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It puts me in line with other people -- had this type of incident happened -- -- no different than anybody else.
I've -- dead people before I mean that's not a shocker to me is he the guy there but to hear the gunshots and realize you're that close singing and makes me the -- Makes -- like life a lot today.
Put my kids -- him.
That was navy commander ten jurists who helped evacuate victims after yesterday's shooting the navy yard here in Washington DC and this is power play.
And I think we can all agree.
That few of us would have had commander -- presence of mind what he didn't mention right there was that the person standing right.
Next to him in a conversation with him was one of twelve gunned down killed.
But what now appears to be a deranged gunman.
Discharge from the navy.
But working as a subcontractor.
On a federal contract for the navy and use his security access to -- entrance to the navy yard.
And kill a dozen people more -- still wounded he is dead.
Our neighbors of these folks right this is where we live this is where the little power plays go for picnics.
So it's touched us all pretty closely.
And we are fortunate and because Mike Emanuel who is.
Usually does the unhappy work.
Bitter partisan bickering on Capitol Hill.
As our chief congressional correspondent for Fox News.
Had the honor if I can say sure of getting to know it's something about some of the victims that have been identified Mike thanks.
From -- and that's for sure Chris -- a lot of folks in their fifties and sixties described is rock solid people who want to work on a Monday morning and had this awful tragedy come to their workplace.
It makes you wonder we're seeing people in their fifties and sixties.
Obviously the impact on the families and also the impact in terms.
The workplace because they're probably people that a lot of experience we're very skilled at what they did.
You know descriptions use a loving son he was a great neighbor.
She was a wonderful person.
Hard working on those the -- -- descriptions we've heard the other contrast has had a chance yesterday to spend time at the med star Washington Hospital Center where.
Three people were brought for treatment and it and if there's any bright spot it is the fact that the three victims were brought there.
I seem to be doing well.
And that hospital certainly preparing for a lot more victims to come -- Com they were hoping they'd be able two saves more lives but they only got three that were brought through them and and the good news is they're doing well yeah.
You know when you you look at these folks we have.
They're images here.
Are their names here.
These are folks you know we are we've seven have been identified so far right -- where there are we're there are five more.
Who's identities have been withheld presumably so that families could be notified.
And things like that but as you say these people at age 59.
Michael Arnold Arnold 53 Soviet -- 62 -- guard.
73 John Roger Johnson fifty years old frank -- 46 year old Kenneth Bernard -- at 61 year old -- and these -- parents probably grandparents a lot of them.
These are people who were and the navy yard we should point out is a senior command place this is a place where that content.
There were no often there are no military members here these -- civilians right that's -- At least on this list but these are people who are senior in their community senior and their families of these losses are going to be felt deeply intro.
Time to question about that for sons daughters spouses.
One was an ex spouse who say they're still very good friends.
They two teenage boys.
Just very touching.
And you kind of get that sick feeling when you read about these victims are kind of takes you back to 9/11 where we read about all these people we didn't know.
Who went to work 1 morning and didn't come home that day and that's we're getting a snapshot of that at least here in Washington.
-- here in terms.
Memorial in terms.
Benefit in terms of things like that is anything planned.
My understanding is there will be something but I haven't gotten the final details just yet but we do believe that there will be some kind of community gathering and my guess is probably memorial funds for some of these folks as well.
And I think everybody should still scratching their heads and trying to figure out how this -- happened on -- secure facility and end a guy who -- wave the badge and was waved right in and so.
All that's still to come still be figured out but -- -- today we're thinking of the victims.
Well I don't know about everybody else but for me.
I -- increasingly less about.
Good person who would do such a -- -- and I -- increasingly more about the people whose lives he talked and it makes me feel good to know that there.
Their memories are in good hands with you today right thank you.
You're in good hands with us because we are going to talk about the president's speech yesterday Bill Kristol.
Is here we're gonna talk about why he got himself into that -- yesterday.
And how will get himself out of it what it means what it says.
And also please prepare your -- and -- get ready.
It's constitution day and we are going to give you a good constitution quiz.
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Folks really sold.
Beholden to one extreme wing of their party but there -- on the tank the entire economy.
Just because they can't get their way on this issue.
Are they really want to hurt people just.
To score political points.
And that's questioning of his rivals patriotism came in the middle of remarks from President Obama.
There were taking place in the middle of a panic.
In Washington -- just a few miles away from where the president was speaking.
There where thousands of folks locked down in their homes children locked down in their schools is a manhunt.
Was under -- after a mass shooting and naval base -- important naval base.
This is power by won't mess up there has -- there -- -- much of program over the president's decision to proceed yesterday with remarks on.
What we're supposed to be about the fifth anniversary of the collapse of Lehman Brothers.
Because everybody you know was counting down the days but what was really of course the opening gambit that the president was hoping to make.
