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So let's get into all of this and the implications for security at these kind of facilities David Katz founder and CEO of global security group.
Is with me here in the studio good to see David -- and -- joining us via Skype from my New Jersey Stephen Rogers who is a retired.
US naval intelligence officer let me come to you first even.
I understand you have been on the Washington navy -- something like -- a dozen times see you know the security well.
How what we are we understand that he had a security costs as as a contractor for subcontractor of HB who -- doing some work for the navy that but.
-- my question is all right he gets on with the security -- but how -- does he get those weapons on to that facility.
Well all the good things take place one you have a heck are they got contractors access card or a military ID -- Or maybe you could do -- show that card to the gate guard what you -- your photograph -- aren't around that report code.
We're going to -- there and that they -- feel like -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If you want it to get on -- had -- -- -- like -- -- -- reported for another lane.
And that's where your vehicle would be certain -- -- -- -- at time where they would bring a nice you're so.
But saying that these children are there with them and bingo they just what might have been.
So there's no there's no standard vehicles such if you have.
One of those cod the CA seek out you just you simply drive -- to that facility.
And nobody is looking -- what you might have -- in your vehicles even.
That's exactly right unless there -- -- -- threat level will happen is bases around the country around the world.
They've been good their security.
As to block the threat level it -- it was a real high.
What level they're via -- percent ID checks and possibly -- -- vehicles.
Security -- By -- -- let me bring in -- David -- of the conversation here.
David Diaz -- the senate US navy secretary ray Mavis -- ordered a review of the physical security at all of these facilities now.
What sort of things -- they need to look at most urgently is it simple vehicle searches all won also they need to do.
First of all it.
You mean the simple measure of comparing the picture that person -- saying the courts apparently wasn't done and he didn't have his -- he's just -- court.
So wouldn't be unfortunate tendency is when you're an employee.
You have the proper notification the garden of 3000 people working that facilities that are tracking a lot of people during shift.
They see the card you get wave that there's no searches no screening.
Perhaps some biometrics might be a better idea but I think the more importantly.
How does this guy get higher what was his what was his Wimbledon result of his background investigation.
That allowed that individual with his past criminal psychological.
To be an employee of the of the federal government.
It's it's it's astounding but unfortunately it's not uncommon.
Yes Stephen today's not a concern for you to -- beat the idea I'm not only that he had these two arrests.
All know all the weapons charges -- -- is in his background.
But narrowed the and the way here in that may have been.
And medical issues which wouldn't boon.
To veterans affairs and yet he still gets this clearance.
Buchberger who had fled -- practically like every hour new red flag was flying -- -- When he was given a security clearance check when he joined the navy.
Why didn't they play him when they learned that if they have learned I think they did that that he had some problems -- -- the -- And now we're more troubling is here at the ballot as an access to a base you -- the security -- And he's being treated by the PA from mental health issues and a hypocrite when I got -- security where years ago I reported that the background check.
And CIA I think in my neighborhood -- get through my neighbors former boyfriend.
Everyone under the thought they fought through they -- and find out.
If I was an alcoholic -- gamblers if there was a change in my life felt it was very very expensive but looking back.
I can tell you I don't remember gauntlet any type of mental health examination.
So if that's still the case.
Now they need to changes in view of the fact we had a problem I thought we had a problem already and now we have this -- you -- -- bomb that went off.
Right and David as you said it's not just about necessarily new measures.
It's a question of as the head of the -- -- -- himself as indicated today.
It's looking immediately.
As whether that current measures which are the regulations.
Are actually being -- Full says it's always that way I can say one of the things we do in my company we -- full penetration testing and you go through the -- the client will have a security systems in the try to -- it.
Try to get past it measures we have in place.
We are almost a 100% successful -- more creativity and time this was that this was a joke.
Because once you once you have a protocol in place and you're not testing a random basis.
That's with a problem that's what it breaks down.
It just it but you know now they're blaming I don't know if you you've been listened to report -- blaming budget cuts in the fact that his background.
Wasn't -- apparently apparently -- that is absolute.
The the simple a simple measure getting an -- IC trip to the basic.
Criminal history check which would have to school disclosed.
His prior criminal history and -- people and disposition of those cases but apparently wasn't done or it was done so looked at it made an evaluation of this individual.
Wouldn't be a security risk.
But Stephen had -- before I let you go that I didn't just give me your overall thoughts that these are these the kinds of people who.
Well -- -- colleagues who were targeted so.
Randomly and viciously yesterday just give me your overall thoughts on -- and reaction to that terrible massacre.
-- most shocking I I would shocked that it happened -- a navy base and in particular on that basis whereby the way.
You -- naval officer the chief of naval operation that.
I think it yet but you have gotten very articulate and and and speaking a lot of things that maybe the military have a -- -- they need to they don't look at their security Packers beat them up.
And and one other thing I'd like bad is that unfortunately if there's work towards that there's people that see the behavioral pattern over the boy saying.
They seem to be the ones that are victimized by the system -- the person it.
Because I understand it to get through this factor this whole system have to be changed and -- have to be changed rather quickly.
All right Betsy Rogers retired US naval intelligence officer thank you very much indeed great to get your expertise on this sir thank you.
Thank you very much -- -- David -- for a final word from you on this.
Do you think we will see.
Major changes here it's 88 often strikes me.
That the government -- -- you know on the military to some extent that such huge organizations.
They are the least well equipped to react quickly.
You were you -- precisely correct.
How many times have we seen this not only the double that government installations.
But in schools in in malls and shopping centers and go back the pattern these mass shootings.
In virtually every single case.
The person who had the firearm should -- under existing law and should've had it.
So what what what how many more physically take until people understand that has got to be at least you -- you buy firearms.
You're you you do your background check and they'll come back with.
A positive or negative based on your criminal history there is no such database as to as to whether a doctor -- -- that the psychiatrist is an apologist.
Makes this makes a judgment peace treaty that maybe this person should not have a firearm right though database in the same people who -- were calling for stricter gun control are the ones who resist.
That database and that's got to change.
Yep -- it's the debate we've had here before and sadly one.
We seemed destined to happen again and again in the wake of these kinds of tragedies David Katz founder and CEO -- with the global security group ink.
Thank you very much for being -- bigger receivers.
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