Power Play 9/25/2013
Why Senator Ted Cruz pulls an 'all-nighter' and who is best at electing Republicans? Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss
Sep 25, 2013
Michael Barone, Dan Holler, Brian Walsh
Why Senator Ted Cruz pulls an 'all-nighter' and who is best at electing Republicans? Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss
Sep 25, 2013
Michael Barone, Dan Holler, Brian Walsh
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Good morning I am Chris.
-- -- and New York buzz cuts from Fox News first number one that.
-- -- -- He went all night long so did Ted Cruz who's talking even now.
Even now keeping it going in -- and not a filibuster but it is an awful lot of talking.
And senator cruise goes -- goes defying the leadership of his own party and President Obama.
To speak against obamacare delaying the process of passing emergency legislation to fund the government which is set to shut down on Tuesday number true.
-- to ink controversial.
Arms treaty that's John Kerry he says that he knows this and it won't ratified because of concerns about the Second Amendment.
But he will today sign at the United Nations a treaty which would bind if it could be ratified.
The United States to UN oversight and requirements as it relates to the selling of weapons Republicans in the senate and some pro -- Democrats say.
No way a day.
It's fight night in Virginia that's can -- -- -- that's Terry McAuliffe the voters are not energized but the candidates certainly are.
As we look at Virginia's gubernatorial race.
The debate tonight is in Northern Virginia.
It's moderated by its.
Me from NBC and they didn't include the libertarian candidate whose polling at about 7%.
That does however remain in that -- -- and McAuliffe between them there is zero love lost are likely to get very spicy today.
It is a rhinoceros.
And a very colorful bird of some kind so are you a rhino.
That is a question that we will explore explore today in a great debate segment as we have a spokesman for heritage action.
The conservative pac that is leading the charge to squeeze Republican lawmakers.
To risk big government shutdown in an effort to try to defund obamacare we'll also have the former top talker.
For the Republican senatorial committee will be here and that we will have our great rhinoceros whacko -- debate that you have all been waiting for it will be good.
Last but certainly not least.
What about Bobble heads.
In new York at the Yankees game last night they were promised 181000.
The first 181000 fans.
Would get a Bobble head because somebody was retiring so they had a Bobble head of this person New York being New York.
They didn't arrive on time they didn't show up to the third inning and didn't.
People became dispute nations.
Over this giving in to some scrapes and some shoving and some yelling.
And some New York is -- over it.
You would know that.
And you would know much more if you were already signed up for Fox News first just go to Fox News politics.
Dot com sign up there will just -- -- out there for you because we're quite fond of view it -- but we're gonna do it all right now.
Because this is power play.
And that is the same as Texas senator Ted Cruz.
Continues his marathon marathon marathon talk about talk and can't talk about.
And this is power -- wouldn't be and I am still Chris Farrell I Internet presence of so here's the deal.
Because I guess no one would -- -- -- I know you know what we're doing they're creating a new home for us and for on the record with Greta Van Susteren incidentally.
So we are checking things out from the rooftop vantage today and having a good time talking about what's going on in the senate.
As Republicans try to figure out what they're gonna do any consequential vote later today.
A person who knows or at least knows how it is likely to affect them when they have.
To face the voters is Michael Brown.
Things that we can say about Michael Brown other than the fact that you are a game Burgundy to to come up claim -- on the roof with us to be part of the show.
Is that Michael is.
The senior political analyst for the Washington examiner.
That's -- that is accurate you are resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
Yes you are -- one of the architects I'm going went to the almanac of American politics co author co author but how about this.
How about your new book.
That -- Internet you have to get there.
It's good it's shaping our nation.
How searches of migration transformed America and its politics as a DC elite I already got a copy and it's quite good it's quite good and it deals with hillbillies so I'm particularly interested in it.
-- 63 the Scots -- you start coming in great numbers to the consternation.
Of the coastal Americans and the and the British you call us -- -- project -- -- we know what we are and that's OK too all right so.
What's happening now -- at noon.
In just been less than a half an hour.
The senate will recess.
This sets up -- moment where the presiding officer in the senate is going to come out Ted Cruz has made -- cents to 42 PM yesterday afternoon.
