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Just because you don't.
Like a law that was passed and found constitutional.
And because you don't like the idea of giving people new access to a -- health care.
What kind of ideas that.
And that is President Obama speaking even as we speak at Prince George's County community college in suburban Washington DC.
And he thinks Ted Cruz is wrong.
That is not breaking news but this is -- -- Hi Internet welcome from the Russell rotunda.
-- the United States senate office building.
And with us is one Charles hurt.
He is in fact a columnist for The Washington Times.
Once upon a time stalk these halls of the Capitol Hill reporter when you had a more reputable living this yes quite settled in with your frustration you get in the in the front door and that's just here and that's just -- they also notes Nelson also sequestered your work pants and let you.
-- -- You know who is not a bit sequestered and is elegant and excellent as ever.
Is AB Stoddard of the hill -- AB can you hear us.
She -- and being.
I'm -- my work pants.
You are in -- one can't hear me that's good.
No I can -- you.
Yeah he's not going to be a long was because that we're going to be doing a shot with maybe this was a bait and switch and I -- but I.
A -- -- and that and I'm having the every morning that I get an awful.
AB in the courts of the District of Columbia insist on this arrangement.
-- -- I thought.
So maybe there's -- question for you.
And the president has says he's been spent six months and urging people to sign up for his help.
And he's going today to focus on the base in his base college students and Prince George's County Maryland and New Hampshire that he won by.
Right equally right by four by three to one.
In 2012 and 2008.
Well as you know on enrollment the last six months of starts punches Jack for one ends on March 31.
And -- the administration is anticipating the human nature will dictate people.
To put it off into the last minute price wait until March to sign up.
Heavy participation in a Roman early on particularly from the young and healthy.
In order to keep the insurance.
-- companies onboard that we have.
A fair price.
In the pool for coverage especially to the newly insured so if we have only sick people rushing and next week -- exchanges and none of the young and healthy.
The prices for everyone are gonna go up the administration is really hell bent on trying to make sure that they get -- Two million young and -- consumers and to balance out the risk in the pools as early as possible.
Now if you look at the enticement in terms of numbers we've heard a lot about some people being able in different parts of the country.
A single young healthy.
Person you know maybe being able after tax credits it.
To pay you know up to 89 to a 120 dollars a month.
That is still going to be something if they have been on their parents' insurance in this is a brand new thing.
And they don't make a good living wage that's going to be hard for the underpaid because the non compliance -- annually is only nine -- five dollars.
Bucks would have been real money -- a young power play just starting out at the Wheeling news register.
Charles hurt question.
This -- did the president turn into a salesman for at now why is the president feel so -- I mean I understand AB's argument.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That for these folks.
That the president wants to get into the insurance market.
The success of the overall concept.
There coming in and not waiting out in paying the fine.
And I will also point out Internet.
That under the new rules starting October 1 insurance company has to give you returns no matter what it would be like you would call Geico after you -- her car.
So there's even in that -- -- -- but did you expect to see Barack Obama selling insurance.
Well I mean truthfully that's been the target this from the very they're very I get the petard since the beginning and has -- fact that on this -- Who is being voiced about this to talk.
The American people stories and and liberty deaths liberties being part of play what did they have been playing liberty yet but we're we're -- on Obama's part.
But it is nobody did -- I am so glad you could come if they think that if a complete disaster.
And and it ended the idea that nobody saw this coming I guess is proof that either they do they really didn't read the bill -- they -- it.
Or they didn't really think that the consequences.
Obviously what you're gonna wind up with is the sicker people you're getting as signing up first and obviously.
The people that are going to be punished the most are people that are.
Either responsible about their health.
More responsible about making sure that they have -- begin with.
And but it it's it's kind of the -- that the perverted way government always to -- whenever he gets him involved in.
In major feel like it's that you want to punishing the that the people that that are our planners and savers and and and and it and it fails to and it rewards people for bad.
Maybe you know who -- saw this it's hard with Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton had a health plan that said the sick people -- come and they will explode the insurance coverage for you have to have done done done a mandate is the if you have to have a mandate to compel individuals to.
