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Welcome to another edition special report on line I'm Brett Baer thanks for joining us here on the fox news live page were still trying to get over the kicker.
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-- Steve wanted to Charles sticking around feel free to.
Get us any questions or comments let's start with -- as we can there's -- and talk about.
Brit is it your sense that this congress is going to pass.
This resolution whenever it ends up being in the event.
You know whatever terms of being influenced the -- question you know and it is my sense because when -- -- the station this time.
And the president's credibility is on the line the way it is here now despite what he says about it's not not his credibility that's ridiculous he doesn't -- to decide that.
That's decision's been made and it's been been made by others and it's clearly he's clearly out there.
Presidents tend to prevail in the -- and I think based on that it will but it means I'm and I wouldn't killer would swoon if it failed.
Bill in Kansas says his video poker playing allowed access our online.
Panel that's about John McCain -- was busted playing video poker at the hearing yesterday -- that.
I think it was video poker.
And he says you are actually he -- -- -- bill in Tampa says with no -- in Syria how does Obama expect to secure the WMD's.
From two forces we don't like Steve asked this to Tony like him.
It is a question he said that there is this compact with the rebel opposition forces.
And it can be.
-- -- -- -- environment while we -- for a long way away from peace environment -- -- here.
Those details matter although I will say I think that the Abdul praised the administration from the foresight to include that upfront and its compact having.
In the unlikely event that we ever get to what can the F accurately described as a peace environment they were wise to do that I think -- be -- wise at the same time right now.
To be sending signals to.
Military officials in the Asad regime.
That they won't be given amnesty or otherwise rewarded for helping to secure chemical stocks in the in the event of sort of an explosion of war there.
Tom you know I thought blinking was responsive on that he was responsive on several other things.
Well I thought it was the right question if Republicans says there's this international group that will handle it I just don't have much countenance.
I mean let's get down it's going to involve US special ours well if we're talking about a national security issue.
Well -- more than special -- I think everybody thinks that special ops can get in there and try to do some things but they're not enough to secure.
What is by all accounts the largest chemical and munitions.
Stockpile in the Middle East.
We're in the American special -- arrive on the scene there's going to be a lot of Hebrew in the air these -- you're gonna get there before anybody.
That they are not gonna -- -- message to these become loose -- Syria's a war of all against all of this who knows what's gonna happen of the regime.
Fall season now.
It's become completely fractured there are people who rules different.
Can times in parts of Syria the allies.
The courage sort of semi independence in the north you've got.
The jihadist a lot of other Sunnis so already there's no central authority already a lot of this stuff is is really in jeopardy.
But I think it's I mean I thought I did carry credit when he was asked.
About the boots on the ground he tried to make a loophole.
Saying look you know assuming he didn't say explicitly.
But it was understood to be -- loose chemicals you've got to have boots on the ground.
And I think he is sorry -- my note some gas and then he had to backtrack.
Because one of the senators have very disturbed by that so we'll look forward capital language but I can't believe there's anybody isolationist and -- -- say.
That if you've got to lose stock of chemical weapons out there -- -- Newser to have access that we should not to be because you don't want to boot on the ground.
That's a special op operation of the kind we have done.
Folks throughout our history -- without a declaration of war.
Metadata -- for -- President Obama brings in his campaign staff.
All of that.
If they're referencing all the folks that -- he had done and at the White House earlier this week.
Who was there.
Stephanie Cutter who's now -- float out of administration Peter to come up with some some kind of talk.
Well who knows if it was -- suggested the president come out and say today is not my red line it's not my credibility.
There is nothing about.
Loose moves come as he made today it is inconsistent with the Barack Obama we've known whether David Plouffe Stephanie Cutter already rendered not.
Mean he's perfectly willing to take credit for having everything be is in his achievements and his administration and his military and is this -- is that.
Until it comes to something that's really tough and -- -- popular.
And then of course it becomes not -- it is that's the way he is -- it's not becoming the president.
And -- you know will we may never know who advised him to say that I'm not sure anybody needed to.
You take a listen to senator Rand Paul we referenced his comments -- quick listen to what he said today.
About this action.