-- -- -- the floor of getting by with little help from his friends but he's held the floor but in moments the presiding officer of the senate is going to come out from.
Ever is up -- rotation now I don't know it's gonna come up and tell.
Ted Cruz the that he has to be quiet in the senate is in recess.
That's right and at which point the senate will go back into session correct and at 1 o'clock at 1 o'clock they get a lunch break and they're going to consider and Ted Cruz is basically.
That the senate should not consider.
Bill that he.
The source because -- because he knows that that Kerry Reid has promised.
That -- soon as he gets his hands on that thing as soon as it comes up for a vote is gonna strip out the provision that would be on the president's oval.
-- and the argument -- made against what take -- doing by some Republicans.
I should add is that he's he's he's asking for something impossible he's asking me -- this is a futile gesture -- that if the government is shut down.
I think we continuing resolution doesn't pass in the government has not fund that's gonna hurt Republicans.
I think there's some weaknesses of both in the case for Ted Cruz is what he's doing it against.
What Ted Cruz -- -- Negative thing comes from a shot to the Republicans from a shutdown is a negative.
On the other he and I think that the the polling and some history suggests that the negative -- not -- as great as is widely thought among summary and there's new pew polling that suggests that Americans hold both parties and pretty great content to the army basically they said they ask voters are who they blame for a shut down 39% say congressional Republicans 36% President Obama.
That's very different from 9596.
When it was for Clinton now caveat.
Voters are not good predictors of their responses exactly -- so they don't necessarily go there but another caveat.
Groups are generally less popular than individuals if President Obama only has a three point advantage in this one poll.
Against a bunch of individuals as disreputable in the minds of most voters as congressional Republicans.
That's not a very big advantage in what suggests to me is that if we see a government shut down we'll see something like we saw in August 2011 when negotiations broke down.
Both the president and the congressional Republicans who lost ground with public opinion and lost -- longer.
Than Bill Clinton -- congressional -- -- Busted in 199596.
Very intimate left wing guardian in Britain has a good blog post does setting up an hour.
Course that's right -- and we've also noticed that since then.
That's it in part it's in the fact that there's not much confidence in either one of these enemies but also the cycles have shortened people have less patience voters are more critical now than they were twenty years ago.
Yeah I in a lot of voters are dug in on both sides.
But there is set.
I genuine -- here -- their -- -- I think also that that.
My interpretation my -- behind the poll numbers is that a lot of voters have figured out that Barack Obama's not very good I'm policy.
He doesn't do policy particularly doesn't do -- well we've learned from -- is.
Sources close to his campaign that they threw in the promise of universal health care because they were looking for an applause line at the end of the speech -- in 2007.
Policy want great they're gonna bomb Syria -- I mean Bill Clinton whatever one may think of him otherwise is a guy that knew a lot of -- policy understood the connections between all I'll say in my -- here I'm hearing that and that the majority leader is is cutting in on Ted -- is that right let's take a -- And at this point our time is expiring and I want to allow.
Other Republican senators who have appeared -- and asked to ask questions to have the opportunity to -- madam president.
The majority leader can I -- question of my friends from Texas.
Does the senator yield fair question.
I will yield for one more question without yielding the floor here's a question.
You seem -- not understand that you have after the prayers -- at 12 o'clock you have.
Time until 1 o'clock and during that period of time my question was.
Because you still have a Ford would yield fifteen minutes of that John McCain.
It is my intention.
If the consent request that I asked -- not agreed to.
To accept the end of this afternoon under the senate rules.
I -- I -- I understand thank -- very -- -- -- As a senator from Texas yield for a question what.
That's what I just heard there.
Trap would be it would be a strong word.
But an offer from Harry Reid to Ted Cruz in which Harry Reid said if -- yield.
Because the rules say that when it comes back in this session if if crews are still holding the floor when the senate gavels out of session.
As mandated at noon when they come back and I guess he still has the floor.
And he said well and that would give -- another hour -- he can make it through at noon.
He gets to take a breath they offer -- prayer they come back into session and that he has an hour until the vote.
He was Harry Reid sent a letter to yield fifteen minutes to John McCain.
But -- -- just yield fifteen minutes of that to John McCain.
Ted Cruz was not interest it.
Not surprise got a surprising that he was non interest.
