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-- -- -- -- -- very spirited debate on Lauren Green chief militant was spotted a Fox News Channel.
Quote Francis and they shaking up the Roman Catholic Church.
Four and a host chastising it -- focusing on.
-- what had been the pillars of its.
Was a rowdy abortion contraception.
I wanna bring in -- Fox's contributor compromise Jonathan -- to talk about this -- because.
A lot of things well Francis and says sort of like this one is a couple -- this is really shaking up the Catholic Church what your reaction to what he's -- personal.
I wanna say I wanna reasoning that he said because isn't this is the one that is -- -- -- more often.
This is the -- the first quote we cannot insist only on issues related to abortion gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods this is not possible.
The teaching of the church for that matter is clear and I am -- of the church but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time what is your reaction to.
Yes well it's been fascinating to look at both.
Of reactions from other people and then also to come up with what my reaction should be.
And I think on the one side there are people Catholics conservative Catholics were saying.
-- was spinning it to their own.
Like you know on my -- didn't say anything do.
Nothing new at all because of course we should be only insisting on these things but we should continue to insist on them there for nothing has changed nothing is doing is at all novel or or -- It's changed hats the other side more and the big people who would be.
More liberal Laura and and that's -- -- -- are now the Pope is saying you know we should never talk about.
Gay marriage being bad about abortion being bad etc.
So -- the same -- looking at this myself as a priest as a Christian.
What -- my reaction be what is he really mean and what kind of learn from it but I think he's saying is that tone matters but that unfortunately.
That that the great richness.
Of of the Bible the great -- richness of the gospel message to great richness of the tradition of the church.
Is much bigger than just didn't search issues abortion issues it's never okay and in what he's saying is if I talk.
Mostly about those things the other things get lost what he's even said it is I'm not talking about those things at all.
Yeah I because I want I I know that we have to do that or focus on other things as well but.
That's but the -- is always faced certain issues and every.
Part of the history.
This is good -- kind of -- of our time is over abortion and and and gay marriage.
So -- I think the conservatives are saying why shouldn't we focus on this why why is why is it not a good thing for I forget what was he saying.
These issues are not the -- cultural battle of our time OK we make those deep cultural battle of our time.
We're going to really done.
And I -- we're going to do disservice to the gospel of Jesus it has to be those things and many other things city -- in our date and our immediate culture.
If we just focus on those things or focus on those things mostly -- things were between isn't.
Question is reality and I think the perception has been a church is only focused on those things I read one more.
Quote this is the fourth when we've got from.
Other church sometimes has locked itself up in small things and small minded rules the most important thing is the first proclamation Jesus Christ has saved you.
And the ministers of the church must be ministers of mercy above.
He keeps saying mercy mercy mercy you know and I'm trying to think that -- what is.
Exactly why is he focusing on that might affect -- very personal thank you definitely I think this is very interesting thing except that a lot of people can relate to what you're talking about as.
Before you had to break him about this.
My sister I never said this publicly before.
Before today my sister and publicly meaning -- intelligent woman friends and things but my sister married legally.
Another woman earlier this year -- And she has been struggling with her faith and a big time because of that whole issue because of that they homosexual issue in -- -- the church.
I have not known exactly how to to deal with that in a good way.
And she wrote to me this morning and she said and we go back and forth all the time about about the issue.
And about also how my family relates to -- -- -- Listen to what she unhook from what -- Francis is saying.
She says hey John thanks Jonathan -- -- John F I just saw a headline from slate.
That says quote Pope is a flaming liberal.
And I thought heck what's wrong with that Jesus was a flaming liberal in his day the problem of course she says it's my sister is in the definition of liberal.
It seems to me that is a basic part of human nature to -- other people to think what you do to affirm your existence in value by.
Affirming your beliefs and so the term liberal and for that -- it matter the pope's words will be typically interpreted.
How folks want to interpret it if you take the term liberal to mean pro gay marriage and pro abortion.
-- the headline is misleading she sets is that -- gay sister or just plain false but then she says this.
But if you take liberal to mean radically and pathetic.
Radically loving radically merciful than the heading -- spot -- All this is to say that my first feeling and read the -- interview is that I felt like I was listening to the voice -- -- -- very interest -- very understand you know a lot of people.
May have had a same reaction a lot of little things might have had the same reaction -- that -- is that.
Are they assuming that the Pope is now making it different reading of the Bible because the Bible is not change the Bible statements of homosexuality.
About how you look at thousands of not changed so what is the Pope actually saying about how we should interpret those statements and.
That I am I he's some of the church and the son of the gospel -- a follower of Jesus I don't change doctrine it is what it is and I believe that but.
He's not harping on that.
He's harping on something else he's he's giving -- home that is different.
He's saying focus on expression of a focus on expressing mercy.
Bishops priests followers of Jesus pastors focus now -- expressing.
Mercy and forgiveness compassion.
But -- -- disease in -- -- I don't want to have compassion.
They want to focus and they want to have all this compassion but how do you address it in the legal sense when.
It's about gay marriage.
Right I know you know when it's it's not about.
I've -- It and I need forgiveness is about.
A life that says I love another person who is -- my same sentence that I believe.
That got affirms this that is not what the -- -- and I think there's a confusion there isn't there -- it.
It is hard in practice.
But what I'm gathering from the rest of my own life in dealing with not only family members -- dealing with my my parishioners and -- in the way I view it on television as well.
Is be careful.
You can be so fixed on making sure you explain the doctor.
Right and at the same time don't express the love but -- and I you have to have compassion.
And truth of course there's of course but.
Not constantly saying but I remember the church says that I -- wrong.
I know what's wrong we should say -- at times but we have to show compassion mercy in a way that people can experience.
Compassion and mercy.
It will be extended and makes perfect perfect sense it'll be interesting to see how he's going to play out in the next few months of this fantasy and how it's -- you start working with this that it's wonderful -- given much -- -- -- things contributor.
And they -- very much for joining us spirited debate but I.
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