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Is professor emeritus of linguistics at MIT.
His most recent book nuclear war in environmental catastrophe coming out later this month on western terrorism for her Russian to drone warfare.
And doctor -- With all this talk about Syria I don't know what to believe -- we believe that the Russians are right that the opposition.
Are the ones who were doing the chemical weapons -- that the government is doing it lot of conflicting information.
-- Assumption that's it's probably the government very likely the government of it's true that the definitive information has not been presented.
I think enough information as -- -- to.
Make them look at it likely.
I personally don't question that the to have that it -- certain books -- certain.
Is there a moral argument.
That a country like the United States needs to go in to stop the slaughter of innocent people.
Well I wish there were an argument that the United States should stop slaughtering innocent people.
Itself and it would be a place to start.
So -- suffered this medications that can run it right now live picture of the drone campaign.
That's a terrorist campaign.
Scoring plenty of people hospital sometimes they're suspects.
But you know.
There was once a principal hundreds of years ago it's in the constitution even that people are considered.
Innocent until proven guilty.
The people were killing haven't been proven guilty so those are innocent people.
This is something you -- -- -- upcoming book on western terrorism.
You know that's but that's -- you know by our standards that's pretty minor.
The picture the invasion of Iraq.
The invasion of directors.
-- outright aggression.
Textbook case but at least.
Care about the Nuremberg principles -- the combination of modern international law that defined aggression that is.
The supreme international crime.
But differing from another war crimes.
In the that it encompasses.
All of these evil that -- Pool of -- with follows.
And that's the principle on which we hanged Nazi war criminals.
They should stated that.
The tribunal the US prosecutor justice -- traction.
Instructed the tribunal what is he put it that.
That we -- handing these defendants.
They poisoned chalice.
And if we ever -- -- that we do the same things we must suffer the same.
Little -- this is just traditional course.
When you -- on democracy now recently.
Amy Goodman played a piece of tape from.
Wesley Clark who's walking around the Pentagon on September I think -- at ten days after September 11 2001.
And he was saying that he was told by a general.
Not identified that there was a plan.
Ten days after 9/11 to go and invade Iran they decided to go to war ten days.
After we were attacked two or in an Enron knowing at the time the there was no connection to whenever there was an -- You know this kid I think it was probably long before that.
-- late ninety's these people who became the platters for that he Bush Administration were already talking about it.
Project -- new American century.
-- you know.
And so I think I think Chris.
The 9/11 gave a kind of a pretext for.
But as you say that was the -- and they tried really hard to establish.
Some connection between.
Iraq and don't try to but in fact that was the main reason for all of us hideous torture.
We we have records from that.
Pressure was coming from the administration from disgruntled and training to keep.
A harsher methods missions and -- methods of interrogation.
In order to try to extract.
Some rather than just.
-- Interact to.
Al-Qaeda which isn't crazy ideas because they were enemies.
That bitter enemies -- but.
But that was not certainly not an established despite all -- -- but doesn't that was.
It was a -- -- pretext.
For the same was true that he.
Weapons of mass destruction.
We did not talk about that anymore.
The real -- -- -- that fact stated later in the war.
That towards the end of the war when it was pretty clear that the United States -- suffering a pretty curious to see.
That it's a major war games.
Would not be -- The Bush Administration did.
Make whose -- pretty explicit.
It was a -- an official declaration I think it was November.
Just stating that we -- systems and hit an 88 agreement -- direct.
And let there be two things.
By the US based.
Energy corporations such one.
-- the right to.
Military bases and even conduct operations from them interact.
That was reinforce the following January.
But one of President -- many signing statements.
It which he statement in which generated which he says do it.
With regard to -- My situation into signing insisted the government would not honor any legislation.
-- -- Who is either of these two world.
Goals well that's.
Pretty clear official statement of the real reasons for invading erect.
Not a great surprise.
And it's striking that in both of those cases.
The Iraqi nationalism.
Was strong enough to the US could not achieve those schools.
You refer to the United States is a violent military state and in fact.
There was another another September 11 about which you prominently discussed 1973.
In -- Now that they're busy and often is as much press as as -- but that's where we where the provocateur unlike what happened on our -- -- are.
And to think how serious it was.
Just trying to -- -- -- let's talk about September 11 2001.
And let's imagine.
That this particular plane that was -- in Pennsylvania.
There was probably -- at the White House -- -- it is hit the White House until the president.
But -- -- military coup which are very good plant.
The military -- destroyed the port of entries that are democratic parliamentary system instituted.
Which are very quickly kill thousands of people.
That the murdered tens of thousands of people.
Instituted in Washington.
-- major international terror senator.
Which was carrying out assassinations.
And institutions of other military regimes throughout the world.
That's -- on top of that the that the total -- whoever took over.
A cold in about truth economists.