Well -- cruises.
Made a lot of enemies among Republican colleagues in the senate and particularly in the house.
Many of them feel he's grandstanding.
He's a very -- I've known him for a long time but heat.
-- something that is something like the opposite of charm.
Couple Michael Barone.
He antagonize heat heat -- -- -- antagonize.
People even as he speaks in beautifully crafted -- very well on form although he makes mistakes -- -- from time from time time as any claims phrases route for his Republican colleagues like.
Surrender caucus -- -- they called him a -- over.
Yeah -- there's not a lot of love lost there's not a lot of love and loss but I think the insults -- go back even farther than they probably go back even further than that.
But it's pretty clear what Reid is trying to do here is avoid the moment that I described in which they basically have to turn the lights out on cruise.
Where they are forcing him to yield and he can do the dying moment to lift his hand up.
I did not think frankly when you're putting Fox's first together this morning and I hit the door at 5 o'clock this morning to start from the finishing touches on that.
I did not think the Ted -- would still be talking now this is -- at the very least a prodigious act.
Physical strength to keep on your feet and talking for what will end up being.
Something like 22 hours -- Strom Thurmond did 24 hours back in the 1957.
I believe of course he had to keep that chamber -- off these senate floor inside the cloak room in case he had -- in case that nature -- -- he was doing well that's one of the risks that you do when you stand up and talk for a long period of time vets we have full facilities here at our place that we don't worry about that.
By the -- we don't worry about being on form when you -- with us because you know what we wanted.
Thank you thank you sir okay.
Now I promised it to you before.
But now we will make good we will deliver in fact a discussion that you have been waiting for Internet.
Heritage action the group that more than any.
Can take responsibility for what's happening right now in congress.
This filibuster this showdown this back and forth.
And the former top talker for the senatorial committee often at loggerheads at impasse over these issues.
The establishment vs the outside the rhino in the -- -- will do it all when we come back.
And those are two people who lost senate races that's Ted Stevens.
Former Republican senator from Alaska.
And Christine O'Donnell who wanted to be a senator from Delaware but wasn't both of them we're not very good at running for the senate the last time that they did.
-- but one of them was backed by outside conservative groups together was backed by the Republican senatorial establishment.
And both have contributed to Republicans -- saying.
Five seats five seats in the United States senate in the last five years it's not been a good run.
For the party who's got the answer.
Probably one of these two people for at least we hope so I want you to meet we you know look let's do what you know first you know Brian Walsh and say hi Brian.
Going to be -- okay he is a former communications director around.
For the National Republican Senatorial Committee that was led by Texas senator -- was led and is still led by John Cornyn from Texas.
He is in New York native but he loves America.
And sorry -- this Tomlinson.
And by let's see what else can we say but you -- work for Bob Barr.
I work for a lot of conservatives accident my first job actually remembers internship in Washington -- -- their advantage.
Wow OK and you did work for about -- you don't put that on the bottom I work for a number of yeah.
You don't I don't I -- -- the -- case you've got you've got you've got out before anybody went to prison okay Dan Fowler has not been to prison right.
That's not in the bio none of them are gonna do now you're willing to admit -- dollars a communications director for heritage action for America.
And so inherited -- Heritage Foundation.
-- today and this is a favorite topic of the political press in DC right now The Heritage Foundation used to be.
And did the preeminent think tank on the right it was the intellectual underpinning for the Reagan administration etc.
Made a move.
A few years ago to get into the pack.
To the political action side of things raising money spending money playing in races.
Jim dement former Republican senator from South Carolina.
Came aboard and has accelerated that -- -- You speak on behalf and what are we what should what else should we say did you ever work in the senate.
Now now -- heritage and Harry Jackson from the very beginning so -- -- it so like Brian my first internship in Washington was at heritage I just -- exactly I got an idea today.
Brian Walsh wrote a piece for US news that basically said.
-- you you -- it would set.
Well -- -- two things and I think what's happening right now is very unfortunate.
Curious as you said started as the it's for years has been -- respected intellectual backbone.
For the conservative movement and has -- a lot of -- who tried would have had welfare reform it wasn't for the Kurdish foundation.
Unfortunately over the last two years -- transformed itself into a political campaign committee that is simply attacking Republicans.
