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Now you have written an article and opinion piece about the long term strategy needed to and the war in Syria.
And you've had -- kind of an interesting take what do you think we ought to do with Syria and what are the long term ramifications.
Well thanks for having me iron than for the nice words but first in the short term I support the president.
And I think congress should vote to give him authority for the limited strike because whatever else happens in this conflict.
I think the president has correctly ascertain that there is an important threshold that president's side crossed.
On August 21 and whether you agree with the president's broader handling of the war or not and I have my dissent from aspects of it.
I think in so far as it goes a response is a Smart idea.
Jennifer did a great interview with you and underscored all the things that Hezbollah and Iran.
Might do to -- I think we have to understand there are involved in a psychological campaign right now to try to convince the congress to vote no.
And let's not forget -- -- things we can do to aside if if he escalates or his proxies escalate.
Against us we have all sorts of airpower.
Measures that we can use that are more muscular than what's apparently being -- so I think that's.
-- really important thing to put on the table if I could just begin with that point you know as to.
The broader strategy that I like to see -- follow for the civil war in Syria writ large.
I think we need to its gonna take your -- get to a successful outcome in my opinion.
And we're gonna probably need to have something that looks like the Bosnia model where you have a peace deal and probably autonomous regions for different ethnic groups.
Yes some kind of international peace implementation force on the ground.
After that peace deal is negotiated.
In order to help patrol cease fire lines between the different groups and some of those forces I believe we'll have to be American.
That's gonna make a lot of people unhappy or just to me out to even hear it.
I'm not suggesting we do at any time soon I'm not suggesting we ever do it by ourselves and it would require a peace deal.
But once you lay out that kind of a strategy that I think you can debate.
-- arm the rebels how if anything do you do do you do more supportive things for them down the road if necessary.
Everything is in a broader strategy a broader context that so far has been lack.
I'm Michael what you said is that your initially in favor of the resolution to superb president of Iran and Syria what happens if the goals of this resolution on the -- of any US or an attack would be to deterrent to degrade.
There were making abilities what what happens if they are not deterred -- -- -- -- around that maybe there would be an escalation we could meet that escalation.
That is about the very thing that the majority the American people are worried about the we have mission creep that before we know -- -- third war in the Middle East Michael.
Yes you're right I think explain that that is what Americans worry about.
I would simply submit that a failed Syria.
With al-Qaeda affiliated groups getting big sanctuaries in the heart of the Middle East is also something American should be wary about and that's what's happening.
And so I think what we have to recognize is that our hands off policy is not producing security for the United States either.
And after a dozen years at war in the broader -- and Americans are understandably tired.
Of these kinds of operations on simply suggesting.
That without some kind of of a plan to try to stabilize Syria it could become the next Somalia.
And it could have pockets of insecurity and instability where the worst terrorist groups in the world.
Having new opportunity to strike -- countries like Jordan and Israel and even yes the United States potentially as a kind of -- we didn't want them to have.
Or Iraq and I think they could be obtaining those now in Syria.
It doesn't mean we have to go in with a 100000 GI's nobody wants that nobody supports that I don't either.
But I think to look down the road to a way in which you could bring together a a broader coalition inside Syria.
And probably have some international forces to help them help implement and that may be necessary.
If we're going to avoid even more dangerous.
-- cups and one final question Michael wording think Russia is -- -- they've not been willing to go along with the UN resolution.
Do you think that their position a softening.
Well I think -- -- the -- -- enjoys watching us have trouble.
Enjoys watching even someone like President Obama with his emphasis on multilateralism.
Basically not getting a lot of international support having great difficulties at home.
Having his preferred side in the war not do very well on the battlefield for the last twelve months.
And so the Russians to some extent.
Like to see America slow down they see us as a superpower that's a little bit out of control and of course there's a jealousy factor there too because when mr.
Putin was a young man.
In the KGB the Soviet Union was more or less our equal in some ways and they certainly are not.
Are equal and Russia anymore by any standard classic measures of military or strategic power so I think partly he's just trying to see us have trouble.
Now if and when the battlefield dynamics change enough.
That he has to adapt he will adapt he's not gonna hold -- a losing hand the right now he doesn't hold a losing hand he holds a winning hand because aside.
Has been doing reasonably well on the battlefield.
So I think that's the way to understand -- he likes to slow us down.
He likes aside because it's his friend his crony and a guy who right now has a bit of the slight advantage on the battlefield and until things shift pollutants not gonna -- either.
Okay thank you very much for that.
Analysis of the situation in Syria and the broader region Michael -- -- -- from the Brookings institute thanks for joining us.
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