In his latest -- war with Republicans.
Ahead -- looming potential government shut -- a looming potential partial shutdown as it relates to.
Did federal borrowing authority.
And all kinds of stuff but why.
Why would he do that why would he go ahead at a moment when.
Anybody who would be listening would be very likely to be turned off.
Who knows or at least -- engage in some -- with men.
This Bill -- he is of course the editor of the weekly standard.
He is of course by the way I'm not allowed to show you the inside.
Of this -- -- and the weekly copyright issues -- told.
Prevent -- contribute to any publications but I would submit to you -- mr.
Which I can now can't find hope it's been -- but to -- Wish.
-- in which is a great Winston Churchill quote.
It is is good enough is worth the price of admission which is 495 cents Steve but it's very good.
Militants free this free online but it weekly standard dot com the Internet physically demanding right on line tied in with the -- dot com read a lot of sound suspicious I don't know it's going to work.
I don't welcome mr.
-- gets a -- it is -- so here's the question.
While the president was talking.
So the White House knew that they had to move this speech they had they knew that they said it was 820 when the news broke.
So the speech was Reginald originally scheduled for the morning they slid it into the early afternoon they moved it inside they tried to downplay it.
The president made some brief -- -- top.
But everybody Politico.
NBC everybody is now saying.
-- boy why did you go out and -- partisan attacks on that day.
What -- see if why was he afraid of letting the day go by without getting Republican.
Yeah I don't know I mean I'm normally I'd say in these circumstances a little bit of -- defender of White House and worked on for years and made my share of mistakes.
And making these calls on the flies a little trickier than yeah the media sometimes thinks and I you know I know imagine.
You know they -- -- people to stand behind him they had -- teed up the Democratic National Committee talking points to go out emails to go out and raises.
Letters and emails like going out based on the presence marks the trip was telling him you know he really needs -- didn't do this -- all the stuff for rage.
And I didn't just a couple of times I was -- -- -- chief -- -- -- you've got overruled those guys that's absurd you know what we're gonna lose.
Few thousand dollars on I don't know -- email server you know have to cancel any doubt resting you know gonna have to pay people's plane tickets you know.
Using them as props and and and so forth but.
You do get that mode as the white as as this or any business up to us where the kind of internal -- -- overwhelms what obviously is obviously going to be outside.
Having said that I think this particular bad call clearly it is sort of startling honestly it really and it was -- -- that's what -- -- that this this -- -- -- -- kind of important policies the rise up and was setting up something happened next week Iran right UN.
They sort of -- have to say its importance of allies expect he'd say something you know.
But the fifth anniversary.
Of Lehman Brothers and that and it wasn't even about that -- and even a partisan attack yeah mostly Republicans -- -- Right really in the same thing you said before the city's gonna say again.
And really crude instantly -- us and you know looked at a couple of -- -- that.
Accrued partisan attack Republicans Republicans want to hurt people just to score political points you really yeah.
Is that more just a different judgment it was a judgment about what comes first and -- that.
But but you know and this is I don't -- -- too esoteric but you can help you can help keep me tethered.
It seems like so the president.
Bush was roundly criticized for questioning or intimidating -- question about -- Iraq War opponent's patriotism.
The support the troops -- with us or you're against us and Democrats that this is not acceptable.
The president makes it and in that very quote that you mention there.
The president makes it part of common course to suggest and he openly does it I hope not he said.
Not very convincingly but basically saying Republicans want to hurt you to win a political fight.
The definition of questioning a person's patriotism and this is the president I think believes this I think he does believe.
That his -- are really so cynical as to want to hurt the country.
In order -- defeat him.
Yes cynical a crazy system.
His view of the you know 464740%.
Of Americans who didn't vote for -- and -- govern -- -- -- don't think he's a very good job.
In the White House it is little shocking bush didn't actually attack the patriotism of his political opponents and Obama does routinely.
The White -- -- someone for political it's more quickly than Bush's which in turn actually was in -- pretty political Clinton's political her political eyes are back there.
-- it's -- present first president was suppose would not use the word Democrat Republican -- let us -- That was inappropriate that's for the political guys to use.
He's the White House spokesman for president and reasons why he was saying we think it's important that taxes be lower whatever -- make the policy argument.
But -- -- was White House that's gone away and I think that's not good for the country.
But nobody recruited the of the political attack his little shocking I think -- -- it's happening to pursue this and other areas that you talked about this affair right yourself.
If your president like any other picture job anymore that you need people around you -- will -- -- -- that's right good idea.
I know -- the inconvenience and only the other people are saying he should go ahead.
But I tell you this is gonna look -- I think that David acts are present -- -- the president Rahm Emanuel -- -- -- -- -- -- -- People some stature experience that gives the -- that in the first couple of years.