I'm not sure I see a good outcome in Syria.
Both sides in Syria I think are unlikely to be allies the United States.
-- is not a friend Israel or the United States but not there on the Islamic rebels I'm afraid the Islamic rebels taking over.
-- be worse for the Christians had worse off for Israel nobody in my status for this not one person has come up to me it's.
Ask our soldiers if you could ask our soldiers are they ready for another deployment next time and Syria.
They'll say not no but hell no America's not ready for another war.
So that is what.
And it is kind of something.
I suspect and Rand Paul doesn't know Jack about the Syrian rebels.
I'm not sure -- Davis knows enough about John McCain has been over there at least thinks he knows.
And he says I'm not a -- lot.
At least that's the testimony of -- who's been there.
But -- you know come in a lot of what he said there it is there and posted there was.
With stuff that you know -- certainly consistently polling and I'm sure it's consistent with cinnamon Kentucky and which military force if you've ever I don't know would be eager for another war.
I mean that's a statement that amounts to nothing.
We've had an expert Elizabeth -- baggy on the show talking about.
The break up of the rebels she's traveled there six times is is heading back -- this week.
And she says there's a split between the radical elements in the north and the moderate elements in the south near Damascus that the US is trying to tap.
The Free Syrian Army.
Clearly though Steve there are bad guys in this mix and we've seen this test and.
And -- Baghdad itself -- we've had we've had jihadist attacks.
From the Syrian opposition in Damascus in the outskirts -- to Max Damascus and have them repeatedly.
So there are bad guys.
-- throughout the opposition in both the north and the south -- heavily concentrated in the north of course here's the problem.
When you ask different people you get vastly different answers to that question and you you.
-- general Dempsey yesterday it was was asked about this.
How many people are in the opposition was that means how many jihadist and he said.
And I can tell -- I'm not gonna -- it and he later sort of from recovered and suggested he might be able to disclose that.
In a closed session but I think that that's something that we should be talking about publicly how what is the opposition what do they look like.
And it reminded me and this will probably get me in trouble with.
Maybe everybody of a trip that I took to Iraq in October of 2003 and my goal on this trip I was there for a week.
Meeting with senior military leaders and and others was to ask everybody I met.
Who are we fighting what's the Scoble who who's the opposition -- former Saddam elements are these jihadist is it some combination.
And I got such completely different answers from different people I've talked to and I think you know -- suggested at the time and I think was later borne out.
That that we didn't know enough at that time are we facing the question that the point where we don't know enough about -- opposition right now.
A lot of questions here one about.
You know children by the thousands killed around the world.
These children who were killed by these chemical weapons.
We are acting -- trying to act in other words.
You know the hundreds of 100000 plus -- been killed already served you know you look at the Congo we look at other places around the world.
Were atrocities happened.
But the chemical weapons is a different ball game.
Well I think it's different brought him on two counts warnings this is the Middle East this is not Africa this has a direct impact on the US and on.
Primary US ally and answer.
Second thing is I find this conversation about chemical weapons sort of baffling.
People say to -- oh well yeah what's the difference between a bullet between the eyes and chemical weapons biological weapons well you know what.
Chemical biological weapons rapidly disperse they kill everything and every one.
And they give you the most.
Heinous type of suffering before -- I -- this is not to be played with there's a reason there is an international.
Convention against the use of this type.
But to come back to the heart and soul of it it's about vital US interest right now.
And you know all the conversation about well can we trust the rebels -- the rebels on our side or not Vladimir Putin says carries lying about them that in fact.
It's the primary opposition as a unit of al-Qaeda.
Tell me the primary opposition is -- run.
And I think when people lose sight of that and lose sight of the idea that we might signal weakness to Iran that Aaliyah.
Aside got away with the use of these chemical weapons you might get away with the use of them and you might then.
Think it's OK to go on in terms of your nuclear ambitions that to me is a huge.
American vital interest to say no to Iraq.
Russia is saying that they're sending a delegation.
To meet with congressional leaders on Capitol Hill.
Next week we don't know the exact time but it will be next week we are planning to visit we will tell our side of the serious story.
