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-- Gordon always good to see you thank you so much to restart those new.
Series of provocations that.
Bids involving Japan right.
Basically what China is doing is trying to take over this and conquer violence which are in the east China city.
And especially over the last year there's been many dozens of Chinese vessels going into Japanese territorial waters.
Around those islands also the Chinese have been sending their planes and drones in the Japanese airspace because they want the Japanese to give -- these islands.
And and this is really important because the Chinese force the Philippines to give a push hole last year.
And that really sort of emboldened Beijing to sort of press because they saw weakness on the part of Washington so now they're pressing the Japanese and now some Chinese policy makers are even saying that Beijing should claim open ala and the rest of the -- you -- chain which is clearly you know I think that's.
Many people in in Beijing right now some of them policy makers you see this in state media.
This is really very dangerous this is dangerous -- if in fact.
There is any sort of military force -- movement towards the island.
In the east in -- China sea services.
What should America do you.
Well the United States needs to be very clear needs to have President Obama -- not just privately but in public to the Chinese that the United States will defend these islands.
The other states doesn't take a position on who has sovereignty over the islands.
China has a week claim it's not the problem that -- -- week claim is that China is using belligerent tactics to pursuers and what are those tactics bit basically using their ships and airplanes also trying to undermine Japan.
So what we need to do is have our president say in public very clearly that the United States will defend these islands.
Back off Beijing and if we do that.
Beijing will back off but I'm not sure why why is it that simple but why do you think it's that simple bit of the president comes out publicly to back -- Beijing that it's done done -- -- well I think because the United States has overwhelming force that it can bring to bear.
In this dispute.
The Chinese don't think that we willing to do that.
And so therefore they say oh look you know Japan -- alone we can sort of see how far -- and they -- -- -- as an ally of the US.
They do but they doubt our will and that's really the problem because in Beijing right now you know you go back to receive this series of missteps on Syria.
That's having a very corrosive effect in Asia just on Monday.
A diplomat of a country which we have a treaty relationship -- we have a treaty obligation to defend them.
Is there anything that his country should learn from what happened with Syria which is basically saying look -- the United States going to come to our aid if we are attacked.
This is a striking statement for a diplomat of an ally to say to us and it's really because of what they -- with regard to Syria they were very disheartened.
And so they don't feel that the president should have enforced a military strike but there there's so many things that they believe that President Obama should have done going back to a year ago.
Which he didn't do in every single decision point he had.
He made a mistake now.
-- what I've basically said was look Syria is a very different situation than what we see in Asia because in Asia.
Really did them foreign policy responses of the US with regard to a treaty -- are big did.
And they should know that because we've been talking to them for decades about how we will defend them.
But this shows you that one mistake in another part of the world can have ramifications all over the place and the Chinese in the north Koreans are going to try -- on.
Everyone expects sometime in the next six months we're going to see a provocation of some sort.
I have a couple questions for -- One.
Talking about Syria is it putting up that it's different to us that if circumstances there you've got.
Ideology religious ideology at play.
You don't have that at play -- -- talking about Beijing in Japan you're simply talking about old fashioned war I'm gonna coming occupy your territory taken over so doesn't that make.
You know should you sort of extract that out of the equation say okay with a president didn't -- in Syria.
And and I don't know why but.
Different set of circumstances or perhaps he would be more likely to be more aggressive with the Beijing.
-- and that's the argument that I've made but the fact that the question was asked by a treaty ally of the US who we've been working with for such a long time.
Shows to me the erosion of confidence in the White House and this is very important because.
What is -- we've heard in one capital is being heard all around the region and today that the UN general assembly meeting for this past week.
That has been the buzz about the indecisiveness of American leadership and President Obama in his speech to the general assembly even said look.
You know the United States isn't -- the world's going to be worse which is an extraordinary statement for an American leader to make.
So you know that people are worried and it's not just people who you know around the world it's those who have the closest relationship with us.