But school them the -- our boys from Afghanistan.
Some pretty quickly.
Drove the economy.
Into one of the worst recessions in American history.
That's in fact what happened to true it.
I'm describing what actually happened.
And yes we share the curious responsibility for that.
If you read that you released internal record -- Henry Kissinger.
Richard Nixon we're.
Talking about pretty present itself rather roll and it's so.
And they were condemning the liberal media which were criticizing what happened.
And one of them I think -- Kissinger Nixon -- If this has happened to that Eisenhower you're we'd be -- heroes for the achievement of carrying out.
The first model open which who has a much worse -- the second world -- there isn't any dimension you think of.
And it twenty years before that in 1953 we'll return to parliamentary government.
In Iran and -- I don't understand this.
How is it that this has been our history and yet Americans.
For the most part don't see that the American Media doesn't really put it -- that perspective and thus when something like Syria comes up we are.
Refer to were self referential as the -- to then go in and and save the rest of the world.
And shot the way the rest of the World Series of the media particularly the Arab world.
We have regular polls.
Of Arab public opinion taken by the the leading -- kind of western US that polling agencies and respected agencies elsewhere.
And what they tell you is what's it about Iran and the United States should do that is use -- real.
They tell -- that the Arab populations.
-- -- -- They don't.
-- that -- hostilities and grow back a long way.
And that they dislike Iran but they don't regard as a threat.
Very small percentage regarded as a threat.
The threats -- -- The United States and Israel.
And Egypt to major Arab country.
On the eve of the book covers square demonstrations -- them.
For every 222011.
Major US poll found that.
I think it was about.
Sorry 80% of digital component to beat -- public regarded.
The main threats they faced as the United States and Israel.
Maybe 10% regarded Iran as a threat.
And in -- the majority.
And that poll.
Even tell that to.
The region might be more secure.
If he -- had nuclear weapons.
-- -- US power.
I didn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons but the -- the United States more.
That's not uncommon throughout the world.
And there are reasons for.
The reasons are the policies that have been carried.
If that particular ran 1953.
We overthrew as a parliamentary government.
-- Brutal tyranny for years.
-- since 1953.
There -- literally has not been that day when the United States has not been torturing the people around.
The first by imposing the dictatorship.
And then assumes -- dictatorship was overthrown.
But very quickly turning to support for.
And the -- -- that in 1982.
So -- the Reagan administration removed Saddam.
From the terrorist list so that the US could start.
Providing him with assistance.
For his then and it has its aggression against Iran.
Killed hundreds of thousands of people that a massive use of chemical well.
The Reagan -- Commerce Department -- Robert Mosbacher who is -- I understand it.
Permitted the infrastructure to be sent to Iran to allow them to do that chemical attack on the -- I'm not -- to and then they tried to.
Prevent any protest.
To do yeah.
They tried to prevent protests -- tried to blame it on around.
And in -- Saddam was so popular is the Reagan Bush Administration first bush.
The -- to President Bush should 1989.
After all of these atrocities.
And horrible -- -- Bush should invited.
Iraqi nuclear engineers to the United States current -- training in nuclear weapons production.
That was 1989.
The fact that Iraq was even given a privilege which is -- here.
And they were permitted to Iraq Saddam Hussein to attack an American -- -- -- -- -- Killing the -- doesn't sailors.
I had to get away with a with an earlier attack on the wrist.
The -- -- the country that's ever been allowed to do that is Israel.
We're talking about you know -- his most recent book nuclear war environmental catastrophe coming up later this month on western terrorism from Hiroshima.
To drone warfare to doctor county what you're saying is we have no moral standing to say what we're saying about Syria or any other country.
What should we need him.
What we should be doing -- cleaning up her own act.
To put an end to -- -- with Poland the world could.
Causes these creates these attitudes quite justly when we should look honestly at ourselves.
We could look honestly the first eleven.
The what we've done and around what was done in Guatemala what -- -- done.
Didn't have tried and elsewhere.
That we should try to become a constructive force in world -- hitters in the case of serious specifically.
-- there are actions which we could undertake.
Which might be lead to.
That eliminating the chemical weapons peacefully well.
We're very constructive action would be to use the opportunity.
To -- moved to implement.
The kind of chemical weapons convention.
On the Middle East.
And I mean the actual chemical weapons convention.
Not true version that Obama described in his speech to the nation the other day -- very carefully.
Misstated the chemical weapons convention.
You look back at the transcript to sort of took the chemical weapons convention bans the use of chemical weapons.
-- actually it bans the production.
Storage and use of chemical weapons.
-- boundary between storage and use his very slight.
Immature adult -- about nuclear weapons.
If you -- The walk into a store with a gun and you waved the gun.
Bureau -- store which you don't fire the gun you're still using the guns and that's.