I'm not sure it's gonna have a big effect on the congress -- The people who elected in the Russian congress or whatever it's called.
Not exactly the equivalent of the British parliament or.
Hours there and -- -- to one party state the election generated so far so I'm not -- be taken seriously.
But if I could just make a point about what -- post it.
He says you know among the revelers are bad guys as if he's he's now discovered the real problem that we've never had.
In war in the Second World War.
We were allies of the second worst man on the planet.
Starlet who killed and tens of millions of people without batting an eyelash we gave them the material and support.
Enlist support knowing who he was -- knowing.
There we had to choose the lesser of two weevils and we inherited his evil after the Second World War.
And spent half a century.
Opposing -- so this is not new.
You -- you you have to differentiate among your allies in your enemies and make a choice and second.
In this particular case would Visio parties it is as if it hasn't happened hero you talked about the experience in Iraq will these guys that Jihad these.
In Syria or an -- and sort of an ally.
-- GI's who were in Iraq and look what happened in Iraq.
They ended up taking over and bar and the people in -- was so revolted.
By this kind of primitive.
It is and and these were foreigners -- -- -- -- -- for Afghanistan.
Chechnya and it was the -- -- Sunnis who hated America because it had over thrown.
The Sunni dominated regime of those Saddam.
Who didn't like infidels who joined with us in defeating in -- and really.
Almost destroying al-Qaeda in Iraq.
The idea that these foreigners.
Who are of have these habits he was their language and -- which are not serious.
I -- -- take over and dominate.
A second -- sophisticated society like Syria.
You know because they are now -- -- said newseum on the rebels I think is rather unlikely it's not impossible.
But I can't see Chechens and Afghans running Syria out of Damascus.
So even know -- we -- will be a mess if I said is -- The idea that some of the GI these are determined they're strong they're experienced.
Are gonna wind and -- Syria I think is not that likely.
Well -- is that they -- -- a lot against the Iraq Iran is unquestionably in but for the United States.
Which is exactly direction now is Charles suggested that we had from from making common cause we'll start.
Was that he was our enemy's enemy and therefore for the time being and our friend.
This is just this kind of thing has a long history.
And and in the end it's what think sometimes it's a decision you have to make.
Probably just be clear on oxygen -- -- may have been suggesting that that these jihadist.
Are likely or or even possibly would take over -- I'm not making that's indefinite but at the same time.
I do think we need to know we're fight -- I -- we -- we have no idea I mean at least we don't know.
They wouldn't testify publicly by Manhattan today in -- part of the testimony that I missed they wouldn't testify publicly they wouldn't give any kind of a description.
I mean there's not happen.
The opposition of where they estimate.
That the split is in the north and south and into the green areas in the dark green areas are supposedly these extremist groups but as you mentioned the force -- them they're kind of throughout the country.
And the problem is I mean it has -- there's a varies from interest in.
Debate taking place.
Is it partially in public but a lot of it in private about exactly the strength and how the evolution of these jihadist -- we've talked at some point here.
On the panel about.
How the jihadist came to align themselves with the Free Syrian Army and why the Free Syrian Army generals of necessity because they were fighting.
Battles on a day to day -- chief objective was survival why these otherwise secular and small.
With the jihadist who brought with them fighting experience guns in many cases money.
And make commingled.
The question is Elizabeth -- mention this TV -- -- when you talk to her.
She believes that they have separated since and it's a case that's similar to the one that John Kerry it has made -- she made it better.
You talk to other people who are familiar with the latest intelligence coming out of Syria and they don't think so they don't believe so at all and there's public source reporting.
I'm from these -- -- groups themselves in many cases that suggest exactly the opposite -- mean you have the news for fraud and affiliated groups.
Posting on their FaceBook page videos of attacks that they if launched in Damascus for instance so that suggestion.
That they're not operating there I think is is unlikely to be true.
Based on those social media postings and other intelligence coming and.
We're just reported by the way that the -- coming back Friday.
To start work on the resolution stormed the vote process.
Just can network from our producers -- -- You wonder.
Now as you can take on the -- and ended an emotionally.
Let leak over into next week.
The house and wait before prepares an excellent resolution on -- system to drag -- and this is remarkable.