Who's in the White House now.
Obviously you know he's a very junior staffers.
They are there these -- they are totally deferential to the president and I think he said I think I give a speech and LCS are absolutely yes sir -- The it's it's injuries because I've written -- -- will be made available to -- -- -- -- the Bill Kristol has not -- there -- ahead as Randy.
In which except -- word -- now it's been circulated it just inside the family at their power play.
But in which -- posit.
The whole team is long gone man the axle rod again resident all those guys are either -- on K street or in the green room for credit and they're you know do the chops aren't there.
He brought in the team the president brought in the team to come up with a serious strategy.
I think they may have gotten a little rusty though.
While they've been away because they came up with the think about what -- hanging on the Republicans in the house.
-- Democrats said no I think.
And what I posited was.
That this sort of reactive when the news cycle obsessive like we have to be on the record with this attack it's time we've got to go out there as Fox News US and see that said Obama had to get the Republicans because of the two weeks as he lasted it's like a haircut for about every two weeks attacking you it.
-- that the but that that cycle that thinking not only leads to things like we saw yesterday which is.
Sort of tactical error but it creates some -- some problems for policy.
-- -- -- Yet it's very difficult -- some of the -- -- after that made the decision to go to congress that decision immediately the ground for wrong I can't believe there from manual and I have my issues room item.
-- -- -- -- -- Daly was chief of staff were Axelrod but there there it's a look Mr.
President assessment -- -- let's call Harry Reid let's call even the Republican -- guessing where they are.
Let's call in the spring and John Kerry and Joseph Biden think that certain sense -- -- -- him outside.
Let's talk to some house Republican we have relationship but let's see what's gonna -- it looks like there.
He just decided the White House staff said yes sir.
They told -- later and they ended up in a terrible position that was there which are responsible for.
So my I think he specifically have a second terms for a reason -- secretary is often don't -- -- first terms of other reasons.
It is interest and the Obama the Obama -- -- in 2013 was very confident they would not make mistakes -- to testify.
Yeah the typical beginning -- -- He's had an almost as bad no -- as bush -- Katrina.
And Harriet -- I'm not -- Obama well I don't know what did you think that say the numbers won't go slow -- now he has a higher bases -- don't -- -- right or right just as.
Of course export the we'll just never -- it which actually Republicans or conservatives are more willing to serve politician.
-- is doing a good job put leader that he is doing good job I think the left is a little more willing to just.
He's our guy we're -- there.
That he's gone down some and I think he -- further.
He's had what we -- it was a very -- think.
I think I'd much rather have Harriet -- the most -- and just it's it's.
Bill Kristol tells me that this magazine can be read in large part on the Internet.
You that you should do that it's good -- we thank you so much for making I think it gives us a little perspective a little broader view here.
OK Internet we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back we're gonna do what I wanna do I want to get nerdy and talk about the constitution I do.
And I'm not gonna hide it from you anymore Internet when we come back we're gonna have a good time we're gonna test your knowledge of constitutional trivia.
We're gonna talk about what the document meant what it means today we're going to share your chest it's going to be great.
-- -- And Max is what it looks like when you start a government.
Those are the signatories to the constitution of the United States.
Getting jiggy there George Washington overseeing in the famous Rossiter painting and it was this day.
Wasn't it that's -- we call -- constitution day on the seventeenth of September.
In seventy to see this the 226.
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That Brian Walsh is a former communications director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee he is now -- gun for hire.
For singer and -- Jane Republican strategist.
-- -- is a former longtime law enforcement officer he is a Democrat his radio show host on WP FW.
Here in Washington in and of the left always -- press.
-- -- That he and we thank you both for being here do you guys.
Like America you guys both -- pro American.
I was yeah it was very hard and everybody.
Well you know if you like America the constitution is kind of a big deal.
It's -- great charter of the United States that the founding document from which -- and all of our laws are supposed to.
Derive that is -- the guidance the as more as it.
Professor of -- once described at the owner's manual for having this form of government.
How it works best.
So would you like to know.
Some more about the constitution.
Absolutely now see if I don't feel that requisite view from.
I want him I want let's I wanna start actually with this question analysts are -- -- with the guys on this.
Today the constitution and I think this sort of sums it up from Johnny sage.
Who says that the constitution has been ignored since the moment.
That it was enacted.
-- in the constitution was great judgment which was ignored by the government the minute it was signed.
Had poly three S does this fear of the constitution still live most people want change want change -- -- preserve it -- pusher.
Act says I really I think if people really knew what it says how it says it -- really understood the boundaries against government.
And what it offers we the people.
That's it the they would want to preserve.
The start with you Brian Walsh.
A live -- a living document.
Or not it -- Eating it well there's if there's a big debate right now over where we're going with this country downhill and the RNC is a great out there -- it's it's not -- previous day.