Buy insurance and Barack Obama said you can't force people might forget to make it attractive he ended up going with a mandate why its network.
Well I think everyone's really hypocritical on the mandate because it was once a conservative idea perhaps of inheritance -- -- -- The mandate is the only way the insurance company.
Can really actually carry out you know a realistic plan to cover everybody including the second people with preexisting condition so.
You know out of Barack Obama was squeezed into a fight with his base about whether or not he would.
Pursue a public option for health care or mandated -- -- picking -- mandate.
It is going to be a messy process and I think one of the political.
Aspects of of the political debate that's really going to be a problem for involvement and participation early on in this sort of PR campaign that they Obama and -- are launching.
Is this debate over the government shut down because as you hear more more -- an argument from Republicans about.
Putting that individual mandate off for a year and letting that the individual have the same waiver that businesses were permitted this summer.
To not to not have to do this for an entire year.
You're gonna have you're gonna have a real debate in the public -- -- people saying why are they trying to put -- this mandate why should I be mandated Republicans are saying.
We should get another year and it's gonna put the administration I think in a very tough position.
They've given a man that they've given away or for the -- to business why not for the individual.
The anxious consumer out there at the same time can you imagine if they put a delay on that mandate.
Prices are going to skyrocket.
I imagine John Boehner is going to be making some of those very points in about the next 72 hours -- he pitches it to Republicans.
And certainly they're gonna try that AB.
We are so glad that you made time for us and I'm so glad that you in the courts have been satisfied by respectful of their busy reviewing -- -- I'll be at the rotunda next time I -- Right we thank you -- And Charlie I'm not going to read all of the chats like the one about how your hair looks particularly nutty professor like today.
I will however say Texas I didn't make a provided no make that this is Charlie on -- -- out.
This is Texas paused as this.
If you want to truly see how Obama -- point to work.
And put that in quotes.
Just look at the current VA system there is a minimum of a thirteen month backlog the government deciding what treatment -- means that what the doctor recommends.
And win the money runs out like this security who is going to pay for all of this.
The idea a talking point Republicans had back in the day during this law was you that they can't even run the post office.
Time -- middle let him run health care.
The Republicans have have certainly made no.
Small effort to point out problems with the law.
But they are manifest right I mean that's not just -- thing that Republicans made up politically right.
No I know I mean you can imitation why were you when you read these stories and you and him in the very specific stories.
About what is happening to people's premiums in various -- their wills it's and when you talk to people.
Who -- really being laid off their jobs and and and and employers who recently cutting their workforce.
Because they want to get below the the number that we -- at which they have to provide health insurance.
It you know these are -- these are real stories.
And it's not made -- I think and shut the government down on Tuesday.
IA -- you know no way if if if if it was only Democrats in congress and and and it is.
-- -- 500 and we're out of it right.
Work all Democrats and an end and and Barack Obama was in the in the White House and ended Democrats and Obama decided to shut the government down.
Republicans would find a way to get blamed for up -- and so I I hope they don't I what did you -- -- these -- usually don't -- well.
For -- -- okay well this -- going to end well.
And when we come back we will talk with a great expert on this who knows perhaps even more than Paris pool and and who may know even more than Charlie about the subject.
When we come back -- -- Is Mike Emanuel who normally covers.
The congress in -- United States where the venerable and S mobile Fox News Channel on regular television.
But this is -- fight.
And we don't do it regular bike.
And since Mike is in between hits right now and we're having -- -- giving him a decent interlude in my we've come over and join us over here.
They look for it because.
We are making a new home for the Internet.
At well on the record with Greta -- that's -- if you want to be technical.
But since -- making new home for the and that we're over here and there were essentially we've been crashing your -- other.
You don't have to say that.
You're not like to -- regret this tomorrow they really doing well Charlie's gonna do an omelet station I guess he really good backgrounds.
But like the Burger King I'd like Germans for the fifth fifth fifth at -- vacant again all right so we wanted to ask you.
Competing narratives as is usual but this time the competing narratives are coming from within the Republican Party.