A machine like this president.
Who seemed on the verge of action and pulls back this way and allows the clock to run them.
-- and one of the most striking statements today I thought was from former senator -- here.
Who was saying essentially as a Democrat.
This is crazy we're dithering and -- -- his words did the room for another week what happens in the element of surprise.
I don't understand why is that tactic and off the table -- that was our response.
On the day.
That we heard Obama speech.
It was him I mean everybody.
I can't think of one person who was not absolutely stunned I would include -- that John Kerry who.
Learned about -- early.
But imagine he's a guy goes out he uses impassioned speech you know the fate of the world international norm.
The national decency hinges on reaction.
Really stand -- history will judge -- -- a terrible way if we don't stand then.
The boss comes -- loses oh by the way you know we're gonna gonna hold off on this for a couple of weeks and the in the region people were stunned the Syrians were gleeful.
They were mocking the president the Israelis in the gulf Arabs.
We just astonished at the president would sort of stop the clock.
And know our recess to go -- I mean I wanted him to call back congress he'd never even occurred to me.
That if he did as he should have it would've been an emergency call back with a two -- debate a resolution of some sort.
Katie does rights there used to be an old military -- saying loose lips sink ships.
One in the world are we publicly communicating about our intention is to our enemies and giving them -- time to move weapons.
And other things into civilian populated areas it feels like quote.
Hey we intend on bombing your country -- Tuesday after next war.
For you -- Kate -- it's I just think I'm a -- I hear this everywhere I go but I mean the reality is.
That the United States has the capacity in the missiles to literally pick targets shift targets in mid flight.
And sometimes they gonna do so if it.
These are actually very surprised that they know they can't move their central intelligence a number they can certainly move they control removed from a military targets and nobody can't move it to the -- we can't -- that's why they haven't -- -- -- -- things -- -- to wipe -- much is a much civilians -- -- no guarantee attack he could put civilians in place and I could complicate what I'm saying the reason that Martin Dempsey the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Told the president and testified that the -- doesn't make a different web video there's no leaks were hurting.
Well yeah but -- that basically the timing is not of essence here too doesn't did late that would -- -- of the military meticulously -- I disagree on something announced that his credibility.
-- -- -- and press yes he did he astonishingly.
Correct of the president he was asked about that and the president had said.
Which was completely untrue I mean about the fact is not affect Dempsey said it makes no difference that's of the president said.
-- -- -- -- and then she said no he didn't use the word no.
But he said let me explain what I said to the president which was at our posture.
And our ability to deliver the weaponry is unchanged.
Well of course we we have the tomahawks.
A tomahawk is not gonna do -- in three weeks.
But the implication was very obvious the president was misleading the country.
In saying I said it makes no difference because of child would tell you.
That if the other guy has some time.
He would move those scud missiles which are our meals.
Into schools and hospitals and into the Russian naval base and then we can't touch that so it was a I thought it was an amazing.
Moment of the military.
Contradicting the commander in chief.
Peter from Texas from the perspective of US interests.
What is the best outcome in Syria we can hopeful.
Well I think right now everybody's hope is in the White House is hoping that they can -- -- To the point where he's willing to negotiate with the rebels that's their goal.
-- -- That's sort of -- -- -- -- and what's more ambitious goal the president is now that's what preferences -- goal that's what the president's I don't know what the president had the president.
The president has said publicly.
This is very limited it has the sole purpose he has said of punishing aside for the use of chemical weapons and making it more difficult for him to use those weapons again.
Right but part of that bridge is degrading aside its military ability in general.
And forcing him to the bargaining table with the level salaam yesterday that the president well I think that's -- -- English -- about that -- -- are -- going to -- an Oval -- -- from this president -- this just -- have to -- It has to be recognizing that we keep saying what he's gonna have to be the guy keeps on doing things we never heard of and it's so we'll probably exactly wrong you know -- -- Wesley we brought this that the news that you read an article that say -- that was now all access pass say I was well aware of senior administration.
If Hillary Clinton centuries.
-- sorry I -- -- if he in fact decides to it to move.