The situation with regard to weapons of mass destruction.
Were using them all the time and others who have them are using them to.
As well as threats and intimidation action that's part of official US policies that aren't so we could move to.
Try to impose the actual.
Chemical weapons convention.
There's a reason why Obama.
Misrepresented -- and one of the media has continued to misrepresented.
If we did that we have to get Israel to give up its chemical weapons.
And Israeli weapons of mass destruction.
Receive protection from the US.
And nuclear weapons chemical weapons.
But that's true and if we were to move in that direction.
It's entirely possible that the Syrian regime might have agreed to give them up peacefully in that context.
Who can't be sure -- -- -- But that was something that could have been -- and could easily be tried right now.
Ticker general sensitive we were not as much of -- for pocket -- ourselves or not try to change the world for the worst over the years and by doing away with parliamentary governments and installing dictatorial regimes.
We would have there be less threats.
That or the very threats we now claim to be battling.
In -- it's not just my opinion -- -- -- opinions -- I don't.
And so you may recall that.
That George Bush President Bush made a speech in which he asked kind of pathetically you what are they hate us.
Then he added they hate us because of our freedoms.
Well -- that led to a study by.
The defense science board pentagon aboard.
-- which concluded no they don't hate us because -- our freedoms.
They had just been.
Because of our policies.
And went through war they have -- and it wasn't a -- observation.
Same thing that happened in 1958.
When president Eisenhower.
-- -- -- there -- campaign of hatred against us in the Arab world.
The government split from the population.
Of just before that that -- -- to -- problem.
-- Security Council -- planning agency which answered the question.
That you did something like this appears.
The perception in the Arab world that the United States supports.
-- harsh and brutal dictatorships.
And -- democracy and development.
And we do it because we want to have control over their energy resources.
And I went on to say that this perception that is not an accurate.
And in fact that there are good reasons why we should do that.
Well I was 1958.
And there's give him any more can -- of these interim period.
The Pentagon and 2001 reiterated.
What you should do that just -- correct.
Professor Chomsky the they were talking to Noam Chomsky -- upcoming book is on western terrorism from Hiroshima to drone warfare coming -- of the end of this month.
I thought when I voted for Barack Obama I was voting for an anti war candidate I know that you thought otherwise even as.
Many people on the left felt we'll hear finally we're gonna get somebody who won't be continuing this -- like.
Atmosphere of this country I think you saw that that wasn't going to be the case -- then there we go politically from a political perspective to change things in such a way that.
-- the the run of events as you've described them that the course changes that we don't continue to be this military -- It's in our -- And we live in a very free society -- comparative standards.
That are plenty of options and opportunities.
We have to take that it's not trivial.
It's not just a matter who we elect.
The whole democratic system.
Seriously he -- -- I mean there are.
There -- some very.
Try and work on this and critical science.
-- That comparing attitudes to policies.
That's pretty easy to do in the United States that is the policies which he's the attitudes are very well studied by extensive polling.
And that what these studies -- view is the best studies that.
About 70% of the population.
It is essentially disenfranchised.
The lower 70% on the well -- income scale.
Of their opinions have essentially no influence on policy.
As you move up the scale you get.
A little more influence.
When you get to the very top.
-- basically to get what they want.
The -- of hypocrisy.
Not a democracy.
And as long as that's the case.
It's going to be very hard to change policies.
-- they -- over -- entry issues also that the media.
You know it was indeed implausible that people would be after 9/11.
Get up and say we shouldn't go to Afghanistan we shouldn't go to Iraq people were cal the media wouldn't you wouldn't have many mainstream media outlets to win.
Have the gold assays such a thing so we're not hearing alternate points of view often enough or hearing the run of events -- you.
Put them between 1953.
Ran 1973 chilly in the lead up to where we are now.
It's the media so also.
But you don't learn that the -- He only learned -- -- university is a very special.
It's just not part of media.
Intellectual and moral culture that's not.
Unique -- it's -- have been looking at yourself in the mirrors.
Often -- not a very attractive that the test.
Center site cultures and societies don't like to do it either.
-- and it goes way back.
I think you may recall that -- Thomas Jefferson.
That he trembled for his country when he reflects that yardage trust.
And that his justice will not be delayed forever.
But he was referring to -- of the two original sins of the society slavery.
The John Quincy Adams couple years later.
Specific about the same thing -- we're going to have to face the judgment to.
That it will be -- He was referring to the second that the original search -- -- And what he called the extermination.
Of hapless threesome.
And those two -- insurers out of but had not been fueled by an imminent and ever since then there are other but to look at them requires some courage and honesty.
And -- -- that it would have -- properties that are always in short supply.
Doctor -- appreciate your time so much once again and I look forward to your forthcoming book coming at the end of this month.
And hope we get gesture and again thank you very much yeah.
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