And that's why weren't we're not talking about this week are the Democrats who voted for obamacare a lot of whom are up for reelection next here we're not focusing on them.
Okay so in the question for you it's.
Is what's wrong with the Republican Party did you guys think that that's what needs to be fixed first before you deal with them so let me take a step back here -- challenge the premise that both you and Brian -- out in that -- it is no longer -- intellectual leader.
Of the right I think your hard pressed to find another organization out there that has the policy research that has the expertise that has the knowledge base on all the issues that confront our country will -- -- I will say.
Rounds it was just hear from AE IA EI it's sort of stole them and I don't want to get into how you guys still do policy research you guys are still have that.
That's still a big part and you don't even speak for that -- you're you're the actions correct right so you're not even allowed to look at going to be off the -- the problem I would just say.
Eight eEye guys stepped in to -- a lot of that -- about that the conservative think tank.
My question though is practically speaking.
For Republicans so somebody like.
Both sides can take some blame and what's happened in the Republican Party in the last five years in the senate.
No doubt and we showed two examples at the top Christine O'Donnell.
And Ted Stevens both of those -- bad and it's probably ought not have been running when they were running but they both had outside help.
What's the way through things.
I think -- -- -- understood is that -- charity Jackson a bunch of other folks we're not an arm of the Republican Party we never happen.
Reagan was mad at -- hw was menace W was menace Tom DeLay and -- the side of the -- for crying out -- we have never been an arm of the Republican Party were on a seemingly conservative.
And we'll go ahead and push conservative ideas and the attacks that Brian -- and I find this fascinating because what Harry Jackson did was -- over the August recess and into September.
A hundred Republican members -- congress.
You had stand up and defund obamacare and I don't know about you guys the last Friday I saw bush or Republicans holding a press conference saying hey we just voted defund obamacare they respond to their constituents -- -- -- But -- -- that's what's gonna happen in the senate.
Brian Walsh is that Ted Cruz having -- the floor.
In it -- the Internet excited the conservative base.
Mitch McConnell did something a lot of people didn't think he was going to do it came out and openly defied.
-- -- -- openly defied Ted Cruz and said not only in my voting for cloture on this thing is American a filibuster a bill that I like he said.
But also because it doesn't serve any purpose.
How many people are gonna vote with Mitch McConnell today in -- I think you're gonna see a lot of Republicans step of the road looked.
I have a lot of respect interest in what he's doing and he has a lot of friends work forum.
I respect what he's doing right now but unfortunately this is the mentality.
That what you said at the top of the show cost Republicans -- senate seats last two cycles this is the mentality.
That paves the way for Bill Clinton's reelection in 1986 we had a -- to Republicans shut down the government.
And I would just I would I would just -- -- -- one other point.
Curious may still happen for so I'm not attacking them on simply informing people what -- little -- little bubble but it will look they're the ones running attack ads against Republicans.
Encouraging Republicans to defund obamacare is not an attack -- if there was an attack get they would have held a press conference.
Lauding the fact that -- disorders obamacare it just doesn't stand up Brian what you know -- When you're not spending a dollar against the Democrats who voted for obamacare it's very fair to question what your motives are given -- You're running ads against Glendale homers in North Carolina had not against Kay Hagan who was the deciding vote and obamacare I don't understand what that we can't.
Ted Cruz made a really good point last night and -- was last night may was 2 o'clock -- -- -- -- -- -- but it's really hard to put pressure -- red -- Democrats in the Republican Party is -- In what we saw in the house was exactly right they realize their constituents want to defund obamacare they cast that vote in what you saw from majority leader cantor at that press conference.
He ticked off those red state Democrats.
That's where the pressure was that's where was heading into the senate but what happened.
People step back they try to game this out say well we can't do this or that and they split the Republican Party -- now there's no pressure on them I was on the radio for different stations across North Carolina.
Beating up on Kay Hagan that's where we want the fight to date and not be able Mitch McConnell but.
As Chris pointed out he separated himself from Ted -- on this.
I will just say this Harry Reid and the Democrats NTS to -- you love what you guys are doing.
You're attacking Republicans and not the folks who actually implement -- that's -- -- so here's a question and I and this is what I think.