About what happens over the next four -- five days -- so.
Basically the track hey it is senate is going to pass to stripped down version of the house bill which takes -- the component that -- -- obamacare.
Then what happens is the -- -- it to the house sometime Saturday and and the house is going to swallow hard.
And pass out that same version back to the senate to avert a government -- kind of on the government to win.
Well there's some talk.
You know that this senate bill would go through November 15 right there's some talk that house they wanna just do it two weeks to link it up with the debt -- how come there's no discussion.
And -- you may -- Charlie how come there's no discussion as it relates to going any longer than November 15 happening aren't even try to go to the end of the year.
And I think -- it's because the two sides are so far apart that they just can't -- admit that they're the best that they can hope for is some sort of stopgap measure.
You know it took to to get some -- market.
-- And is that out there and had as the debt ceiling factor into that of the house was saying it initially December 15 and Harry Reid said November 15 and now there's talk -- -- maybe -- linked it up with the debt ceiling because we wanna get.
If you're of the house Republicans we -- -- get the White House to negotiate with us and so if you like these two up.
Then there you go they may have to come to the table and and accept something and the way it's -- the way it's set up now as Jacqueline treasury secretaries at the sixteenth of October as the drop dead date.
Basically saying the federal government will reach the debt ceiling and means different things depending on your political persuasion.
But none of them are deemed good things.
We're out of money right exactly we're out again and again exactly I've got a couple little updates for you did well yeah I think one.
Joseph -- West Virginia Democrat -- and death at an event this morning that he would accept.
A one year delay of the obamacare individual -- and move as Florida Dade CR as part of the government funding bills so.
That's making some news that just confirm that with his office.
And that's a really Smart area if if Republicans want to exploit some of the some of the unpopularity of the of the bill.
That's a great area to -- attendants have -- And it's also by the way -- for the president because it doesn't hurt him a bit.
Yet makes the law but it's it.
As we've talked about in the first segment it's not like -- mandate is working.
If the presidency has to go to Prince George's County today to encourage people to sign up it's not like they're beating the doors down.
To escape the mandate so maybe that's something with a low political cost.
Or -- low practical.
Cost to the administration they can get in the political went.
In the second item is that Harry Reid this cemetery leader on the floor today said he'd like to vote business today.
On the continuing resolution -- check with some Republican offices and they say.
It would take -- obviously all 100 signing off which is never guaranteed by.
Ted Cruz is awake by now right is so I don't think they're going to get they call it unanimous consent and Harry Reid came out I.
I I don't -- -- -- in the north of the majority -- being disingenuous but he did you know he didn't think he did say.
That we could be voting now all 100 people would agree.
Ted Cruz who almost frustrated is going and trying to get the bill blocked I think is unlikely to vote for that right -- estimates in Atlanta I think -- to get back to work.
Mike Emanuel we've embarrass you enough we thank you thank you have a good sport but -- -- here thank you doctor Ruth.
-- we will clean up after relay thanks guys thank you Mike thank you -- okay Internet you.
You can't -- please don't anyway please stick around because when we come back one of your favorites is here Charlie sticking around and -- Andrew Napolitano his fellow columnist.
Will join us remotely.
We do not ask him to leave the bench but he'll be here to give us his ruling on this question.
What the founding fathers say about a fight to -- secret court that allows government to eavesdrop on its citizens.
I'll give you -- it is not think that Ben Franklin would be twirling in the summer so -- we'll talk about that when we come back.
So stick around.
What our founders said.
In the constitution of the United States.
They said did that and -- that the consider self evident that every man and woman that men and women were pretty.
And that is not true in any part or in holed out with Nancy Pelosi the minority leader of the House of Representatives -- the Center for American Progress.
I tell you about women's rights.
In Seneca falls a 165 years ago.
And this is power play where all men and women.
Are not created entirely equal some are more equal than others.
And Charlie hurt and I had no one more equal than us.
The judge Andrew -- Fox News -- senior legal analyst I judge.
Chris how are you I'm sure she -- she was well intended that she would flunk.
