about the question.
Who exactly are the rebels which -- which it's good.
It's very confusing again but I promise that we have people who are able to clarify this view.
You'll feel smarter you'll feel better equipped to talk about what's ahead that's what you want.
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It is a map that shows the locations.
Different rebel groups government forces etc.
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And welcome back and as we roll on and on into this full hour addition of power let -- get well soon Jonathan Hunt.
And so who are these folks and we have people who know and can help us understand what in the -- may be going on here with me.
In studio three.
It is lieutenant colonel Tony Shaffer.
Who after leaving uniform.
I joined the center for advanced defense studies he's the author of the last line you know more about stuff that is a good good -- to turn -- And please say hello to Christian -- He's a former senior advisor to the US State Department under the Bush Administration he's the author of Smart power between diplomacy and war.
Gentlemen -- -- authors esteemed thinkers no words about such things Christian I wanna start with you and our LA bureau.
And and it's this.
How do we know who the good guys far in this conflict.
-- very tricky question and it's gotten trickier over the two and a half years since the war started.
And frankly it started looking for historical analogy but when I go to is the Spanish civil war.
It's your call proceeded World War II -- started off as you know Franco bad and a collection of liberals and Republicans that censure Republicans and their sense.
But -- quickly became proxy war between essentially fascist Nazis on the one hand and Stalinist Communists on the others.
Wars don't really improved coalitions that much at least not always and in this case.
What you have is this evolution from mainly secular defectors from -- army.
Going up against decide to a much more questionable coalition now that may include -- the certainly includes.
Islam as members of the Muslim Brotherhood in May include some al-Qaeda and other.
Jihadist elements and while these people are more than willing to suggest that we come and solve their problems and take on -- side and I do think there are American interest involved.
They haven't really gotten their own house in order in -- not even coming to the degree that the Libyans did in developing a political.
Entity that could theoretically take power didn't even work that will Libya but the Libyans I would say we're farther along politically.
Then the Syrian coalition.
Colonel -- certainly we've heard the argument that says president's strategy for the Middle East and relates to I guess we we can call it.
Transitional theocracy where you have.
And then there are you in Egypt.
Algeria Libya and other places been since there is no organized political group dissidents.
Because these countries ruled by strong -- dictators that it's up to religious groups religious themed groups 22 midwife democracy so far not so good.
Well I don't think fundamentally theocracy is a path to.
Democracy I don't I don't political scientist I've never seen that actually tried and tried and true especially in the 21 century.
-- like Petersburg Peronist I I think overall theory that we're going with here.
Is one that if we just kind of tweak things on the edge once in awhile things will kind of write themselves eventually maybe theocracy would help.
Stimulate that -- I don't buy that I think anytime you have a situation like this.
You have overlapping political interest and one of the things is notable let me say this recruit for for your guess the other guests in the audience.
If any group which cannot win on its own by the that the their ability to conduct military operations they can't -- So this is part of the problem we think this thing through so if we take on one of these groups we say we take on.
A certain faction groups we help them win if we help them win we have to help -- governor.
So this is one of those little sad ironies as much as I think everybody longs for change -- a bad man yeah the problem is this we're gonna destroy social order.
And one of the things we look at Libya especially Chris is at the moment destroy the social order you have chaos from chaos ensues.
All these little groups having their own agenda going off and always direction so -- No matter what our policy we have to actually I think go about trying sustain what ever social order.
Exists there today because the moment we destroy that.
The chaos will allow us.
Originally we certainly southern Iraq right -- once once you had the implosion of the old order and repressive as it was.
Chaos -- -- ask you.
Yeah the colonel mentions.
Libya there we see the more moderate groups in -- groups that we helped.
Depose Muammar Gaddafi and his government.
Are basically now held hostage by Islamist militias.
That are protecting and you can't see you I'm -- air quotes when I say protecting.
In Syria and this is a much more fraught territory because we're not the only ones interest in propping up a government in Damascus right.
That's right -- much more of a proxy war between.
Well us and Saudi Arabia on the one hand in Iran.
On the other increasingly you do have that dichotomy across the gulf Libya -- a little more complicated it was always tribal even under Qaddafi.