Why taking people away from Fox News where -- -- it was -- clear he he makes the got a whole show her but yet diversity there -- had a great quote quoting Ronald Reagan's days and -- -- it's not free it -- government is limited to receive palpable sense on this country right now.
That we're getting away from that feeling that government is intruding into people's lives whether it's the the ire of scandal or obamacare and there's a growing concern about that.
Well clearly there is a living document and I look at it this community's social and legal competence.
-- it is a living document and it gave it gave us direction but certainly the framers recognized that there would be.
Social changes they're immoral changes but they recognize technological changes I don't know that there there's room for all of that.
-- -- -- so and this is sort of the heart of the debate.
And the heart of the debate is so we are taught in school -- constitution's -- -- And it's living but under what circumstances it's a living document Tucson and this is -- I think -- was getting at here.
Which is that it's open to some interpretation it because people change and society changes right so the document couldn't very well be steady getting any any living in changing society make -- commendable right and they started with intent.
So that conservative view on this is that the constitution.
Ranging from the original -- -- -- and others who say.
It is what it is but as you say it is pretty close to what it is and if you want to change what it says you need to amend.
But this is like the battle for the same picture so important because the -- It's.
A very it's a very that this.
Yes this -- the senate can confirms judges that didn't give that are sent inevitably some appointments and that's why it's so important to.
Appoint judges and confirm judges who respect the constitution.
Well we have created a whatever you think of its composition.
We have created -- pretty powerful federal judiciary when it comes to using an -- -- findings as it was said in the Roe vs.
Wade decision and number us.
Inside the constitution to -- or deny rights.
-- on the do you think people.
Accurately and adequately appreciate the role of the judiciary in their lives.
Well you know I think people appreciated when it works on their behalf.
And -- it and when they get decisions that they agree with I think my partner here actually -- a strong argument.
That the constitution is a living document and that it is still means through which the judiciary judiciary.
Looks that changes in our society and -- the issues that are brought before it as opposed to us that.
All right so in terms of what makes America different I just want to point this out what makes America different.
Then everybody else.
All the other countries in the world we not only have only had I think France is on it.
Fourteenth government or something like that they keep falling they keep doing -- constitutions.
We have found enough ways to manage and sometimes -- interpret our constitution that we kept together and to Johnny six point it is ignored quite frequently no doubt.
But -- there and win.
When you can make it stick it will work aren't you guys -- you wanna do you think that's faster constitutional.
Goes on my candidates not here you pop quiz -- I don't -- but you're not running you're not around him.
What was our country's first constitution call.
Well there was the articles of confederation prior -- -- -- -- OK okay that's correct next.
Laws for the United States are made by.
That congress IRS OK we're back 900 or thousand right now the longest possible time -- person can now service president is.
Eight years ten.
That's right -- looking for the reds game.
Neglect cancer is the ten years based on the amendment 22 of the constitution no person can be elected to the office of president more than twice.
Her serve more than two years on a term to which someone some other person was elected.
-- -- A man accused of crime in court has a right to hey here's the witnesses against him be be tried where every once -- and any judge he wants -- changed ports.
There have been witnesses against currently uses at all and it's.
-- -- yeah.
-- Absolutely no right to change courts even if you request a -- convenience and -- -- our first vice president.
Correctly got bill that would be document I can barely -- current -- Describe the describe the bill of rights last question describe the bill of rights it is the first ten minutes the fifteenth amendment the entire constitution -- all the events per cent -- -- and let's protect them and -- protect -- they were all negative -- no rights -- given to people in the bill of rights there all rights excluded from the government taken away from the government negative rights are more powerful freedoms and would say.
From Missouri writes yeah that was taken from the government those freedoms for the government to tell me what I can say on the Internet is taken from the government.
And Brian -- I just want to point out.
That that he -- an outstanding challenge The Heritage Foundation he -- a tough cop bad at US news and world report talking about the heritage action then.
We've been trying to buckle.
Mister wolf we'll be back he was here today ready to talk you -- was not.
We'll see whether you guys ready to cancer his charge.
Anytime I've been a longtime supporter of the heritage I would like I was but many Republicans why they're spending so much running attack Republican -- here -- he's here Karadzic he's ready to talk guys we thank you for making time for us today.
Thank you for -- a little bit of your constitution day with us it was fun hands.
I'm on the job is up next and now as we like to do every day who only use the word from our French terms.
The president in that speech was back thank you hyper partisan mode slashing attack on Republicans -- one point.
He's he's speaking of the Republicans who -- the media and some of them are decent quite a remarkable.
Thing for a president to say to expect any cooperation and to do this.
Minutes of thirteen.
-- -- employees brave Americans lying dead I thought was an extremely bad taste he could've waited until tomorrow.