Constitutional law -- I don't know why.
I'm not that -- not ideals he added some words and got the wrong document but other than that it was not -- straight lay up shot.
-- -- We are having hearings up here on Capitol Hill today in the senate to talk about being -- -- there is bipartisan upset about.
What the government now says were accidental over reaches.
An accidental breaches but many believe has been a systematic violation.
Of American civil liberties particularly their fourth amendment rights.
You have peace today available at foxnews.com.
Where you take a look at what the constitution in the -- -- about the subject what say you -- Well the two things to say first of all these are not accidental over -- and the gathering of meta data meaning the gathering of data.
About people as to whom the government lacks any evidence of suspicion whatsoever.
It's not an accidental overreach by the NSA.
It's an intentional overreach by and and inappropriate unconstitutional.
Now the statute which -- federal judges.
On the secret -- accord signed these general warrants without any evidence that individualized suspicion as required by the constitution.
Actually creates in my view an unconstitutional court here is why.
The constitution says before that federal judiciary can do when he thing.
There must be a dispute a case or controversy judges don't exist in the abstract to say.
That's constitutional that's unconstitutional.
And we have the power to decide what to switch.
They leave the jurisdiction of the federal court can only be invoked when a -- -- as a defendant or when the government prosecutes a defendant.
So absent that case or controversy which is the absolute baseline for the invocation.
Of the jurisdiction of the federal judge.
The federal courts have no jurisdiction so two weeks ago for example Chris when a federal judge here in DC sitting on the prize a court.
Published a 25 page opinion.
About why fired up -- a court has the authority.
To authorize NSA spying and why the NSA -- Are permitted to gather data about all of our phone calls texts and emails whether there's evidence of wrongdoing on our part or not.
Her opinion meant absolutely nothing because there was nobody there to resist it.
Because it didn't come about in the context of her case or controversy.
Controversy was just our opinion of what the constitution means which is no more.
Legally valid than than men in the streets of things.
I wanna give you a chance to query the judge before we run out of time what do you want to know judge well when the argument that you hear around some although it doesn't get a whole lot of play right now.
About the fact that that well this -- -- that -- the emails.
You know that.
That that is not protected by the first amendment rights that it's you that's information that you did to the user has given that you.
A company in the company is his passing it on to become more than me walking down the street that I'm if you're in public you're doing a public that yeah.
And you know Charlie Charlie that.
-- I think that's a valid argument but that's not what we're talking about because that's not what the NSA captures.
Went -- -- first revealed that the first order that he revealed.
Which was signed by judge -- Roger Vinson was directed to Verizon.
To cough up the meta data what you're talking about.
But who made the phone call from one number two what number how long they talk to where each of them was.
That's all we thought it was Charlie but we now know -- it's not just Verizon -- everybody in the country every call in to every call out of and every call made within.
Same -- texts and -- we all now know that the NSA has captured.
Whether they listen to the content are not as they don't have the time to do that no matter how about bigger budget as they have it and and the capturing their contents.
Is the moral equivalent general search warrants which British soldiers had.
Which they got without evidence of wrongdoing and that the Fourth Amendment was expressly written to prevent.
Accident I imagine how tough the judgment on -- -- -- when you're wearing blue jeans inside it can really I -- if -- -- it's.
I can't see Charlie I love him so much aware what everyone -- -- -- -- every once in his courtroom.
Judge who knocked down here for making time for us today you're always as always of logic.
Okay Internet use your by Nintendo and show how much we love it we'll tell you that -- fell Neville.
Is an important on -- -- on the hunt coming up next guess yes and will be back tomorrow from somewhere we don't know but it will be fun I promise.
Thanks Charlie for making time for us today okay Internet as we like to do every day wherever we go.
A word from our friend Charles the other way.
I don't know where Ted Cruz was -- what he was doing.
But he arrived at the party late so few in the cast aspersions on people who followed every step of the way who opposed every.
Every year twist and turn of this obamacare along the way he ought to be a little bit humble about it.
And at least recognized the honesty and sincerity -- in the way that he did not.