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And at Defcon three I'm -- you're fraud we're gonna have a little bit deeper look.
Into the attack by an al-Qaeda affiliate.
-- upscale luxury.
Shopping mall in Kenya over the weekend.
This is about -- attack has gone on for several days it is by Al Shabazz SM militant group out of Somalia.
But it was an attack in neighboring country.
Kenya and it was and that Nairobi upscale shopping on joining us again a little bit of insight and analysis.
Is ambassador John Campbell he's a senior fellow for Africa -- studies at the council on foreign relations and a former United States ambassador to Nigeria.
African expert and a career foreign service officers -- thank you for joining us ambassador Campbell pleasure to be with you are right -- ask you first.
Should have -- -- it's like you're an item on the menu.
And Middle East restaurant whose Alice to Bob.
How should Bobby is a movement.
Based in Somalia.
And of that has morphed over time but one of its consistent attributes is its.
Desire to establish a pure Islamic state.
And establishing such a pure Islamic state means amongst other things.
That's all foreign troops and for that matter influences.
Are out of Somalia.
That ranges from the Ethiopians.
To be the Kenyans.
Pretty much it to anybody else.
It's a movement.
It's more of a movement then it is.
And further as a movement it has lots of lots of -- cannot.
That they're power struggles that go on with and -- We true but he quite obscure to -- -- outsiders.
Well if it's a movement.
And some movement that's its -- -- at least started in some idea.
There are a lot of indications that in Somalia at least -- -- -- on its knees and yet they've been able to pull off an attack where there's at least it 62.
People have been killed so far -- number hundreds have been injured and it's an attack that may still be going on for days later.
Yeah I think in effect I think it is still going on.
I would not say that -- should -- on its knees.
What Al Shabazz did is it in the face.
An increase in the military activity is its fighters simply melted away.
To regroup to add a more opportune time.
It's important to bear in mind that Al -- bomb is has a -- area in religious dimension to it.
These people are fanatics.
Among other things they are seeking to establish the kingdom of god on earth.
And that goal they use it to justify.
The most unspeakable violence such as we -- scene in the -- over the weekend.
What's the connection to train Al -- -- al-Qaeda.
Very good question -- -- Bob says that its affiliated.
But what exactly do -- whose words mean.
I have seen no particular evidence that Al -- Bob receives any kind of direction.
From -- a group hold it al-Qaeda.
Al-Qaeda itself now resembles a franchise.
More than it does and coherent organization.
-- Qaeda is no longer being run from cave in Afghanistan.
And it doesn't have a charismatic leader such as Osama bin Laden.
Rather al-Qaeda seems to be I -- system or network.
Of beliefs and practices.
As opposed to.
And organization can actually get a handle -- There's no Politburo there's no charismatic leader.
It's rather a way of thinking it's a process violence and -- the question about that.
But I think it's a mistake to see a kind.
International -- try to conspiracy.
-- some political leaders and -- have come on the air in the last couple of days.
And said this is the beginning of what we might see an America that these are Somali American.
-- and I Americans who have been affiliated.
With -- to Bob.
And in any event al-Qaeda is still looking to attack the US mainland is this do we look at -- as Americans and say.
What this can happen an upscale shopping mall in Nairobi.
Is it going to happen potentially in a shopping mall the United States another soft target.
In my view it's highly unlikely.
Not least because United States is well policed and has lots of ways of discovering.
Plots before they can actually from -- to fruition.
Also I think there's an important distinction to be made between an attack on say an American shopping center.
By a group that is based abroad.
And the possibility of some kind of terrorist act by a group.
That after all is what we saw in the United Kingdom where there have been terrorist operations.
By people who were warmer in the United Kingdom.
Something like that that it is possible here but again I don't see it is particularly likely.
Alright well thank you very much for sharing your expertise ambassador John Campbell former US ambassador to Nigeria and currently a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations.
Thank you and that's it for -- country see again on the next hot issue that comes on the international stage.
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