There's no question that he'll have to give some kind of a major speech maybe an Oval Office address he I don't know -- office address for the BP oil spill.
Yeah I remember given he's total -- for -- -- the handles.
So if you're not a tomahawk missiles.
Probably and I'm not convinced that we -- necessarily looking at.
A military strike here I have a different view -- Britain does on the way that that congress is going to I think it probably does pass the senate.
I think it's highly unlikely that passes.
The house now I have been around.
And long you've seen you've seen this and I happier -- I wouldn't killer was a good thing I'm not going to I talked to two leadership aide today who said that the over the field I think what what what about the over under of 175 this person took the under.
-- 175 votes for.
Authorization of reason I think Iran releases of course against if you're a Democrat and you and I think you have to go with the -- Because it's the end of his presidency if you care about immigration reform you -- amount of about Obama care I mean this president will be completely emasculated.
There's another person there.
Which is so in both -- House spokesman presences.
Sought confrontation with congress I like myself I know I'm I'm really senate and -- -- it.
And and and and a -- city has the authority to do have.
Listen to the president today asked if he was going to go forward even if congress says -- So he's used them as commander in chief.
I always preserve the right.
And the responsibility.
To act on behalf of America's national security.
I do not believe that I was required to take this to congress.
But I did not take this to congress just because he meant to exercise I think it's important to have congress to support up.
Look at me.
They'll do the very cynical view is that the president who has now.
Talked about acting for 22 plus years hasn't acted for two plus years.
Took -- to congress with the idea that it would go down that they would constrain his actions and that sounds insane that sounds crazy especially after seeing what happened David Cameron.
Overseas over the Atlantic but.
If the president doesn't wanna act the president doesn't -- -- act in this gives him away just to say these Republicans wouldn't let me do what I wanted to do on behalf of and did you just -- you think the president took this the congress to have a congress that you get so he wouldn't -- there's a very -- cynical view that suggests that neither did exactly that.
The one there is something about watching the British parliament vote.
-- a prime minister -- down.
And then saying.
I'd like some of that over here in the US you know I mean look the thing is so good about that.
Watch it and now but that it thought processes.
What you're doing some of the antitrust act yeah and I -- comeuppance and.
Yes and open a can look pass on me but I'm just saying that what you got here is the president I think being.
Overwhelmed by the polls.
The American polls have to forget the -- changed and yet they have occasion factor today was more opposition including the person let's -- who say there's no reason for us to do this.
Why -- getting involved in -- madness the we're just gonna get stuck again and -- war weary.
There's never been movement in the country for intervention in Syria to -- slightest degree that's what I'm saying what -- -- use it got a little smile and -- -- have improved since about a week ago for contrast think of this.
To the late eighties George H.
Bush is president.
And Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait.
A country that I would say great many Americans possibly the majority had never heard -- and those who see it throughout -- a lot of a lot of people hated it was ruled by go -- royal family rich beyond the dreams of man.
It's this deserted desert place that has -- And suddenly the president the United States is so spun up about this that after a few days of -- trading against -- -- comes -- says this will not stand.
I'm -- covering -- at the time I was astounded to hear him say that the news of -- any war fever.
That in which this nation and he had in the -- this nation in the aftermath of Vietnam was still strong.
By the time he took us to war.
The majority was -- because of one thing.
And he did it the way he did almost nothing else -- -- -- he led on this he led with determination he asked for congress' support but he never said he had had it.
It was nine people in -- -- we'll not only that amended the congressional debate on that was disgraceful.
The UN had already east authorize this -- -- -- first.
In that case and finally the work against the objections of the great Sam Nunn and -- statesman.
They finally pass a resolution he went and it was clear he was going anyway the bullet was already well underway and of course it was a you know very quick military success.
Vote in the senate it was very close yes 52 -- 47.
And one of the reasons Al Gore was given the vice presidency.
Is because he was among a very small number of Democrats who right and because of that because the war was a success.
I mean they gave him a -- of street -- That was this prison.
Has -- hesitating at the last minute.
His reluctance to be drawn into this from the story there's this war being.
And mean -- for three years of atrocities committed short of poison gas until.
The contrast is really striking.