You know I think basically we need to get our head in the games politically ideologically.
The -- guys are the islamists and this is something that not only Obama hasn't been able to bring himself to.
Declare but also John McCain and Lindsey Graham who of course are supporting this war resolution also haven't gotten their heads.
To understand is our opponents and so you have.
You know any instance where OK and -- were supporting more moderate forces actually we really didn't it was all all the ground work was done by the UAE and -- all we were doing this dropping bombs it was helpful to end the war.
But not to influencing political elements on the ground in look at Egypt look at that Syria if we just said the secularist the people who are most likely defected from the military.
Are going to be our allies.
At least the best of the worst and they are the ones who are more likely to lead a successful transition to democracy.
Understanding that that would take perhaps years or decades so.
What we should be going for his Turkey during the Cold War or -- and frankly.
Up until more recently where there's a very strong military -- not trying to jump in bed with the islamists.
The clothes that Hosni Mubarak model which is.
The moderate repression but safe and stable.
And as -- interestingly enough his -- points out we do have a model for that in Turkey Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Did -- a pluralistic modern society out secular.
An authoritarian re -- -- he -- like to deliver real time results for you Internet how western 2000 says I wonder.
And I there's an eyebrow -- -- I wonder if Fox News we'll report on rebels actually being the ones who use a chemical gas.
And you might not believe this answers -- you guys are doing your own show right in here al-Qaeda backed extremists have posted video online of the manufacture chemical weapons demonstrating their use.
There's even a report by independent media independently.
This Saudi Arabia's by the chemical weapons to rebels -- sensible set them -- because they did not use.
-- a year.
Don't know about that I don't know about that it within.
Basically I guess colonel -- say this if -- to the point that you think that our own intelligence agencies are are making it up.
Brand were wave it will wade out a way over the -- well as speaker from Intel the Intel was -- persuasive members of congress are -- yesterday so that tells me all right there.
We don't I think actually have a smoking -- about this -- not everybody agrees a chemical weapons were probably -- we get that.
But we don't have exactly like that the email from a -- his brother saying he's -- So this what we have to take a step back and before -- involve ourselves appreciated the great got to kind of laying out some of the political issues.
This situation longs for a political -- on a military answer.
This is ultimately groups within Syria that have to find their own path forward let me say this -- -- regarding the situation.
When when you look at the different players on this stage right now and we look at the potential path of a favorable outcome.
We have to just decide what that outcome we wish to have as it is it just simply getting -- of -- -- which president said he wants or something deeper.
This is where I think that we have to look at Afghanistan deserve the -- comments this morning is not Afghanistan.
This is exactly Afghanistan the moment you pick a side Chris the other side becomes your adversary we have not really -- sides there's we have to not nor do I think we should.
Let's remember and Afghanistan right now the al-Qaeda network which we used against the Soviets during.
The occupation is an hour and -- so we will be careful that it's hard Christians yeah I mean you got first we're gonna get the last word.
And and that's this question.
Win the United States looks at this what should the -- be in terms of as a colonel points out.
You don't start blowing things up until you know what you want to replace it -- what is the goal if we're gonna start dropping bombs.
But the goal should be case.
-- form of government and whether or not it's a democracy.
Or whether or not it has elections is less important with whether or not there's the rule of law and that there is -- a unity of mosque and state.
So you know frankly -- -- echoing what the colonel said getting more back into the realm of political warfare.
We have a CIA we have -- as we now know.
Thanks delete files fifty billion dollar -- year intelligence community let's lose back to support the rebels who are more secular arm them.
Give them funds -- will be a lot frankly cheaper than even lobbying cruise missiles and they could be a future Syrian government.
You know we say here liberty is not the same as democracy just saying I'm just saying that liberty is not the same as democracy.
You guys are great to make conference today Christian white -- And Tony -- gentlemen we thank you for making time for us thanks -- now you Internet there is one more bag of goodies ahead for you that you will enjoy Ellen Ratner is here we're gonna talk about this.
So Syria has hackers might seriously.
Hackers and they call themselves these Syria electronic.
Army nobody's talking about that -- why.
Ellen Ratner will be here and we'll talk about why nobody's talking about why the Internet is didn't you're getting blow -- up by the Syrian activists.