Republicans want and so -- right there isn't the difference between conservatives and Republicans.
There is a concern -- among Republican conservatives conservatives who are Republicans.
They are not winning all the seats that they should in both directions they're missing moderate seats because of you guys.
They're missing conservative seats because of your former guys that the -- RS say.
Is there a way.
And you don't have outside people playing as much -- -- going to be basically the new model for what we do in primaries in the Republican Party what the Republican Party doesn't primaries.
Which is going to be what let it.
And if we didn't -- outside folks playing in Brian would have had Charlie Crist and the senate.
Now -- confirm -- rubio would not been there and ended it -- -- also ahead over the now Michael castle.
I mean go down the list we -- -- Jane -- in Colorado we have lost five seats it's simple math we've lost five seats in the senate because of bad general election candidates and look.
My point aired -- you don't need to worry about what I say -- -- a Republican is concerned about the party.
You need to be worried about the house Republicans who no longer allowing -- -- to their meetings because you guys -- attacking the folks you're relying on to advance conservative.
-- yes I want to answer that but I I want you to tell me this -- -- what I need to know to do my job and that's of course what matters here but.
-- priorities what I wanna know as.
So let's say the -- -- back.
And says so they get the Bill Duke crews.
And non buster what it did the lengthy speech that I delivered by senator cruise is over soon.
The vote takes place and come Monday as you about that would say it's back to the house.
What are you guys gonna say about what comes back will you hold it against members that vote in favor of the stripped out sent back version.
Coming your asking about a hypothetical we don't know I mean they could be an awakening people might realize that hey I can't go for cloture because my constituents don't want that but let's let's play let's play let's play and your hypothetical and say the American people don't have a voice -- -- Sure yes I mean this is what really comes down to other senators gonna listen their constituents or not.
And that's really where this debate is whether Washington is smarter than their constituents -- the house people that let's say that what Mitch McConnell said is true that this ends up in the lap of the house.
With the obamacare part -- that possibly.
And if you were to get a clean bill back to the house from the senate.
They didn't and clean is not I don't mean that in a positive or negative sense but it doesn't have anything -- it but current funding.
Through November if that goes back to the house how would you guys treat that I think house Republicans should insist on -- -- -- they weren't elected to rubber stamp whatever Harry Reid sent over.
And you can guarantee that whatever is being passive -- is going to be with majority Democrat votes that's not something a Republican House to take up and that's so if there is so if they vote yea.
And and do it you hold it against them in their primaries.
And if they vote no obvious that the right we don't actually engage in primaries this may be something that Brian has missed along the way we never have so I mean is there's this assault -- out there that's that's what brought me this is a huge problem here because some people don't get a minute that we wanna give it we have a minute left.
I want to give you guys -- thirty seconds Brenda.
I think Ted Cruz is filibuster of delay in what everyone to call it is a great example of how important winning the majority as.
Because he's on the floor.
We don't have control of the senate and that's -- elections matter you change policy that winning elections not through fundraising appeals.
-- at last -- You can't inspire the American people if you have putting forward policy alternatives and that's what we saw in 2012 there is no reason to the American people to go out and vote for the Republican Party it's a sad fact they were inspired in front of you need to have good principled policies.
If you're gonna inspire them and attract new voters because -- your own voters don't like the party.
There's absolutely no way here to attract new voters so it's still on I think that's what we can basically say is that -- that it is still being -- and Ted Cruz is still bringing it on the senate floor.
He's wrapping up there we're wrapping up here because it's time for us to -- we're glad you made some time -- -- -- we were gonna get to a bunch of your -- I'm sorry I've been posing new Internet I'm sorry.
But this was too good that it was too important so I did it.
I'm sorry I'll do I'll do right by you tomorrow I promise.
And we will be back tomorrow with more excellence from god knows where but we will be there in his hands.
And on the hunt with Jonathan Hunt is up next and now as we like to do every day.
Whoever's filibustering or not.
A word from our French -- -- I mean talk about the ham handed diplomacy Obama's conducted in Syria and over this I mean it's not a big issue but it -- assembled.
That's how I'm playing and how sort of the desperate does Obama has is Obama's attempt to appear to be the statesman so his handshake is often handshake is refused.
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