Kind of circumstances in terms of the politics of war at that time are not that -- And I mean one point about.
Equivalent of that which I think is even more reprehensible.
Obama comes in office -- -- it was a number of troops in Afghanistan.
He -- is just like he did here for nine months.
I hymns and causing -- thought he does that.
And those who -- draw -- the same time he has not given one speech on Afghanistan in that way for years spent.
-- we have lost twice as many Americans.
Dead in Afghanistan.
Under a -- and on the bush press will never talk about this this is a war he never really wanted to.
He did believing.
He goes and now of course is excuses were mentally because you know who in public opinion wants to support the war in Afghanistan.
But unlike bush the senior bush who realize if you wanna go to war -- -- to sustain a war you we have to lead you have to show you have to talk you have to get.
Coalition -- in the -- as he did really brilliantly with the UN Obama simply walked away.
Public opinion dissolves committees is okay the war's over I'm taking about and there are a lot of dead Americans in Afghanistan we didn't have to die.
You're what you're missing that now since we are still in the aftermath.
The bitter taste of going into Iraq.
Who allegedly on the basis that having found weapons of mass destruction in Colin Powell and his -- from the united nation in the world audience.
And Americans feel like we got -- we got taken then people got killed -- our -- got wasted and then we got into some terrible waters.
Yes in Afghanistan and then -- -- surge troops in there.
Turned the whole situation around -- turning around for a number of victorious situation to -- president who -- now thrown away.
Don't tell turned OUV do you mean our president of their -- don't -- there a situation with there increasing sectarian violence.
You we you can't be making the case that we should be in their policing their fighting to -- Qaeda where you are not needed in Iraq it was decimated.
There was nothing left of it and it was the Anbar Sunni Arabs themselves.
Who had no love lost for our kids do more -- here.
Yeah am I why clay says isn't the Powell doctrine the use of overwhelming forces criteria for engagement.
And if you break it you -- you own it being ignored by President Obama.
Was -- President Clinton to please -- Kosovo.
And he did all their power there wasn't it wasn't the kind of overwhelming force of -- Colin -- -- and he did it successfully.
Wes Clark with whom I've.
Disagreed a number of times -- a number of things.
A wrote a book about this -- in which he described the need in this current world with the kind of conflicts we have.
To think that need to fight it time's limited war for limited objectives this is all country -- And my sense is that the pal doctrine really at this stage of the game is a dead letter and maybe we ought to be revived but it's been a dead letter for some time.
-- last thing senator Reid says.
Cloture petition is filed passed -- over for two days.
So then -- Friday they're coming back to debate.
And then it could be Monday.
For final vote.
All right yep and that battle is anybody's had a filibuster this listen I don't know -- -- he he says today's wasn't -- -- matter our going to does not going to.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Right Nancy so great to -- if he doesn't anyway doesn't it -- -- so there's nobody who pushed for -- reason -- nostra nobody's official looking.
Well then it'll pass easily in the senate.
-- pass easily in the senate not house.
No I think it passes and us and I think Democrats in a large majority Republicans.
Probably a minority Republicans who -- -- while.
Passes in the senate and I think it's gets closer -- but ultimately comes down to people who feel.
They can't weaken the president.
-- probably pass in the senate but I think going to be a reasonably close vote.
I think it loses badly in the House of Representatives.
Assuming that John Boehner actually brings it up for a vote which I believe.
He will if you will if it passes the senate.
-- and big question is what.
President I don't think Boehner consider what he -- of refused entry to vote.
-- care are out there alone on this -- gonna catch -- for the Tea Party elements within the party.
-- people will take a walk on the question is whether it be a number of enough of a vote a little about cadre.
Republicans to go over folks at all democratic or a democratic loyalists are gonna that was won't be terribly many.
And carried us an idea that all the way things going to be on the democratic health care they'll be -- -- I don't -- they'll be perhaps it will be -- A country today.
One more thing -- speaker John Boehner has turned down the request by Russia's parliamentarians to meet.
He says -- things.
They're good he stands -- for America like -- That is it for a special online show thank you all for being here thanks for being here are we do every Wednesday at 7 o'clock.
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