Are now starting to question -- well.
And when that happens bad things happen around the world.
-- data from Texas -- from Texas is saying we should reach -- threatened China with the Red Line.
That over the fear of god Adam -- of course stricken with sarcasm but -- you know getting back to -- you're saying that it seems that.
-- if Beijing is calling the bluff.
America's blood to the point of all the president has to do -- -- back -- Beijing it's going to be that simple.
Then kind of why are they doing -- why -- they need the president to say that publicly well I think we needed to say it because the Chinese believe that the United States is afraid of China.
But I'm saying it is that simple been.
-- -- -- do I didn't say why -- he do it but also be that's kind of easy for the president to come on think back of Beijing that -- done that's simple but why they've been doing this well I think the problem.
Is that the White House -- understands the way the Chinese think.
You know we have this notion which is not just this administration but also the last one.
That if you irritate the Chinese things are going to be worse and that what we need to do is try to integrate them into the international system and so therefore we sort of tolerate unacceptable conduct.
Alicia how little fingers or your words how would things be worse if you irritate the Chinese.
Well the feeling is that they'll just sort of get puffy and -- and that they will then do things that they otherwise wouldn't -- -- but that's not.
Well like trying to take over other -- -- or whatever.
You know the Chinese threatened nuclear war all the time on the United States to incinerate Los Angeles which is periodically they do.
And we never say anything about it and the Chinese think.
That we are -- now I believe that they -- comprehend American well and that's happened so many times throughout history where.
Belligerents have looked at the US and said oh we don't have to worry about that.
But the point is you can have situations spiral out of control when people start to doubt the will of the United States.
Let's talk about that because you've been there is the public opinion and a lot of Americans don't want any sort of military aggression that would involve.
Our manpower are men and women there -- men and women bear on the ground so called boots on the ground so how do you.
How do you sort of threatened a military -- that's going to be just sort of surgical in limited.
And maybe your may not do anything I mean if if you gonna make a threat and say hey we're big bad USA and don't mess with us.
That it put that full military force behind it -- Think -- we certainly do and you know that's the problem with Syria and that is that people can't -- an -- game to us but the situation nation is much different.
Because here you have treaty allies of the US.
Last year we allowed the Chinese to take territory from one of our allies which we have an obligation to defend.
And that's why the Chinese since thinking that there is no will left -- -- why didn't we defend that.
I think it was a complex reasons part of it was people in the Pentagon for instance thought -- that is you know the Philippines deserves it because they kicked us out of the Clark -- -- bases.
-- -- fifteen years ago.
I'm so I think that essentially the military was not willing to use their assets to protect the Philippines which is a real mistake because everyone thought the Chinese would go away so what do they do they -- -- up the pressure on this and caucus.
And what we -- seeing right now is an emboldened Beijing believing that it can push us around because they -- and unless you can better.
Prepared to defend itself and in the Philippines much better in Japan probably has the best navy in Asia yet so wouldn't that make Beijing really think twice about really doing that.
I think that it probably will but really it's not so much the military assets because we're so much more powerful -- Japan and the Chinese don't respect us.
And the reason is that we are you know they they may be they'll be more willing to need to pay income -- -- to back off -- -- -- it.
Yeah they hear from us -- our navy yes and and I think that what we've seen on the part of the Japanese response.
Really has been the challenge these territorial incursions by the Chinese.
And the Japanese political establishment right now is united in making sure they protect their territory so it's really just a question well it doesn't matter how many aircraft carriers you have.
It's the thinking in Beijing right now and they believe that we do not have the will to defend our allies in this thing in Syria did.
Can help yeah yeah.
We can keep going but we have we have to limit theory rip limited time I've just gonna read this check from beginning to 323 he's as aggressive China question mark money talks.
Are any Gordon Chang author of nuclear showdown North Korea takes on the world always a pleasure to talk to you appreciate your -- -- --
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