We'll talk that when we come back -- stick around.
That is what it looked like when this Syrian electronic army hacked.
The Marines had the Marines you -- the Marines didn't like that one little bit and this is power play.
And as long as we're not currently being hacked.
The Syrian electronic army we -- here as we roll on with an hour and probably a little extra.
Of power play excellence for you Internet.
I want to say that.
This is your debut power play appearance Ellen Ratner -- -- I've been understaffed -- Power play is no question you've been out other -- -- -- of platforms but indeed dominant Internet political and now I have not yet yeah Donald is how.
He'll be armed and make sure yeah sure you'd bureau chief -- plus -- -- service from West Virginia Ohio right yeah we're -- real right.
Yes where smoke in the -- he's put on the table.
OK so Ellen Ratner.
Why hasn't why hasn't.
This story that Syrian electronic army I mean people love Internet stories how committed -- and get the coverage there.
I have no idea I'll tell you something -- okay they had to New York Times that was pretty bad.
Then they had one of our government sites wanna our Marines -- still -- marines' site and it's not front page of the newspaper yeah.
How is this some two bit place in Syria can hack this many China or Russia unless -- course getting help from them well.
Why isn't this front page story I have no idea it's beyond.
Is it possible that people.
And I don't mean any object I don't mean anything bad about you Internet.
But is it possible that people have just to lower anxiety level about the Internet there's sort of an assumption that -- -- gaining well in fact.
I actually think that because President Obama has not done anything about the spying.
On the Internet the NSA.
And now we find out about the -- to division of drug enforcement DEA.
Snack division whatever DA enforcement agents yet drug enforcement agency.
And we have now found out about both of those.
I actually think the Democrats may lose the election based on this if you're close Kristine -- yes -- and sixteenth in sixteen.
If you're really respondents -- I didn't -- -- find anybody and I was shocked to learn about right.
Not gonna fly will fly I don't think it'll -- I think of Chris Christie comes in and says.
You know I respect American privacy or somebody does -- in the middle of the road candidate.
I think it's over because this fine in addition of the fact that we can be hacked.
Why isn't the -- has reached front page but the -- This is very very scary because of -- hacked into on the military government side and they connecting to the New York Times.
They can hack in anywhere that's -- and they can start to mess with our electrical grid.
They -- I mean it's very scary and why this isn't getting coverage.
It's beyond -- mortgage rates in the obamacare -- on which is gonna have all that personal data for all those Americans and all that stuff.
That's a little nervous making.
All right so -- I want to ask before we let go just request.
The president seems to be getting support from the leadership on the cereal -- these people people are ready to go.
The rest of the country doesn't seem to like this idea we have like 880% of the country says just don't just write please don't.
Is it that they know some thing that we don't or is it that they understand the political reality different than we do.
Well I think people you know there is crowd sourcing and crowd intelligence and I think people are beginning to understand.
How do you wait two or three weeks.
And -- and still accurately hit the sources it doesn't make a lot of sense in the -- that the news media didn't cover this week in this weekend.
Is Kerry comes out with this very forceful speech now I have to be honest I was in his first fund raiser with Peter Paul and -- -- -- running present an ending it right.
-- -- and how come people aren't saying why did the administration could carry out there and now.
Up Obama's backtracking why -- the media do a little more on either.
Says Ellen Ratner -- -- -- you've been around Internet and but good.
But these gentlemen I give you -- -- Thank you know what -- -- -- everybody -- ever watched election return those kind of mechanic if you -- -- -- -- they know how many votes they are -- Internet thanks for sticking with this for a rollicking tour through some pretty grisly news.
Oh he got a little smarter but we had some fun anyway and now.
As we like to do every day but work from our friend Charles.
Look this isn't a sudden a stroke of constitutional listen this is simply expediency.
And delayed the problem is not that he's not selling new strategy.
So he doesn't have a strategy and that's the reason everybody left right and center has no idea what he's doing he's zigzag left -- right.
He telegraphed he's gonna strike it has nothing because in the congress and -- goes -- and he plays golf.
When he secretary of state had -- given -- speech today before with a remarkable urgency and passion.